Wang Liping in Denmark

[Aetherous]

Davids finished Now for sure.

 

[宁]

Davids finished Now for sure.

 

I don't want to sound too confident and arrogant, but if I wanted that, it could be done in a couple of days.

How?

By posting a letter exchange that took place between David and myself, a couple of months ago, after the so called level 4 attainment.

That would for surely make people start boiling their noodles... )

 

I didn't want to do that then, and I don't want to do it now either... not yet at least.

And only in respect to Wang Liping.

If WL thinks DS is a good and valuable resource for him, I will keep quiet, simple as that.

If it turns out WL is not that close or content with DS, I'll let the people know.

 

And I don't worry about the consequences that this act would imply on me.

 

I take responsibility for all that I wrote above.

 

[Adam West]

So, based on that letter exchange, without giving anything away, what is your conclusion? Is David a fraud, is he full of BS, is he legit, does he accurately represent himself and Wang etc? What say you?

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

[gendao]

^ From what I gather in this (and I could be totally wrong):

I don't want to sound too confident and arrogant, but if I wanted that, it could be done in a couple of days.

How?

By posting a letter exchange that took place between David and myself, a couple of months ago, after the so called level 4 attainment.

That would for surely make people start boiling their noodles... )

 

I didn't want to do that then, and I don't want to do it now either... not yet at least.

And only in respect to Wang Liping.

If WL thinks DS is a good and valuable resource for him, I will keep quiet, simple as that.

If it turns out WL is not that close or content with DS, I'll let the people know.

 

And I don't worry about the consequences that this act would imply on me.

 

I take responsibility for all that I wrote above.

 

- DSV's alleged level 4 attainment may be somewhat questionable?

- DSV may possibly have misrepresented or overstated some things about his attainment or relationship with WLP?

- Little1 has been withholding such disclosures in case WLP does consider DSV to be some sort of esteemed disciple - as it would not be "respectful" to discredit such an "accepted disciple?"

 

Perhaps I read too much into this, but regardless, thank you for your frank input here, Little1. I think the truth sets all sentient beings free in the long run though. And so overrides any need to protect falsehood.

 

Besides, Heaven will always find it's own way, anyways... Like, I know some guy whose pineal's been opening and skull plates shifting, with no dedicatd effort or formal training at all.

[宁]

the Chinese seem to have a complicated hold on how truth and fact can be handled

 

that is why i can, at least in part, can understand what DS did and does, and why his collaboration is still going on

 

i'm not at all interested in proving anything right or wrong or otherwise

 

and if you call yourself daoists, you should know better than searching for the absolute truth be it on a simple matter like is DS a fraud or not

 

no, vortex, i'm not entering your game. it's not my school, i have no interest in bashing anyone

 

only if you call bashing a simple exposure of... information

 

as i said, i am expecting a sequel, and depending on that, i will or will not go on with my intent

 

why do i do it? i wont comment on that

 

for the record, i'm won't expose anything to anyone yet, and am not or ever was one of WL or DS's student

 

i think these will respond also to the PM's i received

 

thanks, and let's leave it that way - lets see how it all turns out

Edited August 29, 2008 by Little1

[Pietro]

Pietro,

 

please check out a later thread titled "Wand Liping makes a statement." You may want to re-evaluate the odds.

 

Thank you Taomeow. I have read it at the time, and considered it.

 

But I also have seen DS other time jump in the dark just following his sixth sense. Plus it is not impossible that WL has a cover story and an overt (is this how is it spelled?) story.

 

But maybe you could offer a better bet.

Or accept my bet if you think it is so favorable.

 

Regards,

Pietro

[RFunaki]

Please, little1. Share. I find it odd that secrecy is criticized often on this forum, yet you seem to be dangling information for some other purpose.

 

This wouldn't have anything to do to with a once interested member of the foundation forum that was banned, would it? One thing I have found pretty consistent is, with most (not all, most) - most all of those opposed to David, were once very interested - but were turned away because:

1) They couldn't get the info for free

2) They firmly believed in another system that wasn't "compatible" and it arose the possibility of difficult truths.

 

Please, little1. Any new information that we do not know would be great. I am a student of David's, and I whole heartedly would like to hear what you have to say. Just please, no games.

Edited August 30, 2008 by RFunaki

[宁]

please Rick, have a little patience. let's wait and see how it all turns out. maybe after november will talk again about it. if it all turns out well, it means it's not rellevant anyway.

 

thanks for understanding

 

L1

[Viktor Siao]

[Hugo_M]

on google translation i get this:

 

What I did not eat at a seminar in Denmark, no relation to spoof their <> Chinese government. The Chinese government does not forbid me from traveling abroad, there is no such problem. One case - have intentions, another thing - that I have not received an invitation, and I have no reason to issue visas. No one told me the seminar dates, did not say I go there. Wang Liping 24-09-2008

 

 

or this:

 

 

I do not Ban Ban Denmark, and they fabricated the Chinese government "travel restrictions" has nothing to do and there is no question the Chinese government will not let me leave the country. Intends to C is one thing; I have not received an invitation, not to mention C visa is another matter. No one notified me Banban date, did not say how I go. Wang Liping 24-09-2008

[宁]

Hello Victor,

 

please transmit many thanks to master Liping for taking care and clarifying his position.

the way he took care of it is also an interesting lessons for us.

 

Many thanks

 

L1

[Taomeow]

Edited September 25, 2008 by Taomeow

[Ormus]

I read two books of Wang Li Ping and they is realy interesting.

 

I dont know why someone who is such Great Master and who have such life and lived childhood as verry poor now ask for such huge sum of dollars.I always belived that it is his western students who ask this because this is bussines of them.We all know how people in China lived till the recent times and what this struggle was,now spiritual Master or Xian must to to ask for big money and depend of rich western students.

 

I dont think he need to teach for free,but to ask such huge sum is sad,not to mention his will to help spreading Daoism and Longmen Pai.

 

I speak with many Masters of Longmen Pai and no one of them confirmed me that Wang is Patriarch or lineage inheritor.He maybe recived lineage from some of the Masters from Lao Shan in private but not from organised school or temple.

 

One big problem is that Wang dont initiate students in lineage but work seminars.How some is to lear Nei Dan and not initiation and not giving Baishi to him?Simply this is not traditional and all here know this.

 

Ling Bao Bi Fa originaly belong to Zhong Lu Pai,and much later is used by other like Longmen Pai or Zhong Pai but is not standard in all Longmen lineages.Also Golden Flower is used by many and not caracteristic part of Longmen.I know that only Jingai Shan line of Longmen used it,but it is diferent as what all know,and it is original because there on their altar Immortal Master Lu Dong Bin transsmited this book via planchette writing,which is like in all spirit cult.

 

Can someone find anyone from Longmen Pai in China and that this person confirm that Wang Li Ping transsmit original Longmen Pai corpus and initiations?

 

I personaly dont have anything against Wang nor his students,but wonder after I read this tread.

 

Ormus

[thelerner]

I read two books of Wang Li Ping and they is realy interesting.

 

I dont know why someone who is such Great Master and who have such life and lived childhood as verry poor now ask for such huge sum of dollars.I always belived that it is his western students who ask this because this is bussines of them.We all know how people in China lived till the recent times and what this struggle was,now spiritual Master or Xian must to to ask for big money and depend of rich western students.

 

I dont think he need to teach for free,but to ask such huge sum is sad,not to mention his will to help spreading Daoism and Longmen Pai.

When you become very famous, its hard to find a way to limit classes.  Everyone wants to learn but huge classes cause problems and dilute learning.  So, my hope is he milks the market for the high end of the going price, and that pays for the hard core teaching the rest of the year for true long term serious students.  Such serious students are a more private exclusive matter where integrity is more important then money.   

 

I'm thinking/hoping is he's doing both. 

[Taomeow]

When you become very famous, its hard to find a way to limit classes.  Everyone wants to learn but huge classes cause problems and dilute learning.  So, my hope is he milks the market for the high end of the going price, and that pays for the hard core teaching the rest of the year for true long term serious students.  Such serious students are a more private exclusive matter where integrity is more important then money.   

 

I'm thinking/hoping is he's doing both. 

 

In any society based on inequality as its primary practical (rather than theoretical, ideal, or confabulatory) modus operandi, a religious dogma has been installed by the overlords for the slaves that glorifies obligatory poverty in men and women of spiritual merit.  Someone spiritually influential and financially independent would be too dangerous to the rulers -- hence the installation of the meme. 

 

Taoism is unique in that it remained completely immune to this meme.  Worldly success and wealth were neither encouraged nor prohibited, and were pretty much left out of consideration as nonessential.  Among taoist immortals, sages, teachers and masters, some come from poverty and some from wealth, some fought for worldly success and others couldn't care less, some were minimalists in need of nothing while others were powerful people in top positions in society. 

 

Westerners brainwashed by pop-buddhist ideas based on that meme might find it hard to stomach, but it's a fact of real rather than imaginary history.  The Tang dynasty emperors facilitated the revival and the greatest period of flourishing, spiritual  influence and material prosperity for taoists by supporting them in order to curb Buddhist appetites.  Buddhist monasteries had grown dangerously wealthy and powerful due to the prior tax policy that exempted them from contributing to the empire's coffers while allowing them to tax the peasants either held in bondage or renting land owned by monasteries as heavily as they pleased -- and it pleased them to squeeze every penny out of those peasants while contributing nothing to the state.  Taoists were never in this position and their appetites were nowhere near as excessive even at their worst.  Doesn't mean none of them were ever supposed to have none whatsoever.  Taoism ain't socialism.  It's something that is equally at odds with socialism, capitalism and any other worldly -ism yet has been finding ways to coexist with all of them for six thousand years. 

 

"To go with the flow," one might want to actually pay attention to what the particular flow of the moment is like.  At the moment, it's the flow of money...  you can be tossed by it or you can navigate it, and if a taoist chooses to navigate it...  how is it wrong compared to allowing it to shipwreck you?..

[C T]

what some call 'dangerously wealthy' others might say 'successful navigational skills paid off' 

[Taomeow]

Right -- and still others might look at the source of wealth: one's own hard work vs. forcing the serfs into hard work. 

[Zhongyongdaoist]

Taoism is unique in that it remained completely immune to this meme.  Worldly success and wealth were neither encouraged nor prohibited, and were pretty much left out of consideration as nonessential.  Among taoist immortals, sages, teachers and masters, some come from poverty and some from wealth, some fought for worldly success and others couldn't care less, some were minimalists in need of nothing while others were powerful people in top positions in society. 

 

Westerners brainwashed by pop-buddhist ideas based on that meme might find it hard to stomach, but it's a fact of real rather than imaginary history.

As I have pointed out in a couple of places, long before "pop-buddhist" notions arrived in the West, there was already a strong cultural meme based on Christianity:

 

In the West this results the cultural influence of Christianity and the 'sin' of simony. This attitude is based on Matthew 10:8:

 

Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

 

In other cultures the situation is more complex and we should be wary of unwittingly using a set of values derived from Christianity to judge the practices of another culture. That doesn't mean that we can't use such values, it just means that we need to be aware of them and ask ourselves why we believe that they are applicable.

 

The operative phrase in Matthew is 'Freely you have received', with the implication that something of value really was received, in other words the power to 'Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons'. Since this was supposedly said by Jesus for a believer this would have the authority of a divine commandment, but for someone who is not working within that tradition and has worked hard, both in terms of study and practice and expended both time and money in the pursuit of the knowledge and ability to 'exorcise', they may be justified in charging and we are the ones who need to justify our attitudes about why they should freely give to us, what has cost them so much time, money and effort.

 

The "pop-Buddhism" merely merged with this meme and gave it the faux respectability of "Eastern Wisdom", and Westerners end out with a double dose of it.

[Bubbles]

 the source of wealth: one's own hard work

 

Yeah!

[Taomeow]

As I have pointed out in a couple of places, long before "pop-buddhist" notions arrived in the West, there was already a strong cultural meme based on Christianity:

 

 

The "pop-Buddhism" merely merged with this meme and gave it the faux respectability of "Eastern Wisdom", and Westerners end out with a double dose of it.

 

Thank you for the thought and the quote.  My thought exactly in my opening paragraph.