Cadcam Posted April 8 Suppose, as many do, that God and the devil are real. These beings and their kin interact with humans to guide and mold identity and actions. Do you suppose they would rather that one was aware of this interaction, or oblivious to it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted April 8 If I was going to suppose 'beings and their kin interacted with humans to guide and mold identity and actions' I would not suppose those beings where 'God and the devil ' .... even if they were ' real ' . The devil ? ...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cadcam Posted April 8 I like the story as told from the perspective of the jews, but I think it breeds superstition. Second guessing ones own thoughts, words and deeds...but really, it fits together nicely. God is good, and the devil tests us to see if we are worthy of grace or punishment. When you compare them to Muslims, they're really quite liberal, and in the form of Christianity, rather lenient and forgiving. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cadcam Posted 15 hours ago Nungali do you consider yourself to be an atheist? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted 7 hours ago On 4/9/2025 at 7:57 AM, Cadcam said: I like the story as told from the perspective of the jews, but I think it breeds superstition. Second guessing ones own thoughts, words and deeds...but really, it fits together nicely. God is good, and the devil tests us to see if we are worthy of grace or punishment. When you compare them to Muslims, they're really quite liberal, and in the form of Christianity, rather lenient and forgiving. But why is this Old Testament / Jewish God 'good' ? I could list his directions to commit atrocities and his temper tantrums, rages , etc . all very 'human like' ... but I am sure you know what I mean . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted 7 hours ago 8 hours ago, Cadcam said: Nungali do you consider yourself to be an atheist? No . Not at all . But what I criticize .... I hope .... should be obvious ! But maybe not .... especially when I read statements like ; " When you compare them to Muslims, they're really quite liberal, and in the form of Christianity, rather lenient and forgiving. " WTF ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neirong Posted 3 hours ago On 08.04.2025 at 9:09 PM, Cadcam said: Do you suppose they would rather that one was aware of this interaction, or oblivious to it? Meaningful interactions are only possible between beings on the same level of existence. The natural limitations of the human mind would prove to be a barrier to comprehending things beyond. There is a book, often recommended to beginners, called Jonathan Livingston Seagull, which effectively illustrates how the division between different levels of existence functions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lairg Posted 19 minutes ago (edited) 3 hours ago, Neirong said: Meaningful interactions are only possible between beings on the same level of existence. So people that talk to plants and pets are wasting their time? There was a small dog next door. The woman said it could understand speech. So I looked straight at the dog and just said a verb then a noun. Immediately dog did what I said with the object I named. A woman came visit me and said she was thinking of getting her hair cut. I pointed out a nearby tree and said: Ask the tree if you should get your hair cut. A few seconds later she was all shitty with the tree because it thought she should not. So 6 months later the hair is still uncut. The reason for not cutting is that hair has more functions than covering body parts. The tree knew but she did not. It was easier to let the tree tell her. Perhaps the Oneness penetrates all beings and substances. If so human can interact with other intelligences through the Oneness - far beyond what society teaches. Edited 15 minutes ago by Lairg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
