women must learn to redirect their orgams too

[Lucky7Strikes]

I got the Sexual Teachings of the White Tigress book. It's interesting to say the least. The practice centers almost exclusively around giving fellatio to men and swallowing their semen to add to your own chi. I didn't finish the book but I think maybe I should go back and do so now. I never got to see if the book actually tells you how to add the semen chi to your own.

 

 

What the....

[witch]

I got the Sexual Teachings of the White Tigress book. It's interesting to say the least. The practice centers almost exclusively around giving fellatio to men and swallowing their semen to add to your own chi. I didn't finish the book but I think maybe I should go back and do so now. I never got to see if the book actually tells you how to add the semen chi to your own.

 

Truthfully, it sounds like a type of energy vampirism to me as the author (and presumably his teachers) advocated doing this primarily to young men. I guess because young men can most afford to lose their semen chi without too much adverse effect.

 

Thanks for bumping this thread as I too am interested in the subject.

 

BTW - what is the Draw?

 

And they are so eager to give it away.

 

ANYhow...my two cents on getting female energy up, for a woman who doesn't want to do the whole Mantak Chia route--it's pretty easy for us at least to get it to our chests because we (generally) don't ejaculate, so we've got the energy pent up.

 

Focus on the chest. Lots of yab yum, fully clothed from the waist down, naked on top. Watch romantic chick flicks and you be that guy, particularly with your chest exposed. That will naturally pull her energy up.

 

Oh, also of course lots of breast and nipple stimulation, but not too hard or you could stimulate too much oxytocin and drop her libido.

[voidisyinyang]

http://discovermagazine.com/2009/oct/10-wh...m-top-to-bottom

 

New DISCOVER article on brain studies and sex.

[gendao]

I got the Sexual Teachings of the White Tigress book. It's interesting to say the least. The practice centers almost exclusively around giving fellatio to men and swallowing their semen to add to your own chi. I didn't finish the book but I think maybe I should go back and do so now. I never got to see if the book actually tells you how to add the semen chi to your own.

 

Truthfully, it sounds like a type of energy vampirism to me as the author (and presumably his teachers) advocated doing this primarily to young men. I guess because young men can most afford to lose their semen chi without too much adverse effect.

Color me skeptical, but if this were the case, wouldn't female porn stars and "sluts" who are getting cummed in all the time then be the most energetically-powerful women of all? They should all be quite awakened with siddhic and healing powers, no?

 

Yet clearly, I don't think they are...so where's the proof for this theory?

[witch]

Color me skeptical, but if this were the case, wouldn't female porn stars and "sluts" who are getting cummed in all the time then be the most energetically-powerful women of all? They should all be quite awakened with siddhic and healing powers, no?

 

Yet clearly, I don't think they are...so where's the proof for this theory?

 

You have to know what you're doing.

[sheng zhen]

http://discovermagazine.com/2009/oct/10-wh...m-top-to-bottom

 

New DISCOVER article on brain studies and sex.

very interesting brain imaging!

[Smile]

The practice centers almost exclusively around giving fellatio to men and swallowing their semen to add to your own chi. I didn't finish the book but I think maybe I should go back and do so now. I never got to see if the book actually tells you how to add the semen chi to your own.

Lol, if this is true, this is the saddest and the most sidetracked thing I've ever read regarding woman's sexual cutivation.

 

Swallowing semen without refining it later through mediation is like putting crude oil straight out of the oil pipe in your car, and expecting it to kick ass in racing.

[JustARandomPanda]

Lol, if this is true, this is the saddest and the most sidetracked thing I've ever read regarding woman's sexual cutivation.

 

Swallowing semen without refining it later through mediation is like putting crude oil straight out of the oil pipe in your car, and expecting it to kick ass in racing.

Well according to the book the woman sits for approximately an hour or so in meditation afterward and alchemizes the semen chi to add to her own. It's just that I never finished the book so I have no idea if step-by-step instructions are presented on how to do the Alchemizing/Transformation work.

 

I stopped reading it because I dislike the author emphasizing that to really do the practice right you're supposed to suck off strange men. I am not the type of person who enjoys sex with strange men or acquaintances. I prefer monogamy and loyalty. And the thought of me doing something like this to my BF - even if he fully understood the implications and consented - well I still don't like it. I don't know how to put it but for some reason the whole practice struck me as parasitic.

 

Furthermore I know first hand there is such a thing as sick chi. I've been slowly trying to draw out sick chi from my ovaries to send to my Lower Dantien (it seemed to work as it reduced the period pain I always get) but I must not be doing it faultlessly because it always leaves me with a bit of a nauseated stomach.

 

My point being that if my ovaries can store sick chi then who's to say some random dude from the street I suck off didn't have sick chi stored in his testicles as well? And I'd be swallowing it - with little practice of how to store it and practically none of how to purify it before adding it to my own.

 

It's a strange book and I find it even odder that the author is incognito on the White Tigress website. Nothing about the him, his photo, other training he may have received, etc. All the major Qi Gong teachers have no problem doing those things. B.K.Frantzis, Michael Winn, Mantak Chia, Chunyi Lin, Jwing-Ming, TB's Michael Lomax...heck even Kunlun's Max Christensen has photos of himself and his students openly displayed on his website. The fact the White Tigress author is so hidden from public scrutiny I find...odd.

 

Not to mention - the books have been out for a while now. I would think that TaoBums would have had at least ONE student who went through the program and could report back about it. Instead there's nothing. A black hole. I wish the guy in the other thread who said he and a woman were going to start studying it had reported back.

Edited September 15, 2009 by SereneBlue

[Deepbluesea]

Well according to the book the woman sits for approximately an hour or so in meditation afterward and alchemizes the semen chi to add to her own. It's just that I never finished the book so I have no idea if step-by-step instructions are presented on how to do the Alchemizing/Transformation work.

 

I stopped reading it because I dislike the author emphasizing that to really do the practice right you're supposed to suck off strange men. I am not the type of person who enjoys sex with strange men or acquaintances. I prefer monogamy and loyalty. And the thought of me doing something like this to my BF - even if he fully understood the implications and consented - well I still don't like it. I don't know how to put it but for some reason the whole practice struck me as parasitic.

 

Furthermore I know first hand there is such a thing as sick chi. I've been slowly trying to draw out sick chi from my ovaries to send to my Lower Dantien (it seemed to work as it reduced the period pain I always get) but I must not be doing it faultlessly because it always leaves me with a bit of a nauseated stomach.

 

My point being that if my ovaries can store sick chi then who's to say some random dude from the street I suck off didn't have sick chi stored in his testicles as well? And I'd be swallowing it - with little practice of how to store it and practically none of how to purify it before adding it to my own.

 

It's a strange book and I find it even odder that the author is incognito on the White Tigress website. Nothing about the him, his photo, other training he may have received, etc. All the major Qi Gong teachers have no problem doing those things. B.K.Frantzis, Michael Winn, Mantak Chia, Chunyi Lin, Jwing-Ming, TB's Michael Lomax...heck even Kunlun's Max Christensen has photos of himself and his students openly displayed on his website. The fact the White Tigress author is so hidden from public scrutiny I find...odd.

 

Not to mention - the books have been out for a while now. I would think that TaoBums would have had at least ONE student who went through the program and could report back about it. Instead there's nothing. A black hole. I wish the guy in the other thread who said he and a woman were going to start studying it had reported back.

 

 

I have no idea what women should do to expand and protect their energy. I thought that the original post was a little fright-ridden and paranoid (no offense smartgirl, my reactions are wrong all the time). SB, I truly admire your skepticism and consideration. There is so much information available today, you are obviously looking at things closely, keep it up! I hate it when people tell me to stop being so critical. When you ask someone to take a leap of faith, you gotta have a background, some referrals, ... something.

[VCraigP]

 

So any good female sexual cultivation book recommendations?

 

So... to carry on in the area I have been exploring lately.

Earlier in this post Vortex said

"Traditionally, women are thought to lose more energy from periods and birth, not so much orgasms (which are more implosive, than explosive, for them). In fact, it seems that some may even get more energized from orgasming...and have their sexual appetite stimulated even more than satiate"

 

The key word I focused on here is Traditionally. It seems that recent research into the female orgasm which is elucidated in Cupid's Poisoned Arrow tends to show that normal orgasms cause a very similar pattern in women as in Men. Orgasm throws the dopamine levels out of homeostasis for about two weeks, until return to baseline. This pattern can lead to habituation with ones partner, ie, behavior and attitude which tends to signal one to find fault in the partner, be irritated with the partner and so on, which is your genetic strategy to push you to find novel partners. In the book it is explained in much clearer terms and more specifically than I am doing here.

Another key part of Vortex's quote is "and have their sexual appetite stimulated even more than satiated"

This stimulation of the sexual appetite may well be the result of depletion and not fullness. The neurochemistry research tends to show that the attendant dip in dopamine after orgasm may lead one to seek orgasm again to alleviate the symptoms resulting from lowered dopamine after orgasm. This goes back to the point I made in another thread about the traditional idea that when sexual energy is full there will not be overly strong desire, something which didn't make sense to me previously. Apparently this pattern holds for men and women.

 

So the main point I am trying to focus on is the idea that orgasms are in some ways equally unbalancing hormonally if not indeed energetically depleting as with men. This is a BIG difference from the general idea about women portrayed in Taoist bedroom arts, esp Chia and others. Again, I think Chia's material holds some good keys and if using that material while keeping in mind that full orgasm for the woman may be a problem one can explore the "valley orgasm" concept with both partners energy flowing and both being careful not to overheat.

 

This is where my current explorations have led me.

Therefore I highly recommend Cupid's Poisoned Arrow for its explanations about brain chemistry, mammalian brain characteristics and the concept of two different types of lovemaking, fertilization based or bonding based.

 

The problem as I see it in pop Taoist lovemaking concepts is not making a clear distinction between the two modes of bonding based activity and fertilization based activity.

It is quite possible to engage in hot, sweaty intense and highly pleasurable sex and still use "Taoist" technique to control ejaculation and female orgasm as well. And it feels REALLY good!!! BUT...this isn't the real deal and may not even be that health promoting. The research shows that this kind of stimulation may still engage stress mechanisms and not promote the healing neurochemistry (oxytocin et,al). Of course the style described above will definitely give one more energy when compared to lovemaking with ejaculation, but the question of the quality of energy obtained is what I am questioning. Also, it is quite possible to practice this style of lovemaking without powerfully engaging the heart. This is my experience. One stays very focused on the body but the head is still in control not the heart.

 

So, in response to your query on what books to recommend I actually am not sure about recommending this book to someone new to these concepts. What I do know is that the Chia manual(s) tend to come off as very technical and not heart oriented. That is not to judge the overall concepts or approach of HT, just the way the books portray things IMO.

If I were trying to introduce someone to these concepts again I would definitely want some input which wasn't all about how to move energy around and more about the heart. Your situation may be a bit different in fact from the descriptions you have made about your long and short terms relationships so I am a bit of a loss to give advice to you given that your arrangements are so different than mine.

 

end of ramble...I hope there is something of use there.

 

Craig

 

Well according to the book the woman sits for approximately an hour or so in meditation afterward and alchemizes the semen chi to add to her own. It's just that I never finished the book so I have no idea if step-by-step instructions are presented on how to do the Alchemizing/Transformation work.

 

Crazy ! Sidetrack like Smile said.

In my opinion this is a typical corruption of alchemy. Mistaking the semen for the jing. If one actually could do such alchemy it seems it would be much more effective to take in and blend energy during regular intercourse.

This seems to me a much healthier thoughtform overall.

 

Now I know why I never even picked up that book.

thanks

 

Craig

[voidisyinyang]

See this issue at hand here in this thread was alluded to in the new brain sex article from Discover magazine. It's been proven that sex "STARTS" in the brain which is another way of saying that sex originates as electromagnetic energy.

 

Now it's ALSO been proven recently that females have climaxes from the vagus nerve -- and this is what males need to learn to do in order to also have internal orgasms without ejaculation -- to create what:

 

MORE ELECTROMAGNETIC HEALING ENERGY.

 

It works through the relaxation parasympathetic -- so first the kidney energy has to be transformed away from the stress dopamine cortisol (fight-flight) system of civlization (salt, caffeine, sugar, alcohol, pot, nicotine are ALL dopamine activators)....

 

Then the liver is cleared out (from all the extra saturated and transfat clogging it up creating anger) and then the heart opens up which went built up enough becomes the electromagnetic energy that opens up the pineal gland to

 

transmit the electromagnetic energy. I've been living off "O at a Ds" now since Sunday -- no food -- just psychic mutual climaxes. Again it's because the male shoots electromagnetic energy out of the pineal gland and the electromagnetic energy that builds up while the male, in full-lotus, sucks up the N/um (the Bushmen term for jing) -- the sex energy or electrochemical energy (testosterone included!) from the female. Since both are having internal climaxes without activating the male stress ejaculation -- right at male ejaculation the system switches over to the sympathetic stress nervous system - going back to dopamine and cortisol -- so since both are still relying on the love relaxation energy then a free energy cycle can keep building.

 

But the thrust of this thread is certainly correct MOST (99.9%) of modern males do not know how to transmit electromagnetic energy out of their pineal glands -- and even if they did it would completely against civilization (because the vagus nerve also transduces the anaerobic bacteria along with the serotonin of the lower body so that food has to be very minimal, like the Bushmen culture).

 

Most males have their electromagnetic energy -- their secret subconscious essence -- focused as what Gurdieff calls a Number 3 or Number 2 person -- Number 3 means the male is very religious and begins to use his left-brain to activate the pineal gland (create light in the brain). This is rare but not nearly rare as a Number 4 person who has the pineal gland permanently magnetized. A Number 2 male is controlled by their lower emotions -- so their electromagnetic focus hasn't even opened up the heart chakra yet -- and their main consciousness is in the state of fear, anger, lust, sadness and worry.

 

In other words the electromagnetic aspect of sex -- as the male energy -- remains subconscious for modern males. For the Bushmen culture the females insist the males learn how to transmit the electromagnetic love energy while the males in turn "collect the N/um of young maidens" -- the electrochemical energy. It's tantra and the healing that humans practiced for most of our history -- peaceful, no war -- the Bushmen are the original human culture from 10,000 BCE to 80,000 BCE.

 

 

 

Color me skeptical, but if this were the case, wouldn't female porn stars and "sluts" who are getting cummed in all the time then be the most energetically-powerful women of all? They should all be quite awakened with siddhic and healing powers, no?

 

Yet clearly, I don't think they are...so where's the proof for this theory?

[Mal]

[rain]

 

It seems that recent research into the female orgasm which is elucidated in Cupid's Poisoned Arrow tends to show that normal orgasms cause a very similar pattern in women as in Men. Orgasm throws the dopamine levels out of homeostasis for about two weeks, until return to baseline. This pattern can lead to habituation with ones partner, ie, behavior and attitude which tends to signal one to find fault in the partner, be irritated with the partner and so on, which is your genetic strategy to push you to find novel partners. In the book it is explained in much clearer terms and more specifically than I am doing here.

 

So the main point I am trying to focus on is the idea that orgasms are in some ways equally unbalancing hormonally if not indeed energetically depleting as with men.

This is where my current explorations have led me.

Therefore I highly recommend Cupid's Poisoned Arrow for its explanations about brain chemistry, mammalian brain characteristics and the concept of two different types of lovemaking, fertilization based or bonding based.

 

The problem as I see it in pop Taoist lovemaking concepts is not making a clear distinction between the two modes of bonding based activity and fertilization based activity.

It is quite possible to engage in hot, sweaty intense and highly pleasurable sex and still use "Taoist" technique to control ejaculation and female orgasm as well.

---

 

 

VCraigP

Thank you for finding this info. you suddenly became the most attractive male on the planet

[King Kabalabhati]

Time to thank you people for illumination. I'm definitely heading for the slow&tender style now that I have experienced enough electric exctacy (last time it was intense beyond all of my previous experiences)

 

I realize now that even if I'm charged with all this electromagnetism from my cultivation it's still not necessary to let it make things too hot. To stay conscious amongst all those flowing currents of joy is the challenge.

 

It's so funny, first you think you've got it, then you do it, then you think you got it right, then you realize something wasnt right after all, then you get new information, then it's time to do it again, repeat cycle.

[VCraigP]

It is quite possible to engage in hot, sweaty intense and highly pleasurable sex and still use "Taoist" technique to control ejaculation and female orgasm as well.

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VCraigP

Thank you for finding this info. you suddenly became the most attractive male on the planet cool.gif laugh.gif

 

 

 

 

Gee thanks, but you are just teasing me. I hope you aren't complimenting me for the above line because my point was that this style is NOT conducive to what I believe we should be seeking.

On the other hand maybe you aren't teasing because you are writing in plain language instead of cryptic riddles falling like Rain.

[Smile]

Well, I have a video interview of a former M. Chia female practitioner who took sexual cultivation to a new level. PM if anyone is interested.

[Ya Mu]

From another thread:

Taoism is very practical - it's about experiencing the divine within the mundane. ...

 

Methinks one has to ask, what is a higher vibration, love or lust? Lust can lead to physical bliss but love can lead to Divine bliss.

 

The method I list in this book works equally well for women as it does for men; a direct experiencing of the Divine with true alchemy. The only gotcha with this system is that it works best (I usually say requires but it does depend on energetic experience) when male and female are qigong practitioners.

 

Vortex posted this quote in another thread:

If the energy was strong enough, the ceiling will disappear and you will see the stars; but not the same stars you would see outside the window of your house, for you have opened a pathway to the Higher Levels. - Michael Lomax, A Light Warrior's Guide To High Level Energy Healing, p159

[JustARandomPanda]

One of these days I have to find a way to afford all the expenses so I can take a Stillness-Movement workshop.

[rain]

It is quite possible to engage in hot, sweaty intense and highly pleasurable sex and still use "Taoist" technique to control ejaculation and female orgasm as well.

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VCraigP

Thank you for finding this info. you suddenly became the most attractive male on the planet cool.gif laugh.gif

Gee thanks, but you are just teasing me. I hope you aren't complimenting me for the above line because my point was that this style is NOT conducive to what I believe we should be seeking.

On the other hand maybe you aren't teasing because you are writing in plain language instead of cryptic riddles falling like Rain.

 

VCraigP

I wasn't teasing you and I'm aware of what you say about heartchakra involvment. I kind of believe Drew is right on the matter about having mutual internal climaxes and falling in true love after 5 of them.

 

I was at a qigong seminar last week. There I was so lucky as to be energetically "tested" by three senior "students". One woman corrected my whole body posture by sending qi into me. It was easy to see the adjustment as the energy went like a wave through my torso. She didnt make me fall in love ;D that's not the point here, but the energy certainly brought up a memory of feisty energy grilling my internal chest on an earlier occation, it showed up to be a resurfing symptom, not to worry about. I am so grateful for finally having a

heartchakra that I can feel and flex. When Witch speaks about her I can feel my own.

When the other two were testing me I learned that people use different senses to detect qi, some feel inside their own bodies, others see it, and others again have a sense of location and are able to describe variables like heat cold, tense, smooth , sharp, etc. Well what I felt after she had sendt qi into me was that I was finally able to Do something with this energy. I seemed to be able to "hold" it and amplify it. So I did until one of the guys just jumped and said ahh wow I can feel it inside my chest. And I answered..you were ment to.

 

And that made me very happy.

 

So may be I don't understand you? Do you believe women should not hold and build energy but rather be pleased to have/be given as many as possible vaginal orgasms?

Edited September 16, 2009 by rain

[Magitek]

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Edited January 29, 2010 by Magitek

[VCraigP]

So may be I don't understand you? Do you believe women should not hold and build energy but rather be pleased to have/be given as many as possible vaginal orgasms?

 

No, you understand me.

We are totally on the same page in this conversation.

 

Hold, build, expand, connect. yep yep. The best stuff.

Typically male I missed the forest for the trees in my Sexual gongfu training initially. The whole thing is becoming much more clear to me now....about time, I've only studied M.Chia's material since the mid 1980's followed by many others.

 

Congrats on your recent expanded awareness and thanks for sharing it.

 

Craig

[JustARandomPanda]

I was at a qigong seminar last week. There I was so lucky as to be energetically "tested" by three senior "students". One woman corrected my whole body posture by sending qi into me. It was easy to see the adjustment as the energy went like a wave through my torso. She didnt make me fall in love ;D that's not the point here, but the energy certainly brought up a memory of feisty energy grilling my internal chest on an earlier occation, it showed up to be a resurfing symptom, not to worry about. I am so grateful for finally having a

heartchakra that I can feel and flex. When Witch speaks about her I can feel my own.

When the other two were testing me I learned that people use different senses to detect qi, some feel inside their own bodies, others see it, and others again have a sense of location and are able to describe variables like heat cold, tense, smooth , sharp, etc. Well what I felt after she had sendt qi into me was that I was finally able to Do something with this energy. I seemed to be able to "hold" it and amplify it. So I did until one of the guys just jumped and said ahh wow I can feel it inside my chest. And I answered..you were ment to.

 

And that made me very happy.

*whistles*

 

Wow. I hope some day I can do stuff like that too.

 

Way to go Rain!

[witch]

Well Smartgirls initial post makes a lot of sense even though I'm not a woman.

 

Witch, I've read your posts and I've never believed you. You can't have all those orgasms without having loads of rich food and supplments. Over-fed and over-sexed, In the long-term I wonder what the body makes of that?

 

"Too much food and a tiring pace, some things are simply bad" Tao Te Ching

 

Dr. Lin is not so good either, he tells his people to take TONS of supplements, and there are stories there of women getting VERY moody after their hour-long orgasm-per-second sessions.

 

Who ever said orgasms were free? You pay. Isn't that sexual magick 101?

 

Often you pay in pain. Pleasure, pain actually the same thing, verdict: body is not interested, doesn't want to know.

 

So why are all the pleasure bunnies/monkeys going on the radar, poisining the genuine stuff? Why aren't they being chased out?

 

Wise person invests his golden coins in his golden body. Silly person spends his coins spasming and calling it spiritual.

 

I always knew orgasms have nothing to do with (white) sexual magick. I can safely call Drew Hempel a trickster using words such as "internal orgasms".

 

BTW. Smartgirl about your girlfriend and that retention guy? I bet she was having a really good time at first thought right?

 

The orgasms I have are vaginal orgasms. My rate of clitoral orgasms is pretty normal for a woman my age, two or three a week, sometimes more or less depending on my cycle.

 

Of course I do eat a lot of rich food and take copious amounts of fish oil. Clearly I am silly, since I am not interested in sending my sexual energy up to my head, or the golden body, or longevity. Also I have the word witch right in my name to warn people off from doing what I do.

 

I am only of interest to this board because I do know how to increase basic sexual energy, and from what I've gathered that seems helpful for retention practice.

[voidisyinyang]

Ladies -- this is awesome! A free and loving discussion on such an intimate level. Anyway I googled vagus nerve, internal climax and the first hit from from a female psychobiologist Dr. who reports the following:

 

Pills for Orgasm in Women

 

Researchers at University in New Brunswick, NJ, believe they have isolated a chemical that produces orgasms in women.

 

Through experiments with lab rats, the researchers determined that the brain can receive signals of sexual response through a pathway other than the spinal cord. They found an alternate pathway through the vagus nerve, which goes directly from the cervix, through the abdomen and chest cavity, into the neck and to the brain stem.

 

Women who were paralyzed and had no feeling below the breast area were, in fact, capable of having orgasm ((7)).

 

Those experiments helped lead to the isolation of the vasoactive intestinal peptide, which he believes is the neurotransmitter, or nervous system chemical messenger, in the body that causes the orgasm sensation in the brain.

 

That same chemical may also have strong pain-suppressing qualities rivaling morphine that one day may make it a natural source of pain relief (7).

 

The finding could lead to a pill that would give a person the same sensation as an orgasm and might be used in treating pain.

[markern]

Aren`t there some quite good chineese herbal formulas for increasing womens sexual energy and likelyhood of orgasm? I know that doctor Wang Yan has an ass kicking formula for mens impotence. Maybe she has a simular one for women. She also has simple qigong sets for men and womens sexual funtion. Considering she spent much of her young years traveling arround china to document all sorts of qigong forms she could find on behalf of the chineese government she should have picked the best from an enormous sample:

 

www.drwch.com