shontonga Posted August 3, 2008 So ? One Wants, Desires, Needs... What is that? ...is it true? All three the same? Powerful things, I'm thinking'? Maybe it's an invisible bridle we can all be steered by? (ZAPP!...or a shock collar if you like ; ) ? ) Or as we learn early in life to steer others by... LOL, Think of that awfully loud child again, if you will, Yes. I like to keep him in my sack of tricks, Pull him out once in awhile! The one with the high pitched screams! That's it! WOW! Clears the sinuses, it does! Have you seen him before? Throwing a tantrum, wanting a toy in the checkout isle! How quickly he gains control! His want/desire/need controls those around him so fast ? The stronger the want, the more acute the desire, the more desperate the need... The easier the sale! Speaking from the "evil salesperson" perspective, LOL (am not so evil by the way? I just like to play?). But it's true. If they have a need, a strong desire outside themselves, You Can sell a person ANYTHING ! ... if they have a "want". It's like a vacuum just waiting to be filled. Fill it with bubble gum, fill it with money, power, sex, whatever you want! If one has this Strange and Powerful "want". Lots of times they don't even know what it is. Do You? If they don't know ? Yes. One could convince them easy enough. You want what a banana? Oh! but look at the pretty pineapple! So much better for you, so much sweeter, more colorful! Those bananas are green, they have spots. ...I think i saw some fruit flies! Yuck... Look at this pineapple, it glows from within! More to it, cheeper, like i said, sweeter! ...you can almost taste it can't you! You've seen the adds! You want a cigarette, a new shiny car, a strong smooth drink! Or you want "stability", a house, a home, a happy family, Peace? If It's known you want Peace how easy to "help" you to Not feel it! and then just offer a "solution" to "protect" you . Allow you to think this is what you want? Desire? Need? Stricter laws, less guns except by the police, enforced curfews, for your safety of course! A Sale is a Sale. Be it Love or politics. So what is it that's wanted? Who wants? Why? I see desperation daily. Fear, heartache. Needs that can't be met, so substitutes are sought. Makes it clear that there is a fine line between right and wrong and at times wrong is right after all. But how easily we are lead. By truth and deception, believing what we are lead to. What we want to. Who/what holds your reigns? right now? yesterday? the future? Who/what's steering you through your "wants"? Where are you being lead, is it a place you want to be? LOL,You might ! Who are you leading through "want/desire/need" ? Is it right to lead them that way? Have fun! Shon PEACE! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric23 Posted August 3, 2008 I love it when you ramble Shon It's so hard to just let go isn't it? The catch 22 is that the wanting to let go stops the letting go dead in its tracks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shontonga Posted August 5, 2008 I love it when you ramble Shon It's so hard to just let go isn't it? The catch 22 is that the wanting to let go stops the letting go dead in its tracks. LOL, Hey Eric 23! So if i can learn to let go... can i worry about letting go of the letting go after I learn to let go? or do i have to just drop it and let it ALL go at once?!? I keep seeing folks get duped by their wants and desires. Because they Need "this" You can watch their logic fly out the window. Common sense is gone. Their WANTS make them just believe anything. Can see it everyplace I look. This post was put up just as an unspecific warning for folks, I guess. My thoughts are that if one know oneself well, know what "you" are looking for in life, Know "your" wants and desires, maybe folks will see things clearer? Not get sucked in quite so easy. Then again ... maybe ? I ought to just let go and watch. Thanks Eric23! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mal Posted August 5, 2008 Nice thread "What must I do master Yoda" "Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Brown Posted August 5, 2008 Isn't it a case of tempering desire so that we can begin to see what we truly need thereby avoiding excess? Eventually we will have less and less as we find ourselves constantly rejoining the Tao. We move into silence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shontonga Posted August 5, 2008 Nice thread "What must I do master Yoda" "Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose" LOL, ...and buddha killed the old lady's cow and she was enlightened : ) Isn't it a case of tempering desire so that we can begin to see what we truly need thereby avoiding excess? Eventually we will have less and less as we find ourselves constantly rejoining the Tao. We move into silence. Like this. Rather than having fists held high ready for a fight, Makes it feel more like a dance . Thanks, kids! Shon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric23 Posted August 5, 2008 Doesn't it seem like what we want most is control? It seems every time I get good and relaxed, breath slowed down, just at the cusp of experiencing the space between the in breath and out; my mind butts it's stupid self in and says "yeah we're letting go!" Of course, at that point it's all over, damn! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shontonga Posted August 7, 2008 Doesn't it seem like what we want most is control? It seems every time I get good and relaxed, breath slowed down, just at the cusp of experiencing the space between the in breath and out; my mind butts it's stupid self in and says "yeah we're letting go!" Of course, at that point it's all over, damn! Oooo, No control would be So Wonderful, too me! See? Control ='s RESPONSIBILITY U can Have It! LOL! (am actually very responsible! ) Control is always present through choice? There is always the option of choice. We may not like the choices at times but it's still there. and that choice is our responsibility. When we try to take control of something that's not our choice, or ours to worry about, then we get into some stressful trouble! I can chose to go on a plane or not. If I chose to go on the plane I don't need to control the plane? I'm not a pilot, so I can relax and enjoy someone else being in control. If the plane goes down, I'm pretty good with that. It's not my responsibility. Choice. I'm not going to try and FORCE my way into the cockpit to try and fly the thing! If i did, that choice would have some definite consequences i may not like so much! Choices can only be made IN THE MOMENT. Even in meditation. Trick is to not get caught in the choices being made. Meditation is practice for everything else! ...Or??? Everything else is practice for meditation!!! Either way, It works! With some of stuff I'm playing with there are layers upon layers of this stuff! Happening all at once! Crazy. Some go on for years, some more like open eyed meditations, some closed eyed sitting, all at once in layers. Simutainiously. Your reactions become automatic. (...and time gets all confused???) Have to be awear of the option of choice at first then just let it go. Later, it's already practiced and not so thought about or hung on to. There are stages of training, of learning, that need to be "understood" so we can play with other fun stuff! Letting go becomes once again an easy unconscious breath. (... easy meaning gentle/relaxed not simple. Not over thought about.) Have fun! It's all such cool stuff! Thank you, Shon Never know for sure if any of my writing makes any sense ! Can see it so clearly in my head! but words get all confused! If this doesn't make any sense at all ? That's OK! Have fun with it all, kids! PEACE! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric23 Posted August 8, 2008 You do make sense A while back Taomeow mentioned that she makes a decision to address or ignore whatever thoughts come across so as not to attach herself to the thoughts that are not crucial at that time. It's a nice technique that I've borrowed (thanks TM!) during stillness time. There are times I wish the thoughts never came up at all. But then again I'm really new at all of this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric23 Posted August 8, 2008 (edited) duplicate, sorry Edited August 8, 2008 by Eric23 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shontonga Posted August 8, 2008 (edited) You do make sense A while back Taomeow mentioned that she makes a decision to address or ignore whatever thoughts come across so as not to attach herself to the thoughts that are not crucial at that time. It's a nice technique that I've borrowed (thanks TM!) during stillness time. There are times I wish the thoughts never came up at all. But then again I'm really new at all of this. Some of those Thoughts have great stories to share! Have a friend that was telling me one day what he was playing with. I might be wrong but i think this is what he told me. Was saying that in Japanese (I think?) a word for thought is "so"(if spelled the same, not sure) So whenever a thought came up he would just smile and gently shrug his shoulders "So" No judgment, no attachment, So just breath gentle smile gentle eyes gentle shrug relaxing So I liked that. hadn't heard that one before : ) It made an impression on me. Sweet dreams Edited August 8, 2008 by shontonga Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric23 Posted August 8, 2008 No judgment, no attachment, So just breath gentle smile gentle eyes gentle shrug relaxing So I liked that. hadn't heard that one before : ) It made an impression on me. Sweet dreams Beautiful, simply beautiful Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
