The dire wolfs of Ecclesiastes

[oak]

Spent quite some time of my life pondering about the verses of Ecclesiastes which refer to the non-possibility of extinction of anything created by God ( call it whatever you want, Universe, Dao, etc. )

When the film Jurassic Park came out I have pondered if genetic re-creation would be the way...

Well...

It seems dire wolfs are back 🥳

 

[Taomeow]

The puppies are adorable but they are not dire wolf, contrary to the way the story has been presented by the MSM.  In reality they are a novel hybrid, and possibly -- just possibly -- a novel breed (assuming they are able to mate with each other, which remains to be seen.)  20 gray wolf genes were edited and dire wolf DNA inserted toward this modification, so they are genetically modified gray wolves with some dire wolf phenotypical features derived from those inserts.

     

It reminds me of something...  something about breeding some other species out of the wolf...  don't we call it a dog? 

  

Meow.  

[oak]

36 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

The puppies are adorable but they are not dire wolf, contrary to the way the story has been presented by the MSM.  In reality they are a novel hybrid, and possibly -- just possibly -- a novel breed (assuming they are able to mate with each other, which remains to be seen.)  20 gray wolf genes were edited and dire wolf DNA inserted toward this modification, so they are genetically modified gray wolves with some dire wolf phenotypical features derived from those inserts.

     

It reminds me of something...  something about breeding some other species out of the wolf...  don't we call it a dog? 

  

Meow.  

 

Ii get it. I see it as some version of an old Ford model, something still experimental. It gives me hope though 💚

[Taomeow]

1 minute ago, oak said:

 

Ii get it. I see it as some version of an old Ford model, something still experimental. It gives me hope though 💚

 

I suspect this already happened to our species in the distant past.   We have a lot going on in our genome that's hard to explain otheriwise.  E.g., 

Chromosome 2 Fusion: Two ape chromosomes (2A and 2B) fused into one big one in humans.  No one knows why.

Centromere Shifts: Centromeres moved a bit on chromosomes like 1, 3, and 11 and no one knows how or what for.

Pericentric Inversions: Flipped sections on chromosomes 1, 7, and 10.  It's like parts of chromosomes doing somersaults and flipping backward.  No one knows the reason. 

Shorter Telomeres: Our chromosome end-caps are shorter than in apes.  This means accelerated aging.  

More Heterochromatin: Extra packed DNA on chromosomes 1, 9, 16, and Y.  This means we have a larger amount of non-coding DNA (scientists call it "junk DNA" -- it may or may not be junk but it has no known function and we have way more of it than our closest evolutionary relatives.)   

Shrunk Y Chromosome: Our Y is smaller and leaner than in other primates.  This one is in charge of sex determination.  Compared to the Y chromosome of other primates with their much more developed and functional counterpart, in humans it's stripped down to bare essentials. 

To name a few which make me suspect we've been GMO from the get-go.  And those ancient alien geneticists don't seem to have been any more ethical than our modern ones.  Any and all GM modifications are designed to serve the modifiers, not the species subjected to them.  The meddling entities only want to find out whether they can -- not whether they should.

[oak]

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

 

I suspect this already happened to our species in the distant past.   We have a lot going on in our genome that's hard to explain otheriwise.  E.g., 

Chromosome 2 Fusion: Two ape chromosomes (2A and 2B) fused into one big one in humans.  No one knows why.

Centromere Shifts: Centromeres moved a bit on chromosomes like 1, 3, and 11 and no one knows how or what for.

Pericentric Inversions: Flipped sections on chromosomes 1, 7, and 10.  It's like parts of chromosomes doing somersaults and flipping backward.  No one knows the reason. 

Shorter Telomeres: Our chromosome end-caps are shorter than in apes.  This means accelerated aging.  

More Heterochromatin: Extra packed DNA on chromosomes 1, 9, 16, and Y.  This means we have a larger amount of non-coding DNA (scientists call it "junk DNA" -- it may or may not be junk but it has no known function and we have way more of it than our closest evolutionary relatives.)   

Shrunk Y Chromosome: Our Y is smaller and leaner than in other primates.  This one is in charge of sex determination.  Compared to the Y chromosome of other primates with their much more developed and functional counterpart, in humans it's stripped down to bare essentials. 

To name a few which make me suspect we've been GMO from the get-go.  And those ancient alien geneticists don't seem to have been any more ethical than our modern ones.  Any and all GM modifications are designed to serve the modifiers, not the species subjected to them.  The meddling entities only want to find out whether they can -- not whether they should.

 

A lot to dive into. Thanks for sharing all the info. Indeed interesting stuff.

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, oak said:

 

Ii get it. I see it as some version of an old Ford model, something still experimental. It gives me hope though 💚

 

You see them as a version of an old Ford  ? ? ?    .... oh wait , I get it   ;  

 

 

[oak]

9 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

You see them as a version of an old Ford  ? ? ?    .... oh wait , I get it   ;  

 

 

 

The motor seems overheated...

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

 

I suspect this already happened to our species in the distant past.   We have a lot going on in our genome that's hard to explain otheriwise.  E.g., 

Chromosome 2 Fusion: Two ape chromosomes (2A and 2B) fused into one big one in humans.  No one knows why.

Centromere Shifts: Centromeres moved a bit on chromosomes like 1, 3, and 11 and no one knows how or what for.

Pericentric Inversions: Flipped sections on chromosomes 1, 7, and 10.  It's like parts of chromosomes doing somersaults and flipping backward.  No one knows the reason. 

Shorter Telomeres: Our chromosome end-caps are shorter than in apes.  This means accelerated aging.  

More Heterochromatin: Extra packed DNA on chromosomes 1, 9, 16, and Y.  This means we have a larger amount of non-coding DNA (scientists call it "junk DNA" -- it may or may not be junk but it has no known function and we have way more of it than our closest evolutionary relatives.)   

Shrunk Y Chromosome: Our Y is smaller and leaner than in other primates.  This one is in charge of sex determination.  Compared to the Y chromosome of other primates with their much more developed and functional counterpart, in humans it's stripped down to bare essentials. 

To name a few which make me suspect we've been GMO from the get-go.  And those ancient alien geneticists don't seem to have been any more ethical than our modern ones.  Any and all GM modifications are designed to serve the modifiers, not the species subjected to them.  The meddling entities only want to find out whether they can -- not whether they should.

 

 

'Junk DNA'  is like most junk  ... can;t figure out what it is for , or think of a way of recycling it ? ... its junk !   'Junk'  (  'Non-coding' ) DNA is like the systems in your car ;   all the components we can observe   functioning and understand  are like  'regular DNA'   but   how they function, when they 'run' or not and which other parts of the system they interact with , that's  the 'junk' DNA .  If you have climate control , all the mechanics of it are regular DNA , but its operation is junk DNA , if you don't have climate control , the same , but you are the junk  . 

 

... here is another thing ; there are all these traits that seem , in my observation (although some argue strongly against it )  it seems some of us come here  with certain  traits and , at least, proclivities . In some cases it seems certain they are not   developed from environment  and are not considered inherited genetically , yet .... there is a mass of DNA inside us that we don't understand  ..... yet that cant be responsible for inheritance of things we don't think are genetically inherited  ?    

 

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Edited Tuesday at 09:26 PM by Nungali

[Nungali]

1 minute ago, oak said:

 

The motor seems overheated...

 

It comes with its own cooling system,  don't worry if it drips water  , but remember to keep the water  topped up . 

 

 

[oak]

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

 

 And those ancient alien geneticists don't seem to have been any more ethical than our modern ones.  Any and all GM modifications are designed to serve the modifiers, not the species subjected to them.  The meddling entities only want to find out whether they can -- not whether they should.

 

No faith in the gods, "as above so bellow" in a bad way. 

[Taomeow]

4 minutes ago, oak said:

 

No faith in the gods, "as above so bellow" in a bad way. 

 

I am theistic the taoist way -- and I would probably hold similar ideas about gods if I was an ancient Roman or Greek or Sumerian, or a modern Hindu.  Meaning, to us, gods can be good, bad or neutral toward humans.  There's all kinds.  There's no generic god or gods, they are specific.  Some are rather compassionate and kind, some are ill-tempered, irresponsible, or cruel. 

But I'm not sure our designers were gods at all.  Not even sure they were demiurges.  They may have been some kind of CEO or generals employing genetic scientists.  There's one version I know from someone who presented himself as one of the reptilian aliens that's pretty fascinating.  According to him, among other things, humans were of interest to several warring species of aliens and one of them bred us (not the modern version of us but what we used to be before) into supersoldiers to fight their wars for them.  Which is why there's a bunch of advanced alien species out there that hate us -- it's a little like hating some race for the crimes of its ancestors, not very logical but it happens.  So those in particular don't have anything but our worst nightmares planned for us, but they believe they're in the right because those supersoldiers were apparently horrible to their ancestors...

 

It's a long story though.   

[oak]

2 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

 

It's a long story though.   

 

Thanks for clarifying your views.

[Lairg]

3 hours ago, Taomeow said:

Any and all GM modifications are designed to serve the modifiers, not the species subjected to them.  The meddling entities only want to find out whether they can -- not whether they should.

 

The Sumerian accounts are bit more complex.  For example Enlil only wanted slave humans while Enki loved the humans he had made and improved them beyond what the brief required

 

Apparently the improved human format was then suitable for the incarnation of more profound spirits

 

It may be that many alien species contributed DNA to the current human format - each hoping thereby to make the humans more compatible with the agenda of those aliens.

 

The British did the same in India, deliberately encouraging their troops to take local wives - with the resultant Anglo-Indians to be used in managing the country.

 

The current human format is quite desirable as it can be sensitized to many planes of Existence.  This is indicated by the Kabbalistic Tree of Life fitting neatly on the human - revealing a cosmic antenna.

 

 

[NorthWide]

I think huManity tries to do these things perioDically until it gets shut down. Take for example the wooly mammoth and such and attempts to clone one.

 

As a result of some of it, nicotiNe genes added to our corn crops haVe Been found oVer a great length of time to cauSe Cancer in bees.  Some of tHe geNetic Creations do that. EVeNtually it will open the dialouge about whether geNetic modifiCations respeCts life. But, only wHen people haVe to faCe the consequenCes. Apparently people haVe to be reaDy for things.

 

Plastic when ingested leads to bisphenol toxicity whiCh leads to cogNitiVe decliNe and in extreme Cases death. PubMed.

 

Discussion of tHis just reMinds me how much science in some of its extremes has disregarded life. Obviously my conCern is for life.

 

The wolf thing was a two edged sword. Yes they are dogs geNetically.  HoweVer, the result of saving them did lead to some interestiNg results which were Not what was expeCted. Humans sometiMes, most times do not think of outcomes or results of their deeply felt whims.

 

Take disrespect for example. Dialougue isn't always about fruit. However, if you're hard coDed to making everything about fruit, its grapes. 😂

Edited Wednesday at 11:15 AM by NorthWide

[Taomeow]

On 4/8/2025 at 11:49 AM, Taomeow said:

 

It reminds me of something...  something about breeding some other species out of the wolf...  don't we call it a dog? 

  

 

Turns out I was right.  Why are the new puppies white?  Well, based on the two direwolf DNA samples used, the creators hypothesized there's a chance they were -- the coat gene appeared to have been producing pale fur.  Yet, white Arctic Wolves are brown as puppies and change to white only later, while these were born white.  Turns out the geneticists had to use white dog DNA instead of the white  gene in wolves, because if they used the wolf's white gene, the puppies could have been blind and deaf. 

My conclusion: this is a new hybrid doggie.  Likely to wind up in some wealthy bastard's personal zoo.  (There are more tigers in Texas than in India...)  

[old3bob]

 

Read something about a GM grain that even cockroach's knew better than to eat!

(had built in bug poison)

Edited Thursday at 03:04 PM by old3bob

[oak]

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

 

Turns out I was right.  

My conclusion: this is a new hybrid doggie.  Likely to wind up in some wealthy bastard's personal zoo.  (There are more tigers in Texas than in India...)  

 

I wish you weren't 🙂. Anyway, maybe time traveling import will bring them back one day. There are infinite ways as the universe.

[Taomeow]

1 hour ago, oak said:

 

I wish you weren't 🙂. Anyway, maybe time traveling import will bring them back one day. There are infinite ways as the universe.

 

Yes, I also hope for time travel, the multiverse, reincarnating in a more pristine version of reality, something...  I would like to live when these great big things were here.  And no predator, mind you, ever drove our species to extinction (unlike the other way around), so our ancestors were likely to have known how to coexist with them.  There's some historical accounts of Native Americans having friendly relationships with wolves even in recent enough times (I'm not talking the movie, I remember a 19th century photo I've seen).  And before the habitats got devastated by "civilization," I doubt direwolves or cave lions or saber-toothed tigers had a particular need of hunting humans -- except maybe in retaliation (who knows what we did for their fur coats!)  Personally, I'd love to hang out with the great felines, but wolves are amazing too.  I hate zoos (a lifelong prison sentence has to be deserved, not unfair like this!) but in the present, there's no other way I'd ever look a wolf in the eye -- and I did once, it was just unbelievable.  So much intelligence, sadness, understanding, beauty, strength...  I swear I've never looked into more sentient or more enlightened eyes in my life.   And I've looked into the eyes of some celebrated gurus.

[oak]

33 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

 

 So much intelligence, sadness, understanding, beauty, strength...  I swear I've never looked into more sentient or more enlightened eyes in my life.   And I've looked into the eyes of some celebrated gurus.

 

Sadly, and altough I've always respected animals enough not to accept having them caged for some sadistic pleasure of the eyes, I only got my first dog two years back. Having a dog in rural England is very fulfilling. A different world from a crowded Portuguese city. Never in my life was I so close to nature. Everyday there's something new to observe and discover and you acquire a lot of wisdom if you're prone to that, with the relation human-animal.

And the oaks, of course, the oaks...

[Apech]

2 hours ago, oak said:

 

Sadly, and altough I've always respected animals enough not to accept having them caged for some sadistic pleasure of the eyes, I only got my first dog two years back. Having a dog in rural England is very fulfilling. A different world from a crowded Portuguese city. Never in my life was I so close to nature. Everyday there's something new to observe and discover and you acquire a lot of wisdom if you're prone to that, with the relation human-animal.

And the oaks, of course, the oaks...

 

Portugal is the land of a thousand yapping dogs  ... and I assume you know that sobreiros are in the same family as oak?

 

 

[Taomeow]

42 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

Portugal is the land of a thousand yapping dogs  

 

A thousand is nothing.  There's officially 500,000 dogs in San Diego.  I've never seen so many anywhere else. 

I love dogs but I would only get one if I lived somewhere rural, otherwise you're each other's prisoners, plus you're the dog's personal waste collector and I don't feel the calling.  We have Dog Beach though where all those half a million dogs are allowed to roam off leash, a very fun place.  People don't swim in the ocean there, dogs do.  I sometimes go there to play with other people's dogs.

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

Yes, I also hope for time travel, the multiverse, reincarnating in a more pristine version of reality, something...  I would like to live when these great big things were here.  And no predator, mind you, ever drove our species to extinction (unlike the other way around), so our ancestors were likely to have known how to coexist with them.  There's some historical accounts of Native Americans having friendly relationships with wolves even in recent enough times (I'm not talking the movie, I remember a 19th century photo I've seen).  And before the habitats got devastated by "civilization," I doubt direwolves or cave lions or saber-toothed tigers had a particular need of hunting humans -- except maybe in retaliation (who knows what we did for their fur coats!)  Personally, I'd love to hang out with the great felines, but wolves are amazing too.  I hate zoos (a lifelong prison sentence has to be deserved, not unfair like this!) but in the present, there's no other way I'd ever look a wolf in the eye -- and I did once, it was just unbelievable.  So much intelligence, sadness, understanding, beauty, strength...  I swear I've never looked into more sentient or more enlightened eyes in my life.   And I've looked into the eyes of some celebrated gurus.

 

Wait !  How many tigers are in Texas  ?      We don't do the 'exotic animal market' much here .  Maybe someone has a ferret or a parrot . We cant even make pets with our natives  ( although I don't see the point personally , I have 'feral pets '   eg. late yesterday afternoon  I was working on a little garden project at the end of the day  and looked up ... oh, there are two pademelons watching me ....  and there is one in the drive way, and two over there behind me   -  if you carry on and ignore them they ignore you, look too long and they hop off . )

 

I saw a 'reverse zoo'   recently  - a huge outdoor area with various habitats .  You are driven in in a safari car into a shelter that opens out into a huge  cage , that people get in and then the lions are all around looking at you , coming up to the cage and standing up and leaning on it while the attendant fed them morsels of meat   ( by using long handled tongs   )   .  One person became transfixed -  just centimeters away  staring deep into  mama lions huge eyes . 

 

I remember once my elder brother came home  'charged up ' - electric .... looked like he had 'seen a ghost ' or a UFO or something . He had been out fishing on the ocean in his tiny little boat ( he was often admonished for going out on the open sea is such a small boat ) . He was fishing and 'the bottom came up '  - that's what he said it looked like ... all of a sudden the water got shallower and shallower  and stopped just under his boat , moved to the side and he realized it was a whale , it rolled over and bought its eye out of the water and eyeballed him . He said its eye was as big as a dinner plate and about as far away as one of his oars length . He said he sat there dumbfounded  looking right  into its eye and  he couldn't move . 

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, Apech said:

 

Portugal is the land of a thousand yapping dogs  ... and I assume you know that sobreiros are in the same family as oak?

 

 

 

Flag of Portugal ; 

 

 

[oak]

2 hours ago, Apech said:

 

Portugal is the land of a thousand yapping dogs  ... and I assume you know that sobreiros are in the same family as oak?

 

 

 

It seems like I still have some karmic roots to deal here with 🙂

Anyway we've been having now 4 weeks of lovely sushine...

Tropical England is fun indeed. If this keeps going I'll never leave 😉

[Taomeow]

3 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

Wait !  How many tigers are in Texas  ?   

 

Up to 5,000 is the estimate.  India has something like 3,500.

 

3 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

I remember once my elder brother came home  'charged up ' - electric .... looked like he had 'seen a ghost ' or a UFO or something . He had been out fishing on the ocean in his tiny little boat ( he was often admonished for going out on the open sea is such a small boat ) . He was fishing and 'the bottom came up '  - that's what he said it looked like ... all of a sudden the water got shallower and shallower  and stopped just under his boat , moved to the side and he realized it was a whale , it rolled over and bought its eye out of the water and eyeballed him . He said its eye was as big as a dinner plate and about as far away as one of his oars length . He said he sat there dumbfounded  looking right  into its eye and  he couldn't move . 

 

Amazing.  I wonder what was on the whale's mind.  Probably something more profound than, "I wonder if I can get a treat from this biped."

   

The wolf who kept eye contact with me for a long time -- can't tell how long -- was also centimeters away, behind bars alas, but up close.  It was incredible every which way, very large, I didn't know they are so large -- it probably weighed fifty pounds more than me, but lean, and even though the fur was very thick, I could tell it's all muscle.  The eyes seemed to glow, the color was like honey mixed with something like moonstone, and so intense.  There were two of them there, I hope they were a married couple.  The second one was pacing close behind the one that was looking at me, just throwing sideways glances, sort of keeping an eye on me.