God interacting with humans.

[Cadcam]

Suppose, as many do, that God and the devil are real. These beings and their kin interact with humans to guide and mold identity and actions. Do you suppose they would rather that one was aware of this interaction, or oblivious to it?

[Nungali]

 If I was going to suppose  'beings and their kin interacted with humans to guide and mold  identity  and actions'  I would not suppose those beings where  'God and the devil ' .... even if they were ' real ' .  

 

The devil    ?     ......

 

 

[Cadcam]

I like the story as told from the perspective of the jews, but I think it breeds superstition.  Second guessing ones own thoughts, words and deeds...but really, it fits together nicely. God is good, and the devil tests us to see if we are worthy of grace or punishment. When you compare them to Muslims, they're really quite liberal, and in the form of Christianity, rather lenient and forgiving. 

[Cadcam]

Nungali do you consider yourself to be an atheist?

[Nungali]

On 4/9/2025 at 7:57 AM, Cadcam said:

I like the story as told from the perspective of the jews, but I think it breeds superstition.  Second guessing ones own thoughts, words and deeds...but really, it fits together nicely. God is good, and the devil tests us to see if we are worthy of grace or punishment. When you compare them to Muslims, they're really quite liberal, and in the form of Christianity, rather lenient and forgiving. 

 

But why is this Old Testament  /  Jewish God   'good'   ?

 

I could list his directions to commit atrocities  and his temper tantrums, rages , etc .     all very 'human like'  ... but I am sure you know what I mean . 

[Nungali]

8 hours ago, Cadcam said:

Nungali do you consider yourself to be an atheist?

 

No . Not at all .  

 

But what I criticize .... I hope  .... should be obvious !  

 

But maybe not .... especially when I read statements like  ;   "  When you compare them to Muslims, they're really quite liberal, and in the form of Christianity, rather lenient and forgiving. "  

 

WTF ? 

[Cadcam]

You're on another page

[Neirong]

On 08.04.2025 at 9:09 PM, Cadcam said:

Do you suppose they would rather that one was aware of this interaction, or oblivious to it?

 

Meaningful interactions are only possible between beings on the same level of existence.

The natural limitations of the human mind would prove to be a barrier to comprehending things beyond.
 

There is a book, often recommended to beginners, called Jonathan Livingston Seagull, which effectively illustrates how the division between different levels of existence functions.

[Lairg]

3 hours ago, Neirong said:

Meaningful interactions are only possible between beings on the same level of existence.

 

So people that talk to plants and pets are wasting their time?

 

There was a small dog next door.  The woman said it could understand speech.  So I looked straight at the dog and just said a verb then a noun.  Immediately dog did what I said with the object I named.

 

A woman came visit me and said she was thinking of getting her hair cut.  I pointed out a nearby tree and said:  Ask the tree if you should get your hair cut.

 

A few seconds later she  was all shitty with the tree because it thought she should not.   So 6 months later the hair is still uncut.

 

The reason for not cutting is that hair has more functions than covering body parts.  The tree knew but she did not.  It was easier to let the tree tell her.

 

Perhaps the Oneness penetrates all beings and substances.  If so human can interact with other intelligences through the Oneness - far beyond what society teaches.

Edited Tuesday at 04:20 AM by Lairg

[silent thunder]

6 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

So people that talk to plants and pets are wasting their time?

 

There was a small dog next door.  The woman said it could understand speech.  So I looked straight at the dog and just said a verb then a noun.  Immediately dog did what I said with the object I named.

 

A woman came visit me and said she was thinking of getting her hair cut.  I pointed out a nearby tree and said:  Ask the tree if you should get your hair cut.

 

A few seconds later she  was all shitty with the tree because it thought she should not.   So 6 months later the hair is still uncut.

 

The reason for not cutting is that hair has more functions than covering body parts.  The tree knew but she did not.  It was easier to let the tree tell her.

 

Perhaps the Oneness penetrates all beings and substances.  If so human can interact with other intelligences through the Oneness - far beyond what society teaches.

Are you assuming you are at an elevated station above plants and mammals?

[Lairg]

9 hours ago, silent thunder said:

Are you assuming you are at an elevated station above plants and mammals?

 

Long ago I was taught:  Assume means make an ass of you and me.

 

It seems better to test assumptions by experiment.

 

 

[Nungali]

23 hours ago, Cadcam said:

You're on another page

 

I hope so .

[silent thunder]

On 4/15/2025 at 2:01 PM, Lairg said:

 

Long ago I was taught:  Assume means make an ass of you and me.

 

It seems better to test assumptions by experiment.

 

 

So you more profoundly assume that your personal experience equates to knowing beyond doubting that your senses' interpretation of the transduction process of individual perceptual apparatus input is the be all and end all of truth and objectivity and not an aproximation based on social, familial and personal conditioning and thus prone to profound bias and skew?

 

[Lairg]

11 minutes ago, silent thunder said:

So you more profoundly assume

 

What is hard to understand about:

 

On 4/16/2025 at 7:01 AM, Lairg said:

 

It seems better to test assumptions by experiment.

 

There are many metaphysical experiments that can be done with observers to check results

 

How else would Daoists operate?

 

 

[Tommy]

On 4/8/2025 at 2:09 PM, Cadcam said:

Suppose, as many do, that God and the devil are real. These beings and their kin interact with humans to guide and mold identity and actions. Do you suppose they would rather that one was aware of this interaction, or oblivious to it?

Different beings with different abilities would act with their understanding. For example, comparing humans with birds. A human would get into a car and travel to the supermarket to buy food. A bird has no knowledge of this and would not understand the actions of humans. So, a God or devil act with their knowledge and abilities that may be beyond the understanding of humans. For instance, a god may be able to see the momentum of events that produce certain outcomes while humans may not be able to see this. So, the God acts in ways that do not make sense to the human. So, would one rather be aware of this interaction or oblivious to it? Some may want to know and others may not want to know. It would depend upon the individual and their ability to understand such actions.

 

Personally, I see it as if it were possible to travel in time. If one goes to the past to prevent patient zero from spreading a deadly disease then time would correct itself. Say the time traveler stops patient zero. Then, there would be no need for the time traveler to go to the past. But, time would correct this by making a different patient zero. Thus making the time traveler necessary. Or the grandfather paradox. A person goes back in time to kill his grandfather so then he can not be born. If a person travels to the past then time would prevent him from finding his grandfather. Time would always find a way to fix things. It is something that humans would not be able to see or understanding without the ability to see such things. (Note: Only the present exist and the past is only a memory. And the future hasn't happened yet.)

 

So, is God and the devil real? It does not matter. Events would always correct itself to prove or dis-prove the idea according to that which is needed at the time. So, does Joan of Arc prove that God exist? Depends on what was needed at the time and by whom? It is a thing beyond my understanding. Story of Moses?? Is it real and does it prove supreme beings exist?? IDK.

Edited Thursday at 06:35 PM by Tommy

[Lairg]

 

I have had a couple of physical experiences of parallel timelines. 

 

It seems that parallel processing exists in Nature.   Presumably that allows more robust processes when unfolding the purpose of a cluster of universes.

 

"Parallel processing is a computing method where multiple tasks are executed simultaneously to increase speed and efficiency. It involves breaking a large problem into smaller subproblems that can be processed at the same time on different processors or cores."

 

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 09:11 PM by Lairg