Ok 2012 Mayan Prophecy Poll

[Cameron]

This is about the whole mayan prophesy about something major going down in Dec 2012. More than few poeple really think this is the end times .I don't have any opnion on the matter and am not one of these people that is eagely hoping shit happens to destroy our moderin way of life. Sure we have our problems but I like my life and the world I live in and understand challenges are are a part of growth.

 

Anyway..what's the Tao Bums feeling on this? Is this Mayan calender stuff that depicts Dec 2012 a bunch of nonsense that should be ignored or a legit cause for concern?

 

And perhaps more importantly..if there is some truth to it..would you change how you live your life with this knowledge? How would your life be different? Or would it be business as usual?

 

Or is this really related to the marijuana thread below and more a question to ask when one is high and not to be considered in a spiritual sense?

 

I mean..it seems like there are some people that appear to be intelligent who beleive this stuff.

[Cameron]

Ok, I realize some of you may not know what the hell I am talking about. In a nutshell...

 

"Most native Meso-American documents were destroyed in the early years of the Spanish occupation(Conquistadors) but a few priceless books and relics did survive the destruction, either by having been hidden by the Indians or exported back to Europe as presents for the King. The most important of these is what is called the DRESDEN CODEX, named after the town in whose library it was lodged. This strange book, inscribed with unknown hieroglyphs, was written by Maya Indians who once ruled over much of Central America, the ruins of their once great civilization littering the jungle. In 1880 a brilliant german scholar, who was working as a librarian in DRESDEN, turned his attention to this CODEX. By a process of extraordinary detective work he cracked the code of the Mayan calendar making it possible for other scholars and explorers to translate the many dated inscriptions to be found on buildings, stalae and other ancient Mayan artifacts.

 

He discovered that the DRESDEN CODE itself was concerned with astronomy providing detailed tables of lunar eclipses and other pheonomenon. These were so accurate that they put our own calendar to shame. He also found evidence for a curious "magic number" - 1,366,560 days, which could be factorised in a number of ways and which harmonised the cycle of Venus and Mars with two "yearly" cycles also used by the Maya: The sacred TZOLKIN of 260 days and the HAAB of 365 days. However, he also found that they had another system of counting the days relative to a starting date, called the Birth of Venus and now known to be August 13, 3114 BC. This calendar was divided into "months"or "uinals" of twenty days, "years" or "tuns" of 360 days, and longer periods of 7200 days called "katuns" and 144,000 days the "baktun". The number 13 was magically important and they believed that, starting from the birth of Venus, after 13 of these longest periods called "baktuns", the world would come to an end. Working from their start date this Mayan Prophecy points to a date in our own time, December 22, 2012.

[peter falk]

hmmmm.....144,000. the same number as those who will be saved according to Revelations. i still think it's crap. but even if it isn't, who cares?

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isnt it supposed to be a good thing... not so much the end of the world... sure its not the 'end of the world as we know it'? thing ....

 

anyways I should easily be enligthtened by then... I would need more time more immortality

[Cameron]

My gut feeling at this time tells me it's crap. But I have heard some people who I generally think of as somewhat intelligent who basically believe that it's real. At the end of the day am I going to live any differently than I do now even if it was true..probably not..

 

My guess is like all those Y2K people who were trying to worry everyone about the giant crash that never happened these people that say something negative will happen will have a rude awakening on Dec 23, 2012.

 

But if something positive is going to happen great..

[peter falk]

yeah. i think one fo the things that goes along with this is the approach of a giant orbit-shaking planet that by now should be visible like a second sun in the sky. yet, i see only one sun. astronomers detect no trace of this planet. it should be impossible to miss it, it's so huge. i'm starting to wonder at this point in my life if doomsayers have ever been correct.

 

i guess, if the stories of atlantis and lemuria are true, then somebody was eventually right about doomsday. in a way. i mean, we are all still here. i'd love to see winn's book on this.

[GrandTrinity]

According the Mantak Chias book Cosmic Healing 2, aftr 2012 earth will be increasingly surrounded by a photon belt. The North star will be more directly in line with our bodies. There is a potential fora great spiritual awakenin on Earth. It was not only the Mayans but also the Tibetans, Egyptians, Hindus, Native Americans and other cultures who predict this energy shift. I highly recommend this Mantak Chia book he wrote with Dirk.

 

www.dumai.org

www.pharmacratic-inquisition.com

 

Remember, it is only a potential spiritual awakening. So, it is up to us to satisfy this cosmic potential, or not.

 

If you beleive in it or not, just look at this potential and perhaps you may realize that the momentum behind this revelation is INFINITE.

 

hahahahaha

[VCraigP]

According to some it is not the end of the world, but a change of state.

 

Reporting, not agreeing with. Changing from 3 dimensional to beyond three dimensional (4th dimension or...) not sure I can wrap my head around that one.

I read a book about people doing Remote Viewing and they couldn't see past December 2012. Can't cite the source, but another snippet of connection, if you put any stock in such a source.

 

Michael Winn talks about the changing energy body of the planet and how things are "expanding" or "opening up". This change is for those who align themselves, or who accept it. Eventually there will be earth as we know it, but worse, and a newearth of a different/expanded vibration which those who make the energy shift will participate in.

 

I don't know...but it seems obvious that things can't remain as they are.

 

On the physical plane;

What happens when we run out of oil and we arent' prepared with alternatives??

 

Read "Out of Gas" a simple short primer on what's coming after the Peak of Oil Production comes, with the resulting fall off of supply in face of ever rising demand.

 

Or "Crossing the Rubicon" which details the whole strategy behind our current wacko administrations grab for resources. They know what's coming more than the blind american public does. Disagree with them or not they are making decisions and taking actions based on the coming energy shortage/decline of oil production which will throw everything out of whack.

 

Michael talks about earth changes and the potential for large populations dissappearing from the earth simultaneously and creating an opening in the energy body of the earth which will allow for that transformation. Personally I am still having a hard time digesting that one. Maintaining a spiritual perspective in the face of hellish earthly possibilites is quite a challenge.

 

Will there be a spiritual change coming on 2012? Will it be the end of history?

Who knows?

Will things change dramatically in the next 7 years on the physical plane? I would say definitely yes.

 

Mostly I try to get on with my stuff and not obsess too much (work on my earth issues!)

 

Sometimes when I feel really balanced I know that all I need to nourish me is accesible in my center, my true home.

 

Sometimes I think my head will explode

 

Craig

[Yoda]

It seems to me that all change is gradual and step-by-step even though it sometimes looks dramatic from the outside. Sort of like "suddenly" discovering that you are bald, fat, etc. Or a glacier slowly melting then suddenly breaking in two.

 

I think that the vibe on the planet is improving slowly but surely and maybe 2012 could be a subtle shift in perspective.

 

I do think that fundamental changes in technology and mindset really have sped up our evolution.... humans expect more change these days so we will get more and this will keep snowballing.

 

I predict that life on earth will change MUCH more in the next 100 years than it has in the last 100 years regardless of the Mayan dudes.

 

Was it the Mayans who sacrificed people? I thought it was the Aztecs. In any case, it sounds like another tale of overdoing sungazing and other fire practices!

 

-Yoda

[spyrelx]

[Lozen]

A friend of mine who is a shaman in the Peruvian tradition says the world is not going to end, there is just going to be a physical and spiritual transformation, and th at it is about love. Nothing apocalyptic about it.

[GrandTrinity]

embrace heaven!

 

http://www.dumai.org

 

what is the alternative???

[neimad]

yeah...

 

no apocalypse, only a potential one (if all us white blood cells don't get our shit together that is!).

 

i just think 2012 is the culmination of a period of change. it's not going to be a set fixed date or time.... it is merely the peak of a rise into change and on the other side... will be the other side of the hill.

 

its pretty damn obvious things are changing. people are talking about it. resources are running out. microchips seem imminent. aeroplanes are spraying toxic garbage on unsuspecting citizens. mobile phone towers are spewing out brainwave manipulating frequencies.... but despite all of that, people are waking up and beginning to question their place in society. i talk with them all the time, at work or at anywhere. it's always the same "why do i work in this job for this meaningless life?". and that's the very point.

 

somethings gotta give.

 

for me 2012 represents a potential chance at the end of human slavery.... for perhaps the first time ever.

 

but only if the majority of us embrace that chance.

 

i see either a big change, a big awakening and restructuring of the way we do things. or i see a microchipped and even more mind controlled slavery population, along with massive death and destruction.

 

i can't see any compromise.

 

so yeah.... seek immortality or reunion with god or whatever it is you are looking for, because doing so will help the vibrations of this planet increase to the stage it needs to to change.

 

also the north star and alignment stuff is interesting, and we are about to shift our axis. the poles are also looking like they might flip too. sunspot activity is changing. volcanoes (including the super one in yellowstone park) are rumbling.

 

coincidence?

 

i mean all you guys are spiritual people, surely you have got to realise that there is a lot more than this 5-sense reality and the way it is now. surely you must realise that modern science is incredibly immature still, and can hardly explain anything about the patterns that exist within this giant organism we call the universe.

 

thats mine two cents.

[HaPPyMaraXXus]

Some of your points really struck home in my thoughts, neimad.

 

its pretty damn obvious things are changing. people are talking about it. resources are running out. microchips seem imminent. aeroplanes are spraying toxic garbage on unsuspecting citizens. mobile phone towers are spewing out brainwave manipulating frequencies.... but despite all of that, people are waking up and beginning to question their place in society. i talk with them all the time, at work or at anywhere. it's always the same "why do i work in this job for this meaningless life?". and that's the very point.

 

somethings gotta give.

There are thousands of things going on around our humanly existence, that we wouldn't even have a clue to what is actually happening nor most do not care even so. Its more convenient and submissive (or do I mean permissive? hmmm) to just do the motions and do what we have to do to get to the more enjoyable parts of ourselves- those times to feed that mind, that body, that soul that encompasses your mortal machine to life experience.

Absolute Tao destination please? Why yes, that be immortality.

 

So what makes this path seem most challenging at times? I'd say spirituality is becoming harder to coincide with average living conditions. There are much smaller amounts of spiritual refuges to go to that are not tainted by commercialism in some way (I am sure I need not mention the names of them, if it do ya) that this path can be optimal and beneficial at the level needed to of course achieve its commonly understood goal. Capitolism has been swallowing the land slowly (yet progressively) over the years and the sacred space and energetic refuges are being compromised. Sure, there are still large ones left. But check out the quantity of these available places that are left. As opposed to the millions of acres ready for the people to work, live on, earn, and enjoy less than a few hundred years ago.

 

Something tells me a warning sound or sign should be going off here...yet I still do not hear it. And that is something you should hear very well.

 

What can you do?

 

Sure, make your choices.

Grow some ideas from it.

Spend every second of that gift of life your using to earn your experiences.

 

I do, however, believe there are certain achievements that each individual "doer in the body" (hopefully ya get my meanin', here) must reach to unlock said realities bequeathed of hard-earned living experiences.

 

And what are these achievements, exactly? Beats the crap outta me. Everyone has to figure that one out for themselves. You'll never know another person any more than yourself unless there's a serious imbalance in places known and unknown.

 

People I work with also questions their lives every single day. We do not exactly work in a commonly moral environment. I'm sure this is why the consensus is usually on questioning ones ambitions and habits.

 

Meaningless life...this is very interesting terminology. I stared at it for a few minutes, not really believing the words I was looking at. Then I dug out the dictionary (big time habit of mine) and read both...

you know, while I'm on the subject, sometimes that Webster is really cracked out with definition...

and what I got from doing that only surfaced a couple of small thoughts. And then they dissipated.

Honestly, what I can say to this is that I hope you truly never feel that your existence is in vain.

But you were probably looking from an aesthetic point of view and were digressing on a sort of disgust on the ways of society.

 

You've only yourself at the time the world moves on. Where you will be and what you'll be doing will always be hard to determine as a prediction.

But know that you are responsible for what happens to your khef as it goes through its awakening, void, and peace circle. Somewhere in some corner of the world, I can only hope that ALL will be able to reach this place and find the gifts or lessons (sometimes these can be not-so-fluffy and fun) earned from cultivation and dedication.

 

i see either a big change, a big awakening and restructuring of the way we do things. or i see a microchipped and even more mind controlled slavery population, along with massive death and destruction.

 

i can't see any compromise.

Pleasure and pain come of every aspect of life/death. I can accept that there will be times for both of these things to totally consume me.

 

 

so yeah.... seek immortality or reunion with god or whatever it is you are looking for, because doing so will help the vibrations of this planet increase to the stage it needs to to change.

 

I care less about the changes of the planet than I do with the realities of the universe...but I do recognize that we are largely a part of this earth by our existence as a human in a body machine. Please understand that I am also keeping within reason that the fact of the massive reality of space and time still remains...

 

Great Poll, Cam, but where are the pre-decided choices of traditional measure?

 

-Jessica

[Cameron]

[peter falk]

Interview with Gregg Braden:

In Search of Original Wisdom and Moving Towards Compassion

Dawn Baumann Brunke, Alaska Wellness

 

yeah, but that guy has a mullet. you gonna believe anyone with a mullet?

[thelerner]

Agree w/ Falk, people w/ mullets find speculation and report it as solid fact. In fact I think its no exageration to say All mullet people stretch the truth. Down w/ the mullets.

 

or am I being to mulletant?

 

Peas

 

Michael

 

Its always either the dawn of the NEW AGE or the Apocalypse.

[Cameron]

I cannot deny what you two are saying and your wisdom is irrefutable. How have I have been so blind to even pay lip service to a man that clearly has no fashion sense. Perhaps the dawing of a new age of enlightenment is beyond reason but the eternal downfall of the age of the mullet and all that wish to keep that fire alive is a goal I think we can all share.

 

In mullet hatred fellowship,

 

Cam

[GrandTrinity]

True, one must be skeptical of mullet heads, however, he makes a good point at the end:

 

"The key to this time in history is to transcend judgement and allow for the possibility that light and dark are one and the same, and, as the Egyptian Master Thoth said, different only in seeming and part of an even greater force. As we embrace that, we open the door to the possibility of compassion."

 

Like all things, 2012 is not black and white.

 

It is neither "True" nor a "Cosmic April fools?"

 

As the buddha said,

 

We are what we think.

All that we ae arises with our thoughts.

With our thoughts we make the world.

 

And so, I repeat what I have found to be true, in the hope that one is listening. The potential for heaven on Earth is very much real, and accomplishable in 7 years. It is in our hands, it us up to us to embrace the spiral hierarchy of cosmic light coming from the 4 dimensional school, the true holy sacrament and the tao itself.

 

Keep it real yall.

[Cameron]