Is pornography bad for your qi?

[Cameron]

I know most guys watch porn and get off and no big deal. but as qigong is the foundation of my life I want to be aware of the energetic ramifactions of all that I do and allow into my qi field. I remember the first time I saw hardcore porn was when I was in elementary school. Our hoursekeeper lived on the first floor of my house in Westchester. I had some friends over..I was probably like 12..and we went down into her room for some reason and I somehow started going through her drawers and then somehow stumbled upon this video and then somehow me and my friends were watching this girl take it in the pussy and the ass

 

This was before I had even ever mastrubated but I was basically addicted to porn from that point. I am not a real addict I doubt I watch more porn than your average married guy with an internet conenction but I have people send me emails with porn all the time. It got to the point where people I know or family members that I know are just sending porn I delete there emails without reading them!

 

Ok..what is the point of this post? I have noticed a pretty unpleasent qi after i watch pornography. Now that I am accutely aware of my qi sensations it seems porn is bad for my qi somehow .I dont'e ven eman ejaculatin just wathcing aporno..it starts of pleasent..the jing gets aroused and stars flowing up into my body/brain. If feels nice and I am like cool..porn is goof for qi! Then I notice aFTER I watch the porn, the movie is voer, I have other things to do..I almost immedietly have the nice tingly sexual sensations turn into almost pure crap .It's gross actually. Obviously sexual cultivation is about being with a partner and exchanging or sharing sexual energy in a loving and open way so maybe that has something to do with it. I don't know. I guess I should just not watch porn.

[el_tortugo]

i would say dont be lookin at porn.

 

i agree on that fucked up feeling..... its like some kind of trick.

 

 

there was a time in my life when i was truely celibate..... to the point of almost controlling the dreams too.... no leakage.... almost.... if only i knew qigong back then.

 

i was for so long and at an important time of development that i think thats why i look much younger than i am..... most people usually guess 5 to 10 years too young.....

 

 

and now that ive scraped celibacy im glad to have found qigong to hopefuly charge me up...... though lately due to some relationship and life changes and turmoils ive been stepping back to the celibacy.... id like to do 3 years idealy but i dunno. thats quite a commitment.

 

it certainly frees up your mind and time though once you have made that decision....

 

its funny socialy too.... the ladies either think you are gay or stuck up and dont like them.....

[GrandTrinity]

yeah porn is mad addicting. it also depletes jing.

 

fuck, it depletes chi and shen too. kidney chi and all the other chis.

 

Then when you try to meet a girl your subconscious is like, wtf am i doing? i cant pick up hoz, i watch mad porn! fuck!

 

we got to master our sex drives and find a "10 out of 10" girl to get married to, and then we will be enlightened.

 

ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE IN DA CHI FIELD MY FRIENDS. ANYTHING

 

watch what thoughts arise when you think of sex. master the biofeedback loop between sex, the body and the mind.

 

Smile to your penis

 

And most of all, feelthe pulsation in sync of your nuts with your 3rd eye (which look kinda like nuts) to produce the MYSTIC ELIXIR.

 

WOO WOO

[farooq]

Yup, I admit that i had a secret mild obsession with porn

 

and yeah i would feel bad afterwards.

 

but surprisingly the attraction was snuffed out of me without me really trying to stop.

 

i had always wanted to do the hajj pilgramage and last year i finally did.

 

when i came back i had no inclination whatsoever to view porn.

 

 

some how it just let go

 

[Yoda]

Carpe... Carpe Penum! -Dead Poets Society.

 

It depends... kidneys dig porn, but the heart doesn't care for the hardcore stuff.

 

-Yoda

[SheepishLord]

The real problem with porn is that it damages your mind by lighting fires that cannot be put out. Porn shows you reality. The reality of the desire realm.

[voice]

Porn is infested with low astral entities. When you look at the pictures, they promise you all kinds of shit. You lose your load, they gobble it up, and leave you alone and low.

 

And, if you don't come, they torment you with all your favorite fantasies!

 

And, that is all a level to work through.

 

Chris

[el_tortugo]

The real problem with porn is that it damages your mind by lighting fires that cannot be put out.  Porn shows you reality.  The reality of the desire realm.

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the desire of being and becoming.

[Trunk]

Yup.

[MatthewQi]

My opinion is that the aweful feeling afterwords is basically guilt which one conditions themselve in response to cultural attitudes about sex and one then associates with the feeling of jing "loss" prior to having integrated jing, chi, shen. Porn, sex, masterbation is a bitch to overcome. But understand that it is the attachment that must be overcome. Once this is done, you can use it as fuel. Harnessing the sexual energy can lead to a quick or potentially dangerous awakening. "Mind" training is critical but it doesn't mean that you have to give any of these things up, but, the Master must rule the servant otherwise your fucked. Some people will have to do it the hard way and many traditions teach this. One teaches that if you do not ejaculate for 12 years, Source will come to you. I actually know a guy who did this. Personally, I think that was a waste of 12 years and I know personally that it doesn't have to take that long. You have to give it up in your heart and then you can partake and use it to your advantage if you should choose to do so. Then eventually, there may come a time when you can drop the practice becuase you have integrated and realized a deeper aspect of being that is "available" without retention. You can blow away if you want to. A scarcity mindset may be beneficial in the short term but is detrimental in the long term and very ego based. Becuase now you become attached to retention while taking your eye of the "goal".

 

Well, I hope that provides some things to consider. Give yourself first to Tao (not sex, not practice, not porn, etc.) and then everything else falls into place and if that means you watch porn or whatever, it don't mean a ting! then you can enjoy it and not feel bad about it or experience any loss. The loss is in your Mind

 

Matt

[peter falk]

this discussion is primarily about porn as a tool of sexual fulfillment or desire.

 

there'santoher purpose to porn: humor. sometimes it's just hysterical. i believe this is ok, even beneficial. there is no attachment to the image(s) in sexual sense. instead, you view them as a representation of some human foible or revelatio of human nature. porn is not completely evil. think of those emails you get that had you cracking up.

 

there is a deeper question we can explore here. What is the difference between porn and ertoicism, and how do you know which one you're looking at? what is the difference between greek sculpture, renaissance art, the kama sutra, and penthouse, scat, or hogtie magazine? is one elevating sexuality and the human form while the other is debasing it? are there any real objective standards for determining this?

 

you could also get into (and i think we;ve discussed this b4) how fetish fits into alchemical cultivation. do need your girlfriend to wear boots and miniskirts b4 you get it on, tie her up, cover her with food, dress up like a japanese school girl, shit in her mouth? ltos of peoploe have some kind of fetish, many have more than one. are they blocks to cultivation or stimulants to get it started? where do they come from? should they be worked out by working with the shen? or should we just accept them as normal and dismiss mral judgments against them?

 

yeah, this topic brings up a lot of questions........shit i never think about of course

[peter falk]

A scarcity mindset may be beneficial in the short term but is detrimental in the long term and very ego based. Becuase now you become attached to retention smile.gif while taking your eye of the "goal".

 

BINGO!!!

 

"when the process is finished, abandon the process."

--tom brown, jr. (a guy from new jersey)

[spyrelx]

There's no question porn is depleting. It may help to think of those pictures as hungry ghosts or low astral beings out for your jing. I mean, could you invent a better hungry ghost than an image that appears over the internet and steals your energy?

 

The other way to look at porn is that it's a drug. A number of people used the term "addiction" loosely but it is accurate. I mean, how long can you go without looking at it? And how much does it gnaw at you?

 

Just ask yourself how you would feel if every time you looked at porn you were instead doing a few shots of burbon or a few lines of coke. You'd probably say "I've got a big problem" and check yourself into rehab. I'm not sure porn is all that different.

[RON JEREMY]

BULSHIT!!!

 

DA BAD THANG BE EJACCULLATION. IF YA DONT SPRAY YER JUICE NO REAL PERMANNENT HARM CAN DERRIVE FROM WATCHIN ANYTHANG. OF COURSE YA CAN LOSE ENNERGY FROMSIMPLY WATCHIN TOO MUCH BUT THAT BE A TINNY FRACTION NOT ONLY, BUT AN INFINNITELY LESS FUNDAMMENTAL KINDA ENNERGY, CUM-PARRED TO WHAT YA LOSE WHEN YA EJACCULLATTE.

 

DA WAY TO USE PR0N BE FOR LIMMIETED-TIME-WATCHED AMMOUNTS O TIME IN ORDER TO DO SOLO CULTIVVATION. THEN YA HAVE TO DEVVOTE TIME TO CIRCULATE DA RAW CHING SO AWAKKENED ELSE IT'LL TRY TO RUNAWAY.

 

DA NEGGATIVE PSYCCHILOGGICAL EFECTS O PR0N BE ONLY TEMPORRARRY PROVVIDED YA DONT EJACCULLATTE. THAT BE AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

 

DA EXCEPTION TO DA ABOVE BE WACHIN GAY PR0N LIKE SHIEKKY DO. NOW THAT BE DEAD WRONG IN *ANNY* CASE.

 

BYE NOW.

 

 

RJ

[spyrelx]

BULSHIT!!!]

 

I disagree. Certainly watching porn and ejaculating is worse than watching it and not ejaculating. But looking at it, whatever other practices you do, is, I believe, ultimately depleting -- in a very big way. The very act of looking --- oogling, slathering -- over it pulls energy away from you.

 

All you have to do is compare the porn experience to the love making experience, or even the porn experience to non-porn single cultivation and you can feel the difference.

 

Also, you didn't address the other issue I brought up, which is the drug like addictive nature of porn. Anything addictive depletes you. In very subtle but powerful and long term ways. Try to go a month without porn and see how well you handle it. I bet you can drop alcohol and pot easier than you can live without porn. In my experience porn is akin to cigarettes in its addictiveness (and in it's ubiquity -- it's everywhere and virtually unavoidable, a very tough drug to quit).

[el_tortugo]

BULSHIT!!!]

 

I disagree. Certainly watching porn and ejaculating is worse than watching it and not ejaculating. But looking at it, whatever other practices you do, is, I believe, ultimately depleting -- in a very big way. The very act of looking --- oogling, slathering -- over it pulls energy away from you.

 

All you have to do is compare the porn experience to the love making experience, or even the porn experience to non-porn single cultivation and you can feel the difference.

 

Also, you didn't address the other issue I brought up, which is the drug like addictive nature of porn. Anything addictive depletes you. In very subtle but powerful and long term ways. Try to go a month without porn and see how well you handle it. I bet you can drop alcohol and pot easier than you can live without porn. In my experience porn is akin to cigarettes in its addictiveness (and in it's ubiquity -- it's everywhere and virtually unavoidable, a very tough drug to quit).

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i could take it or leave it.... agreed though that its pretty much a waste of time

 

....or is it?

 

what about erotica?

[Cameron]

Let's all just agree that a real live woman is going to be better than porn on most every occasion. Even if she's not as hot as the porn chicks there is much more to it than that anyhoo.

 

C'Money

[RON JEREMY]

BULSHIT!!!]

 

I disagree. Certainly watching porn and ejaculating is worse than watching it and not ejaculating. But looking at it, whatever other practices you do, is, I believe, ultimately depleting -- in a very big way. The very act of looking --- oogling, slathering -- over it pulls energy away from you.

 

All you have to do is compare the porn experience to the love making experience, or even the porn experience to non-porn single cultivation and you can feel the difference.

 

Also, you didn't address the other issue I brought up, which is the drug like addictive nature of porn. Anything addictive depletes you. In very subtle but powerful and long term ways. Try to go a month without porn and see how well you handle it. I bet you can drop alcohol and pot easier than you can live without porn. In my experience porn is akin to cigarettes in its addictiveness (and in it's ubiquity -- it's everywhere and virtually unavoidable, a very tough drug to quit).

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HOW DARE YA POLE SMOKER CUM-TRADICT *DA NOTTORIOUS*???

ONCE MORE YA MAKE POOR DISPLAY O YERSELF, YA FELCHER!!!

YER REASONIN SHOW A TOTTAL LACK O PRINCIPPALS, YA DOTTARD!!

 

ALL THAT EXIST MUST HAVE SUM DEGGREE O YANG IN IT. BECCAUSE IN ORDER TO BECCOME IMMORTAL ONE MUST DISTILL PURE YANG, THEN YA CAN EXTRACT PURE YANG IN PRINCIPLE FROM ANNYTHANG THAT EXIST. PURE YIN CANNOT EXIST IN DA MANNIFESTED WORLD. BUT YA BE TRYIN TO SAY THAT NATTURAL ENTITTIES LIKE PR0N OR DOPE BE PURE YIN. BUT THAT BE *IMPOSIBLE* BECCAUSE THEY WOULD *NOT* MANNIFEST TO YER SENSES IF THEY WERE SUCH.

SO THEY ARE A MIX O YIN N YANG. SO IF YA BE SKILLED YA CAN EXTRACT DA PURE YANG DA SAME WAY YA EXTRACT DA SCENT FROM A FLOWER WITHOUT HAVIN TO RIP DA FLOWER OFF DA PLANT. BUT IF YA BE UNSKILED ANIMAL , THEN YA HAVE NO APRECIATION FOR DA SCeNT BUT YA RIP OFF DA FLOWER FROM DA PLANT N A GUSH O POISON STRIKE YA IN DA SALLAMI N TURN YA INTO A GOAT SHAGIN CATTAMITE.

 

 

THAT WHICH LURE IN PR0N AS WELL AS IN DA FEMALE SHAPES N PUSY ETC BE A BAIT. BUT WHAT EVER BE A BAIT? A BAIT BE SUMTHANG GOOD N TASTY. SO A BAIT STILL CUMTAIN SUMTHANG O VALUE, WHICH IF YA BE SKILLED YA CAN STEAL FROM DA FISHERMAN. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHO EVVER BE DA TARGET O DA BAIT?

 

NOW NOW, THAT BE YER OWN CHI. SO DA PR0N BE A BAIT FOR YER CHING CHI. SO FINE, IF YA BE FASTER THAN DA FISHERMAN, AS SOON AS YER CHING CHI GET STIRED TOWARD DA BAIT, YA SEIZE IT LIGHTNING FAST N BEND DA BAIT TO *YER* OWN PURPOSE, THERREAFTER, YA ALSO STEAL DA BAIT ITSELF N STICK A FAT TURD ONTO DA FISHERMAN'S HOOK N FLIP HIM DA BIRD.

 

SO IF YA KNOW WHAT YA BE DOIN YA CAN DISTILL GOLD FROM SHIT, BUT IF YA DONT, YALL TURN GOLD ITSELF INTO SHIT, POLE SMOKER.

 

RONNIETSU MAHALINGAM

[SheepishLord]

BUT IF YA DONT, YALL TURN GOLD ITSELF INTO SHIT, POLE SMOKER.

 

Dude, that is the funniest shit I read all weekend.

 

My experience is that porn is destructive only because it encourages the mind to dwell.

[spyrelx]

SO IF YA KNOW WHAT YA BE DOIN YA CAN DISTILL GOLD FROM SHIT, BUT IF YA DONT, YALL TURN GOLD ITSELF INTO SHIT, POLE SMOKER.

 

RONNIETSU MAHALINGAM

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That's a great rationalization for an additction. But that's what it is Ronnie boy. Sure, if you know what you're doing, you can spin health out of crack. Sure ya can. You're not addicted. It's not wasting you. You've got it all under control.

 

Good luck pulling your pod.

[peter falk]

Let's all just agree that a real live woman is going to be better than porn on most every occasion. Even if she's not as hot as the porn chicks there is much more to it than that anyhoo.

 

C'Money

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almost every occasion. i woke up one morning and realized it wasn't!

 

but that's antoher story....

[GrandTrinity]

in the end, its a balance

 

I think porn is good and bad, yin and yang, but you can make it all good by not letting it impurify your energy--pure yang.

 

If you find a way to do that, then let me know!

[90_1494798740]

Found just another input to the pornography discussion on the pages of the Kundalini Support Network. It's an article by Anqelique Serpent: Magical Ethics: The Power of Thought. I think the whole article is worth reading - it brings up so many topics. The part about about pornography reads like this:

"Black magic" is basically defined by whether it is manipulative, coercive, and disrespectful of the free will of the individual.

 

Do not have sexual fantasies about another person without their consent! On a higher level, these fantasies are real, and so it is like "Spiritual rape" to be enjoying someone without asking first. Love spells are unethical, and if the person wakes up from the spell their anger will be wholly justified.

 

Notice, how many porn stars have tragic or unfortunate lives? This is the effect of so much sexual energy and desires being sent their way by those who enjoy sexual fantasies while looking at their pictures. All that energy aimed at them... not just sexual energy, but also frustration, guilt, rage, depression... whatever emotional baggage is plaguing the one fantasizing. The fantasy is consensual in that they have set themselves up for it, as an icon of desire, but generally, they are not aware or equipped to handle the result. Not all, some artists can handle the energy better than others... but it is unethical, don't do it. Focus on your own Divine Beloved instead, let it lead you through a fantasy.

[DalTheJigsaw123]

I have the experience and it's terrible for Qi. I feel depleted and empty afterwards. When I was younger, I had no problem to energize myself, but as I get older it's becoming harder and harder to re-energize afterwards.

[Seeker of Wisdom]

Porn has noticeable negative effects. Just to look at only one factor, the mind isn't adapted to seeing such a constant accessible stream of unrealistic sexual material.

 

So many guys now are getting addicted to it; unable to get turned on in a real relationship with a real woman doing real sex; and watching more and more niche/extreme stuff to get the same buzz, until eventually they find themselves spending 10 hours a day watching midgets in leather get raped anally by Elmo from Sesame Street while sucking off Batman upside down.