Wang Liping in Denmark

[seadog]

looking forward to it.

[Huguito]

This is really good news.

Edited July 17, 2009 by Huguito

[r.w.smith]

It seems that Master Wang is a very materialistic person. Why should He charge Others for something that was given to Him freely. Any Teacher who charges is not worth learning from in my opinion. I just spoke with a 15 Year student of Master wang who cannot do anything after all this time. I personally feel that David verdesi has something to do with this price & has corrupted Wang with money. David ought to know something,Because someday, somewhere, somebody is going to do something about Him. I dont know why some Ex students have not had the B#### to come forward & voice their concerns.

 

Kiss Wang goodbye,Another teacher fallen by the wayside.

 

Disgusted Taobum.

[Pero]

Yeah he didn't have to give anything at all for it. Just practice all the time, die a few times, listen and follow everything exactly that his teachers said. Nothing to give at all...

[r.w.smith]

Oh the excuses people come out with. The fact is if he was genuinly concerned about helping fellow man (like he claims) he wouldnt be charging ok. Look i can understand charging maybe a little,But these prices are ridiculous no matter what anybody says.

[松永道]

Oh the excuses people come out with. The fact is if he was genuinly concerned about helping fellow man (like he claims) he wouldnt be charging ok. Look i can understand charging maybe a little,But these prices are ridiculous no matter what anybody says.

 

How do you propose he gets to Denmark? Do the airlines charge spiritual masters for airline seats? Where should he stay? Where should he teach? Are hotel rooms and conference centers free for spiritual masters? Though he may only need a little food, how shall he feed his family? Who feeds the family of a spiritual master? How should he send his son to college? Do they make special concessions for the children of spiritual masters?

 

And who's to say he's not using this money to help those who have none?

 

My teacher works as a Doctor, he charges some patients quite a bit of money, other patients he treats for free. Why can he afford to treat some people for free? Because he charges a lot to those who can more than afford it.

 

Traditionally students in China gave spent an average of three years proving their dedication before they actually learned something. You have to give something of value to get something of value. The offering has always been symbolic, emotional, and physical.

 

I'm not condoning this behavior, I wouldn't pay it, but I also don't claim to understand the reason behind the behavior. It could be greed. Or it could be something else entirely.

[r.w.smith]

Im sure the Students would be more then happy to chip in & pay for his Airfare, Accomadation, Meals, Etc. Fine. But all these classes have a minimum requirement of students before the Master will come. Why ? Money.

 

I think Students would be more then happy to travel to China & offer a small donation instead of paying the large fees Demanded by Masters on overseas holidays & sightseeing adventures. Somebody mentioned a seminar held in russia by wang recently. i think there was 34 students at 10 thousand a pop. If So well thats over half a million dollars (340 thousand to be exact) and He runs dozens of seminars per year. so it totals into the millions. Now dont tell me that his travel & accomadation,time off work, cost that much. most decent people dont even make that much in a lifetime. Once again Its all about money.

 

And if students decide to do the training,then they too must go through the same proccess as all the other masters, paying with their own blood sweat & tears,Time away from family, etc. surely that is a large enough price to pay.

 

All this crap about taoist masters wanting to help mankind is total B.S, save but a few. You people like to quote so often that this is from God/Buddah. You really think God want to charge money for this knowledge. From what i have seen these so called enlightened masters have turned out to be the most selfish materailistic people i have ever encountered in my life.

 

Sorry dude,but your lame excuses & hard luck stories dont cut it here.

[styrofoamdog]

r.w. smith makes some compelling points. I'd also like to add that I find it strange that Wang Liping's teachers were of the "secret enlightened wandering master / hermit" variety, as this is often a cover for people who have no lineage, or less-than-impressive lineage. These teachers may exist, but between the ethereal teachers, the published book touting him, and supposed $10k seminars, something doesn't quite add up.

 

He may very well be the real deal, but I'm not sure I would risk $10k on a seminar when he may not be. After all, it's only a seminar. It's not like the guy is going to hand the keys to enlightenment over to you, and the guy standing next to you with the khaki shorts and the camera hanging from his neck.

Edited August 4, 2008 by styrofoamdog

[mantis]

Edited August 4, 2008 by mantis

[r.w.smith]

Well i have just been informed that the upcoming seminars are a little over $2000. Still way too high ! Not sure about the fees in denmark,But that one should be a cracker if any of davids students are involved.

 

Somebody on here said the russian seminar was roughly 10 grand. What do people expect to get from this seminar when a 15 year student is incapable of producing anything. To be honest i was almost sick when i saw all those students sitting cross legged like school children & staring at master wang with such awe. for gods sake take some dignity & pride in yourself man. Most looked like a bunch of retards anyway that you wouldnt even talk to in the street.

 

A bottle of water on the table,and a chalk board behind him. How un-traditional & commercial can one get. Eveything taught in those 10 day seminars could be explained in a few hours at the very most.

 

Waste of time,Money & effort.

[松永道]

 

All this crap about taoist masters wanting to help mankind is total B.S, save but a few. You people like to quote so often that this is from God/Buddah. You really think God want to charge money for this knowledge. From what i have seen these so called enlightened masters have turned out to be the most selfish materailistic people i have ever encountered in my life.

 

Sorry dude,but your lame excuses & hard luck stories dont cut it here.

 

Cut it where? In your reality bubble?

 

You really think God would want to charge money for the fruits and vegetables we eat?

 

Maybe we're not even seeing the bigger picture. If I had Wang's skill, I would charge a bundle now so that I could start schools and philanthropies. Why limit the scope of your teachings to the relatively few people you can meet in person? Also, people with more money almost always have more influence in society. You might call it trickle-down enlightenomics. Fix the rich and their newfound benevolence will naturally trickle-down to the poor.

 

Another potential reason: people who can afford to attend are likely to have their life in basic working order. In order to achieve this practice you need willpower and ability to solve problems. If you're not even willing to endure the hardship of getting this money together, how will you possibly endure the hardship of the practice? Now according to Sean D, David lets some people attend without paying, if this is true, I'm certain that they have proved their dedication in other ways.

 

A third reason: greed. As far as I can tell he's worked harder for his skill than any rich business man has worked. So, why can't he be wealthy? Because it's a spiritual practice? What does that even mean? As far as I can tell it's a practice that develops the body and mind. It's a way of power. A lot of people charge for these.

 

 

 

Now like I said, I don't agree, but as I'm not enlightened, I can't pretend to know the mind of someone who might be. And here, if you really want to be honest with yourself, you've got to question if your idealized version of what spirituality is really meshes with the reality.

[Uncle Fester]

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Edited September 19, 2021 by darebak

[r.w.smith]

Darebak of course you would say those things because You are a Moron to begin with.

 

If its about spreading it to the Masses Then little or no charge would surely attract many more Students. Maybe a few Rotten Eggs may slip in ,But on the Overall it will do more Good Then Harm. And to say only those with Money are responisible enough to recieve the teachings - simply proves the Idiocy of Your Comments & Narrow Mind !

 

You will find that almost all Great Gurus/Teachers came from very poor backgrounds. Not little rich kids who were born with a golden spoon in their mouth.

 

Heres a Quote for you too ,

 

Trust In Those Who are Seeking The Truth:Doubt Those Who Find It.

[seadog]

Well i have just been informed that the upcoming seminars are a little over $2000. Still way too high ! Not sure about the fees in denmark,But that one should be a cracker if any of davids students are involved.

 

Somebody on here said the russian seminar was roughly 10 grand. What do people expect to get from this seminar when a 15 year student is incapable of producing anything. To be honest i was almost sick when i saw all those students sitting cross legged like school children & staring at master wang with such awe. for gods sake take some dignity & pride in yourself man. Most looked like a bunch of retards anyway that you wouldnt even talk to in the street.

 

A bottle of water on the table,and a chalk board behind him. How un-traditional & commercial can one get. Eveything taught in those 10 day seminars could be explained in a few hours at the very most.

 

Waste of time,Money & effort.

You know some of the most open,compassionate,honest and truthful people I have ever met are so called "retards".

Becarefull some of lifes lessons can be very hard.

[de_paradise]

rw smith, there is an insult policy on this forum if you hadnt noticed, so you can use your imagination to express you ego/emotionally driven points of views in other ways. your objections about price have occured to most of us anyway, you dont need to save us from spending too much money.

 

as far as the seminar price goes, maybe there will be a time in the future where authentic cultivation teachings will be in high demand, and people care less about their fancy cars and stuff.

 

jeez, I cant believe there is still people critcizing Max's "commercialism" For those of you that have done this, please bite your tongue hard now.

[Uncle Fester]

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Edited September 19, 2021 by darebak

[joeblast]

It seems that Master Wang is a very materialistic person. Why should He charge Others for something that was given to Him freely. Any Teacher who charges is not worth learning from in my opinion. I just spoke with a 15 Year student of Master wang who cannot do anything after all this time. I personally feel that David verdesi has something to do with this price & has corrupted Wang with money. David ought to know something,Because someday, somewhere, somebody is going to do something about Him. I dont know why some Ex students have not had the B#### to come forward & voice their concerns.

 

Kiss Wang goodbye,Another teacher fallen by the wayside.

 

Disgusted Taobum.

if only you had any clue or even god forbid some training experience about the subject, you certainly wouldnt have that opinion. who's materialistic, clutching the small bit they have? master wang lives far more simply than 99% of us.

[松永道]

 

You will find that almost all Great Gurus/Teachers came from very poor backgrounds. Not little rich kids who were born with a golden spoon in their mouth.

 

 

Really?

 

Buddha was the crown prince of one of the richest kingdoms on earth at the time. He was in want of nothing material. He had everything and as such he knew everywhere enlightenment wasn't.

 

Unless you choose the life of a vagrant saint, cultivation requires enough money to give you the freedom and time to practice.

 

But on the subject of free practices, there are plenty available. I'm certain they contain the same seeds of enlightenment. However, still not so many people pay attention. It's a facet of our psychology, don't ask me why, but most people only value what they have to pay for. The internet is loaded with free practices from good teachers, but so many people think free = rubbish.

 

As whatever you're practicing now doesn't exactly seem to be flourishing into your pleasant disposition, may I suggest a practice, absolutely free, an expressway to liberation, developed by the Buddha himself? Check out Vipassana. S.N. Goenka seems about as saintly as modern men come.

 

Amazing isn't it? How there seems to be a path out there to suit just about anyone. Fees for the folks who need a financial commitment to solidify their will and free for those who have the time to commit. Should you expect every teacher to approach the Dao from one angle, how fragile that way would be. Today's news warns what happens when too many people tread one spiritual path.

[mjjbecker]

Really?

 

Buddha was the crown prince of one of the richest kingdoms on earth at the time. He was in want of nothing material. He had everything and as such he knew everywhere enlightenment wasn't.

 

Unless you choose the life of a vagrant saint, cultivation requires enough money to give you the freedom and time to practice.

 

But on the subject of free practices, there are plenty available. I'm certain they contain the same seeds of enlightenment. However, still not so many people pay attention. It's a facet of our psychology, don't ask me why, but most people only value what they have to pay for. The internet is loaded with free practices from good teachers, but so many people think free = rubbish.

 

As whatever you're practicing now doesn't exactly seem to be flourishing into your pleasant disposition, may I suggest a practice, absolutely free, an expressway to liberation, developed by the Buddha himself? Check out Vipassana. S.N. Goenka seems about as saintly as modern men come.

 

Amazing isn't it? How there seems to be a path out there to suit just about anyone. Fees for the folks who need a financial commitment to solidify their will and free for those who have the time to commit. Should you expect every teacher to approach the Dao from one angle, how fragile that way would be. Today's news warns what happens when too many people tread one spiritual path.

 

A very wise post. Thank you.

 

One thought though. Do we get to choose our path? The more I experience life, the more I think not.

 

Best,

 

Mike

[styrofoamdog]

If the seminar is $2000, I think that's a pretty reasonable price.

 

Also, I think people should calm down and be reasonable about this. We don't know a lot about Wang Liping. His book and reputation make some pretty bold claims, and I think we're all just trying to learn more about the guy and what he teaches. Let's give it some time and keep our minds open to the possibilities, but grounded in reality. Drawing conclusions before we have the facts is irresponsible and unfair.

[mantis]

there hasn't been anything confimed, until the website posts the price it's just speculating

[sheng zhen]

Full lotus is out. To be an enlightened master we need to be poor!

[Fire Dragon]

Hello

 

Funny enough the posts of one of our times greatest spiritual masters, if you should believe in the book "makinf of a modern wizard..", is about 99% about money and perhaps the rest abuot hes teaching.

 

LOL

 

 

F D

[Hugo_M]

[mantis]

destiny