women must learn to redirect their orgams too

[Vajrasattva]

Hmm...can I GIVE him energy anally and orally? As in an anal or oral version of the foot, palm and crown breathing I learned in KAP?

 

 

Yes you can BUT.............

 

You need to be with someone that will LOVE YOU FULLY and will share with you internally & externally. Not just to have you to bang you anally and to have you Give them head.

 

I recommend you do KAP 2 there you will learn loads of Sexual self & Dual Cultivation.

 

Anal Sex & Oral Sex have their place but in some cases its used by people & entities to control & Drain you of energy.

 

So unless he is giving back you are being Vamp'd.

 

Why wont he make love to you vaginally?

 

Love & Best wishes

 

Santiago

 

 

 

Well according to the book the woman sits for approximately an hour or so in meditation afterward and alchemizes the semen chi to add to her own. It's just that I never finished the book so I have no idea if step-by-step instructions are presented on how to do the Alchemizing/Transformation work.

 

I stopped reading it because I dislike the author emphasizing that to really do the practice right you're supposed to suck off strange men. I am not the type of person who enjoys sex with strange men or acquaintances. I prefer monogamy and loyalty. And the thought of me doing something like this to my BF - even if he fully understood the implications and consented - well I still don't like it. I don't know how to put it but for some reason the whole practice struck me as parasitic.

 

Furthermore I know first hand there is such a thing as sick chi. I've been slowly trying to draw out sick chi from my ovaries to send to my Lower Dantien (it seemed to work as it reduced the period pain I always get) but I must not be doing it faultlessly because it always leaves me with a bit of a nauseated stomach.

 

My point being that if my ovaries can store sick chi then who's to say some random dude from the street I suck off didn't have sick chi stored in his testicles as well? And I'd be swallowing it - with little practice of how to store it and practically none of how to purify it before adding it to my own.

 

It's a strange book and I find it even odder that the author is incognito on the White Tigress website. Nothing about the him, his photo, other training he may have received, etc. All the major Qi Gong teachers have no problem doing those things. B.K.Frantzis, Michael Winn, Mantak Chia, Chunyi Lin, Jwing-Ming, TB's Michael Lomax...heck even Kunlun's Max Christensen has photos of himself and his students openly displayed on his website. The fact the White Tigress author is so hidden from public scrutiny I find...odd.

 

Not to mention - the books have been out for a while now. I would think that TaoBums would have had at least ONE student who went through the program and could report back about it. Instead there's nothing. A black hole. I wish the guy in the other thread who said he and a woman were going to start studying it had reported back.

 

 

One of Glenn's Students tracked them down to train and to learn.... Its Bullshit.

 

 

Hmm. I disagree. I don't think women lose energy through orgasm, I think they gain energy through orgasm, with two exceptions--ejaculation orgasms and heart chakra orgasms. Certainly after clitoral orgasm there is a temporary loss of desire for orgasm, and I suppose a case could be made that that is a sort of energy loss, but I think very minor compared to the energy a man loses during ejaculation.

 

I think there may be some wicked men who learn the technique of drawing energy out through a woman's vagina during intercourse, but that must be very rare. I think more common is the man who preys on a woman's heart energy.

 

 

true

 

Redirecting is actually not following "TAO" or GOD/GODDESS Source You just need to open your heart and connection to the Source and the energy will flow naturally where its supposed to be.

 

If you force it it will only FUCK YOU UP.

 

Let it flow naturally. Its more important to just Make love than to force some "vampiric" ideal into your sex.

 

You will get WAY more energy if you learn to love give & receive love than if you try to "semen horde" or stop outward female orgasm.

 

if your mind goes to your Heart Mandala you will naturally sublimate & Transmute energy naturally as it should be transmuted.

 

 

If you have love Deer exercises & Circulations happen naturally. Your Penis & lovers Boobs will grow bigger naturally. I have personally seen this happen.

 

Love

 

Santiago

Edited October 25, 2009 by Vajrasattva

[Biff]

Oh hell...

 

Looks like I'm surfacing again to answer this.

 

Yes...this would be ideal but in reality it's not going to happen. My BF ridicules Yoga, Qi Gong, meditation, etc as being "gay" and "queer". He wants no part of any of it and has told me so. Not even to humor me. I asked about the anal because he doesn't care for 'regular' sex. Has little to no interest in it. His thing is anal (well that and fellatio). I'm not a fan of anal but since that's pretty much what he's into that's why I asked.

 

If one person cultivates but the other doesn't - is there a way to safeguard things so I don't unintentionally hurt him. Because as it now stands from what you're saying...I've got 2 choices. A) Either stop cultivating permanently [which of course means dumping KAP and meditation practice ] or B ) dump him.

 

Unless this is a joke... ditch that motherfucka. Not into regular sex? well sounds like he is only into pleasing himself. Your description here sounds like that of a man that will never truly love you, a selfish bastard. Sorry that's a little harsh I guess... I'm not just saying that because of the comments regarding sex but also the fact that he has no interests in your interests. He sounds very insecure... love him and leave him I say.

[rain]

heart never drains

thats just a feeling when greedy becomes disappointed

through reaching for someone who is not truly there

 

its called disappointment

 

like stage diving without supporters

 

Iv'e had good times stopping outwards orgasm. alone and with partner. a partner can very well

share an inwards orgasm with you. a particularly paranoid partner would perhaps dream you stealing from him, while draeing inwards, but then again, who would have such a partner.

Edited October 25, 2009 by rain

[sinno]

 

SB you can do better

 

[Vajrasattva]

 

SB you can do better

 

 

 

I agree get your self a KAP 2 MAN!

[Seth Ananda]

Shit, Serene Blue I am really sorry to hear about your situation with your BF.

Stuff like that makes me feel really sad. A Man/Boy like that cannot nurture your Heart open, nor can connect to or nourish you in any way. All he can do is do further damage to you for your next relationships as Sex you are not really Into, that is not heart connected will only build deeper defensive walls to intimacy within you.

 

Please listen to the really good advice from Vajrasattva, sinno, Rain and Biff and Kick that useless First circuit pleasure oinker out On his useless ass.

 

Don't Suffer for his Shit, just cause he has ruined himself with the Porn sex Imprint.

 

You are Not a porn star fantasy, you are a woman with Feelings, who is trying to cultivate, A rare and precious Gem. Find someone you can blossom with.

 

Seth.

[Pietro]

Hello Serene Blue.

 

It looks like you are proceeding quite fast.

 

I have just read your post, and I have something to add.

...

Furthermore I know first hand there is such a thing as sick chi. I've been slowly trying to draw out sick chi from my ovaries to send to my Lower Dantien (it seemed to work as it reduced the period pain I always get) but I must not be doing it faultlessly because it always leaves me with a bit of a nauseated stomach.

...

 

Are you sure about the practice of taking away sick chi from glands and storing it in the LDD? I wouldn't do it. Instead may I suggest to ground it to the earth. Maybe dissolve it. The energy dissolved should then join the energy in your aura. But sending it straight to the LDD seem like the formula to get really bad illness later on.

 

second, speaking about anal sex, in anal sex you can easily suck the energy out of your partner LDD pretty much directly. Which would be another reason not to store sick chi there.

 

Generally, to have orgasms, have you considered following witch advice on the diet? She has a book out there called Orgasmic Diet. I think you should give it a try.

[Vajrasattva]

Hello Serene Blue.

 

It looks like you are proceeding quite fast.

 

I have just read your post, and I have something to add.

Are you sure about the practice of taking away sick chi from glands and storing it in the LDD? I wouldn't do it. Instead may I suggest to ground it to the earth. Maybe dissolve it. The energy dissolved should then join the energy in your aura. But sending it straight to the LDD seem like the formula to get really bad illness later on.

 

second, speaking about anal sex, in anal sex you can easily suck the energy out of your partner LDD pretty much directly. Which would be another reason not to store sick chi there.

 

Generally, to have orgasms, have you considered following witch advice on the diet? She has a book out there called Orgasmic Diet. I think you should give it a try.

 

 

yes blow the sick energy out away from body or transmute it in tummo but that is not yet strong enough. so bye bye send it out and away.

[SAMANTABHADRA]

Whoever posted that picture of Samantabhadra made me feel like I should comment on this thread.

 

SB, I think it's very suspicious that although your boyfriend likes to use the words 'gay' and 'queer' as negative connotations regarding your spiritual practices - and this clearly indicates not only his general close-mindedness, but a dislike of homosexuality - but then declines engaging you in explicitly heterosexual vaginal sex, preferring the 'gay' methods of anal and oral sex.

 

By no means is anal sex or oral sex gay. However, I dare to say that all gay men prefer anal sex to vaginal sex. Maybe your boyfriend has more serious identity issues that he is suppressing?

 

By all means, dump that douchebag. Nothing will hamper your own self-exploration and growth more than some man-child deriding you for following your intuitions.

 

Good luck.

[theoddore]

 

By all means, dump that douchebag. Nothing will hamper your own self-exploration and growth more than some man-child deriding you for following your intuitions.

 

Good luck.

 

 

First of all, let me express that the Tao Bums that have told you to get rid of this guy did so more eloquently than I could ever hope to.

 

I wanted to add to the discussion by throwing a curve ball out there.

 

What if this situation was reversed and it was the man who wanted to cultivate but the woman was not disciplined enough to cultivate? To further complicate the issue, what if she had a tremendous amount of emotional baggage and as a result was not interested in sex really at all? Now a lot of spiritually minded men would no doubt try to keep the faith in her if he loved her especially if she loved him and their relationship was more or less good but sexually not there at all. The question becomes--is the man being vampirized by never really getting anything in return sexually no matter how much the woman claims to love him? How much must he in turn love her in order to overcome this and what must he do to empower himself to "stay the course" as it were?

 

I was asked for advice on this very situation and was unsure how to respond. If a man is unemotional the response is usually "ditch that scumbag!" If a woman is unresponsive sexually yet emotionally invested the response is usually "if you love her enough you will just have to understand."

 

a cosmic snafu to be sure...

 

peace/love

 

theoddore

[King Kabalabhati]

Theoddore, what you describe is a familiar situation for me.. for 9 years of my life. I was, and am still, very emotionally attached to her. We have three kids too. But a couple of months ago she decided to break things up, and we both have come to understand how impossible our relationship has been. In many ways its been like two vampires sucking each other for energy, in any ways possible. Even though we're both cultivators and quite spiritual.

 

It's not fair, neither realistic for either of the partners to be expected to change so much over the course of the relationship. Sexual frustration will spread its bad influence over all the areas of co-existence. So while it's not a good idea to dump your beloved partner as soon as sexual problems appear, it is probably not wise to wait for years and years for a miracle to happen. Some people are just not meant to be that way.. they might make better friends than lovers.

Edited November 2, 2009 by King Kabalabhati

[witch]

I've done all I could. I had compassion for the suffering of husbands. I've done all I could, it almost took everything I have. Now I have to take care of myself and build up what I poured out. I have children, I have to take care of myself now. That chapter of my life is over.

 

I guess the thing I learned that took the wind out of my sails is that even though I can teach women how to strengthen desire so much that men look like the weaker sex, sexually speaking, some women intrinsically don't like feeling that way and they will stop doing it once they feel the changes. It makes me so sad and makes me feel so alone. And then there are other women who once they increase their desire, realize that their desire for other men is stronger than their desire for their husbands. That is more understandable that they then stop.

 

For women so much is simple physiology. I think one thing I have learned is that I should have charged large amounts of money to teach what I know. That way, women who followed what I said would value it and apply themselves and stay with it. Putting it in a ten dollar book made women feel it was commonplace and not worth doing.

[Vajrahridaya]

I had a girlfriend that could find the upward spinal energy pull... the kundalini yogini she is. She could shatter your ego through her yoni and make you see the cosmos as if the entirety was in the bedroom with you. She'd pull up and have multiples and take you there with her, or vice versa as I would have inward multiples as well.

 

Well... that was our connection at least, quite cosmic. She would lick blue light from my ajna. The best sex I've ever had, by far.

[Mal]

I wanted to add to the discussion by throwing a curve ball out there.

What if this situation was reversed and it was the man who wanted to cultivate but the woman was not disciplined enough to cultivate? To further complicate the issue, what if she had a tremendous amount of emotional baggage and as a result was not interested in sex really at all?

 

Nice curve ball. Many of us deal with this the gender rolls can be switched around.

 

Theoddore, what you describe is a familiar situation for me.. for 9 years of my life.

I'll see your nine and raise you 10, this millennium has not been good for us. And yes sexual frustration spills over contaminating what would be the other positives of the relationship. And it's such a "petty" problem, everything else is good it's just sex....frustrating.

 

I guess the thing I learned that took the wind out of my sails is that even though I can teach women how to strengthen desire so much that men look like the weaker sex, sexually speaking, some women intrinsically don't like feeling that way and they will stop doing it once they feel the changes.

 

Yes that is the worst part, not being able to do anything about it is easy enough to deal with. But not wanting to feel that way.....that's really hard to take.

[witch]

Yes. I bring pain into relationships. Women can't just blame their whatever it is they blame, because I can fix them up. They have to choose to stay the way they are.

[theoddore]

I had a girlfriend that could find the upward spinal energy pull... the kundalini yogini she is.

 

Had?????????????

[Senorita Lotus]

Whoever posted that picture of Samantabhadra made me feel like I should comment on this thread.

 

SB, I think it's very suspicious that although your boyfriend likes to use the words 'gay' and 'queer' as negative connotations regarding your spiritual practices - and this clearly indicates not only his general close-mindedness, but a dislike of homosexuality - but then declines engaging you in explicitly heterosexual vaginal sex, preferring the 'gay' methods of anal and oral sex.

 

By no means is anal sex or oral sex gay. However, I dare to say that all gay men prefer anal sex to vaginal sex. Maybe your boyfriend has more serious identity issues that he is suppressing?

 

By all means, dump that douchebag. Nothing will hamper your own self-exploration and growth more than some man-child deriding you for following your intuitions.

 

Good luck.

 

I couldn't have said it better myself!

[King Kabalabhati]

When it comes to sex in relationship, I think David Shade puts it very plain and simple. If the man is not being a man, if the woman can't fully trust him and respect him as a man, then sexual problems occur. In a way the relationship is doomed already at this point. I'm not sure if it's possible to gain back that lost trust and respect.

 

This was definitely the case in my relationship. She was not really taking her place as the woman either, so I had problems respecting her fully.. At the moment I'm learning on how to be a man. No, I mean THE man.

[goldisheavy]

I don't want to distract the conversation, but I wanted to mention that I believe you all got trolled in the classical sense of the word. The person (can't even be sure it's a real woman) who posted this thread at the beginning has only made a total of 3 posts on this forum. So this person comes in, throws in a proposition to get you guys all excited and talkative and leaves. Obvious troll tactic in the classical sense.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

 

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

 

What makes it a troll is that if the proposition is sincere, the person who started the topic would stick around to discuss it. But as it stands, it looks like this was done for laughs.

Edited November 3, 2009 by goldisheavy

[Mal]

Well I resurrected this thread from Jun 2008 not everyone sticks around and why start a new thread when one already exists. It's turned into a good discussion

[Vajrahridaya]

Had?????????????

 

Yeah I know... Well... I just married my current girlfriend. But... the last one I tried to marry, the one I was talking about. She didn't really believe that I would honestly do it though so she broke up with me after she'd been asking me to propose to her for over a years time and I wasn't ready, then when I did, she had already met someone else she felt was mature enough. She felt that she was too old for me, that she would miss the wonderful connection, but she had to sacrifice it for the sake of marriage and a kid she so desperately wanted. So, she is 40 to my 34 now, when we met I was 29. My current wife is 25 going on 26 in a weeks time. So, there is time to train her... LOL!

Edited November 3, 2009 by Vajrahridaya

[markern]

When it comes to sex in relationship, I think David Shade puts it very plain and simple. If the man is not being a man, if the woman can't fully trust him and respect him as a man, then sexual problems occur. In a way the relationship is doomed already at this point. I'm not sure if it's possible to gain back that lost trust and respect.

 

This was definitely the case in my relationship. She was not really taking her place as the woman either, so I had problems respecting her fully.. At the moment I'm learning on how to be a man. No, I mean THE man.

 

Did you read Shade after I mentioned him in your thread on jealousy? If you did and it resonates that makes me very happy?

 

I think Shade is very good but there is a certain risk of going over board with what he says. There are other dynamics between couples that can work very well but in general and for most women I think what he says is very important.

 

Maybe David Deida could work well for you also. There are a lot of similarities between Shade and Deida. Juggler method is also very good (charismaarts.com).

[King Kabalabhati]

This is exactly what happened..

 

I realise that Shade is a kinda extreme guy, but he makes so much sense in so many ways. He's powerful, and he's helping others to become powerful. It's not just about sex and relationships, it's about living life in general. After reading (and listening to) his stuff I no longer have the question "what went wrong?".. Almost everything went "wrong" from the beginning.. I chose the "wrong" partner with "wrong" motives, I did all the "wrong moves", I wasn't being a man.. Though of course everything went as it should in a larger context, it was all education and now I'm finally truly motivated to learn from it. And the fruits of that "wrong gone" relationship are of course our beautiful and healthy children. AND I smell good things ahead..

 

So thank you for the recommendation, truly. I'll check out Deida too.

 

King K

 

 

Did you read Shade after I mentioned him in your thread on jealousy? If you did and it resonates that makes me very happy?

 

I think Shade is very good but there is a certain risk of going over board with what he says. There are other dynamics between couples that can work very well but in general and for most women I think what he says is very important.

 

Maybe David Deida could work well for you also. There are a lot of similarities between Shade and Deida. Juggler method is also very good (charismaarts.com).

[markern]

This is exactly what happened..

 

I realise that Shade is a kinda extreme guy, but he makes so much sense in so many ways. He's powerful, and he's helping others to become powerful. It's not just about sex and relationships, it's about living life in general. After reading (and listening to) his stuff I no longer have the question "what went wrong?".. Almost everything went "wrong" from the beginning.. I chose the "wrong" partner with "wrong" motives, I did all the "wrong moves", I wasn't being a man.. Though of course everything went as it should in a larger context, it was all education and now I'm finally truly motivated to learn from it. And the fruits of that "wrong gone" relationship are of course our beautiful and healthy children. AND I smell good things ahead..

 

So thank you for the recommendation, truly. I'll check out Deida too.

 

King K

 

 

Superb. Best of luck:)

[theoddore]

Yeah I know... Well... I just married my current girlfriend. But... the last one I tried to marry, the one I was talking about. She didn't really believe that I would honestly do it though so she broke up with me after she'd been asking me to propose to her for over a years time and I wasn't ready, then when I did, she had already met someone else she felt was mature enough. She felt that she was too old for me, that she would miss the wonderful connection, but she had to sacrifice it for the sake of marriage and a kid she so desperately wanted. So, she is 40 to my 34 now, when we met I was 29. My current wife is 25 going on 26 in a weeks time. So, there is time to train her... LOL!

 

 

I feel for you brother! I'm in that "training" type situation myself. I sometimes wonder why in relationships when the sex is really good like that it never works out? I myself get tired of these "fixer-upper" type situations. I suppose love can grow with careful nurturing all else falls into balance.

 

Whoever said "patience is a virtue" got it wrong--it should be "patience is a b*tch"