mwight Posted July 25, 2008 (edited) It seems the group here is in consensus that if you can feel energy inside of you during meditation its most definitely yang. I remember from the magus of java, that kosta compared yin energy to feel like fullness inside your body. I have been trying to work more with yin and wondering if anyone here has any experience with it, what it feels like, effective ways to gather it etc. Any input is much appreciated. Edited July 25, 2008 by mwight Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phore Posted July 26, 2008 i believe that running the microcosmic orbit backwards runs yin energy. you could also absorb energy from the earth, it is yin. try imagining roots running deep into the earth and energy flowing upward into you kunlun is a yin practice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wun Yuen Gong Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) We do constantly take in Yin and Yang energy, the same as when you are cultivating otherwise we all be dead or very ill! I have something for you come on MSN! Edited July 26, 2008 by Wun Yuen Gong 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ben D Posted July 26, 2008 Stay centered upon the Tau,... ying and yang will come into balance without the need to specifically cultivate one or the other. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteTiger Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) editing because i put the wrong qoute... We do constantly take in Yin and Yang energy, the same as when you are cultivating otherwise we all be dead or very ill! Agreed! But i would like to point out I used to do a practice where you take in what was taught to me as taking in Yang and letting out Yin... But the way my teacher explained it to me which i can not tell weather she was manipulating me with this or not, you take in all, and you let out the stale. When i say stale qi i mean it like river not flowing is stale water. Its bad. Stale water represents not moving or no cultivation often times its seen as Dying, or Death. I mean often times its seen as (represented as such...) dying or something that is dead. Edited July 27, 2008 by WhiteTiger 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerard Posted July 26, 2008 Do quiet Wuji or any other standing stance on the ground (preferably barefoot) and use your intention to absorb Yin energy coming from Earth thorugh your yongquan points to the kidney, then circulate it through the macroscomic orbit channels and sent it back to Earth. Do that several times and finish by gathering chi in your lower tantien. Good luck. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sahaj Nath Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) It seems the group here is in consensus that if you can feel energy inside of you during meditation its most definitely yang. I remember from the magus of java, that kosta compared yin energy to feel like fullness inside your body. I have been trying to work more with yin and wondering if anyone here has any experience with it, what it feels like, effective ways to gather it etc. Any input is much appreciated. train at night, some time between 11pm and 1am. outside. barefoot. static postures. for starters try 4 gates breathing where you're drinking in the earth through you lao gong and yong quan points. you already have a measure of development, so i would suggest that you allow the energy to collect where it naturally tends to collect. it may not be the lower dantien, but when in doubt the lower dantien is fine. be open to learning organically from the practice. the feel of yin will be self-evident. and if you've never worked with it, it could feel a tad disorienting. just go with it. i don't do much yin practice in the summer, but that's just me. see what speaks to you. there are plenty of ways to cultivate yin, but first establish a connection with it. EDIT: okay, i should probably acknowledge the kunlun practice here. i think it's a good way to connect with yin energy, and i think you'll recognize the obvious relation between what you feel when doing the kunlun practice and what you feel at night, barefoot, out doors, drinking in the earth. the kunlun practice just might be a good way to accelerate yin cultivation. Edited July 26, 2008 by Hundun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mwight Posted July 26, 2008 Thanks everyone. I am pretty sure I am working with yin to some degree, but I have heard many times the "if you can feel it, its not yin" mantra being pounded out here in the forums. More than anything I just wanted opinions. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sahaj Nath Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) Thanks everyone. I am pretty sure I am working with yin to some degree, but I have heard many times the "if you can feel it, its not yin" mantra being pounded out here in the forums. More than anything I just wanted opinions. Thanks there's some truth to that statement. most of the time what you feel is either the physical body or the yang energy responding to yin. shaolin wanham has a spontaneous natural flow standing practice that they call 'flowing breeze, swaying willow.' it's very good at inducing strong yin. when your body starts moving, swaying, shaking, or whatever, you can't really feel the energy that's making it happen. you kind of feel like a Ouija board (that's the only way i can think to describe it ). you DO feel the active yang energy, but that's not what's moving you. do some night training. extend your inhalations so that they are longer than your exhalations. and don't try to 'feel' anything. just surrender as you drink with your entire body. just by trying to 'feel' you may end up stimulating yang current, so just let go. gratitude helps. Edited July 26, 2008 by Hundun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sheng zhen Posted July 26, 2008 extend your inhalations so that they are longer than your exhalations. That sounds interesting. Got to try it next time! Ive allways found the in-breath the hardest to regulate. Does longer inhalations bring more yin and longer exhalation bring more yang? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sahaj Nath Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) That sounds interesting. Got to try it next time! Ive allways found the in-breath the hardest to regulate. Does longer inhalations bring more yin and longer exhalation bring more yang? yup. but there are deeper yin cultivation techniques that are far more powerful. this is a good place to start, though. Edited July 26, 2008 by Hundun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rain Posted July 26, 2008 this is so interesting, i always thought the yin and yang was relative and subjective in he end. when I stand still in zhan shuang at first I feel yang, when I start to feel weightless in that same stance and I feel Yin. When I punch I feel yang, but when my fingers breathe I feel Yin. But today I found Voluspa old norse poem that said "the moon, he.. and the sun, she..." eh? cool! wonderful. neverending world of surprises. at least for me. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spectrum Posted July 27, 2008 .03c Tip: The second stage of long breathing practice is to elongate the top and bottom of the changeover in hope of breathing for real. Man Everything Never Tingles Holier Over Length Get it you puzzle slayers? U code breakers? Merkay waters settle to reveal thep layers. Surfing breaks between shadow and light. Life language from deep within. Without. In to much is not enough. Scout. Enough is too much. Shout. Gifts are at foot. Route. Handle gently. Sprout. this is so interesting, i always thought the yin and yang was relative and subjective in he end. when I stand still in zhan shuang at first I feel yang, when I start to feel weightless in that same stance and I feel Yin. When I punch I feel yang, but when my fingers breathe I feel Yin. But today I found Voluspa old norse poem that said "the moon, he.. and the sun, she..." eh? cool! wonderful. neverending world of surprises. at least for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wun Yuen Gong Posted July 27, 2008 Yin extreme can aslo Burn so who knows what we percieve as Yang Chi and Yin Chi! Sometimes opposites attract and you may form emptiness which is where it all lies, Rerturn back to this my friend!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
三江源 Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) . Edited May 29, 2015 by 三江源 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
autopoetic Posted July 30, 2008 Is it possible that different systems of cultivation refer to different things when they talk about yin and yang chi? One type of chi may have active and passive qualities, but there may be other kinds, utilizing other fundamental forces. It seems possible to me that different groups are referring to different aspects of energy as 'yin chi' and 'yang chi', and people navigating between would simply be stuck with a confusion of words. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ben D Posted July 30, 2008 Is it possible that different systems of cultivation refer to different things when they talk about yin and yang chi? One type of chi may have active and passive qualities, but there may be other kinds, utilizing other fundamental forces. It seems possible to me that different groups are referring to different aspects of energy as 'yin chi' and 'yang chi', and people navigating between would simply be stuck with a confusion of words. Not only is it possible, it is the way it is. The reality of the world of ten thousand things is full of deception, the Tao continuously reminds us that the Tao that is described is not the eternal Tao. The allegorical story of the destruction of the tower of Babel is a universal metaphor that explains this. The Truth is beyond words and so one can only ever encourage others to find out 'what and 'who' they really are! The allegorical story of Jesus throwing out the money changers from the temple is explained thus. Jesus taught "know ye not that you are temples of the living God". Your bodies are the incarnate spirit of the transcendent oneness, and to abuse it in the temporary pursuit of money and respect in this world is gross ignorance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteTiger Posted July 30, 2008 Is it possible that different systems of cultivation refer to different things when they talk about yin and yang chi? One type of chi may have active and passive qualities, but there may be other kinds, utilizing other fundamental forces. It seems possible to me that different groups are referring to different aspects of energy as 'yin chi' and 'yang chi', and people navigating between would simply be stuck with a confusion of words. Agreed! It than comes down to understanding the proper catagories of Qi, than Yin Qi, and Yang Qi. than it turns into something more confusing... having to do with Wu Xing chart. Of course don't forget about the 8 trigrams and don't forget about the Hexagrams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spectrum Posted July 31, 2008 (edited) Cross ups wring across, count each words cost. An unmistakable kiss, tasting that boss frost. Small enough to miss, long enough yet lost. Edited July 31, 2008 by Spectrum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rain Posted July 31, 2008 (edited) be sure dilly willy. BECK ; "Modern guilt wont get me to bed". Edited July 31, 2008 by rain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjjbecker Posted July 31, 2008 I have been trying to work more with yin. Why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SFJane Posted August 10, 2008 (edited) for my 100th post I will give you a free secret that I paid almost one thousands dollars to learn. Well, I paid that money to learn nei gung for my spine but I ended up learning this along with everything else. Yin energy cultivation. Why you would want it. You want Yin energy because you have convinced yourself for whatever reason, that you do not have enough. or you just want to learn everything there possibly is know about chi and to do that, you need a concrete knowledge of yin chi, what it is, how to get it, how to feel it etc in other words curiosity there have been said a few things that could help breathing into your palms and soles while extending the inhale, yea that will do something if you want real yin energy and you want control of it than you have to work really hard yang energy is vastly easier to cultivate until...until you know the trick to yin energy to understand yin energy look really carefully at image of black holes and galaxies. look carefully at the spiral in a flower as it opens and closes itself look carefully at the small whirlpools that come and go in a swiftly running river look carefully at the coil of a snail shell or a snake now ask your self how do you swallow? how do you eat? how do you hold your bladder? how do you hold back flatulence? what is the nature of a sphincter? look at the mechanism of your own anus with a mirror ask yourself, how do I blink? how does the blood flow at all? how do you inhale? how do you pucker your lips or suck fluid through a straw? all of that is yin manifest suddenly it will become amazingly clear like in the movie Pi the spiral is everywhere and runs everything look at a tornado as it lifts a house (footage on youtube) how? there are several practices I know that will cultivate yin reverse breathing with long inhales closing the body cavities with intent sucking water through a tube into your bowel or colon deliberately the roll back posture of tai chi the sinking of the elbows in hsin yi clockwise circle walking yin is gravity it is a sinking pulling withdrawing softening sucking sensation in the body it can be cool to feel it it is absorbing chi the bone breathing process, on the inhale and inward spiral is a yin practice breathing inward into your skin from every direction is yin cultivation last winter, end of 07 beginning of 08 or something there was a thread about sexual practices or something where I talked about tantra, energy vampirism, anal sex and a bunch of other weird shit I said that in order to be penetrated pleasantly you must surrender your body inward into yourself and literally allow it to happen at an energetic level, with practice you can facilitate it and even draw a phallus into yourself just by sucking it into your body you can drain a male of his yang energy easily if you keep him like that its like a black hole eating a sun if you do it right you can make a lover weak in the entire body for a time. you can cultivate yin in sex, sitting, breathing, chi gung, nei gung, tai chi and ba gua you can pull someone off their root in push hands with it very gently or strongly you can feel it in the tide when you are knee deep in the ocean and it pulls you almost off your feet as it goes out the yin phases of tai chi are perhaps the best way to get it from an all in one point of view that is what yin is, how you get it and what you can do with it ok 3:58 am in SF.. time to go do some standing outside in the park..bbl to chat more bums Edited August 10, 2008 by SFJane 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seadog Posted August 10, 2008 One evening I attended a qigong healing session in a small flat run by a chinese man and his wife.Hands down he was the healhtiest looking human I have ever seen absoutely radiated energy,really cooked the room.After a couple intresting hours it was time to leave, upon walking out the door I accidently rubbed shoulders with his wife. I can only describe the sensation of being in contact with her as complete envelopement. Her softness seemed without end.My body felt as though it been sucked into black hole. Instantly I realized two things The candle is no match for the candle stick holder And know the male but cling to the female. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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mjjbecker Posted August 10, 2008 that is what yin is, how you get it and what you can do with it Thank you for another interesting post SF Jane . In reference to Mo Pai neigong, yin chi is something different. I expect each school has its own terminology for yin chi. How to get it, what it feels like, etc. I don't want to comment on. My views about studying with a good teacher I have already commented on more than once. Also, in reference to the Mo Pai, I absolutely do not want to encourage ANYONE to try the neigong method. Best, Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites