is reserving jing even necessary?

[h.uriahr]

Any Immortals care to comment on this??

[h.uriahr]

Even after drinking the blood of a virgin?

LOL..I'm not quite sure if you're serious or joking. Unless of course she lied, I have tasted blood from a virgin and didnt feel anything different. What can I say, I eat my steak raw so why not my wo...

[WhiteTiger]

Lack of blood? I have never ever in my active life ever felt the same way from working out, running, swimming, kickboxing, mountain climbing, kayaking, skydiving, paintballing, etc., as compared to an orgasm. Nor through meditation

 

Ok... I think you Misinterpreted what i was saying. I was talking about one feeling that is sometimes got after performing sexual acts. Sexuality, Sexual healing, and sexual expression, are three areas different areas that can be mastered individually. Meaning there are specific specifications for every little detail of everything. Have you studied how to ejaculate properly. Lots of men need to learn the proper way to do this. Lots of men have serious issues with what Taiji teachers call fully relaxing. (we all know you can never fully relax otherwise your muscles wouldn't stay on your bones but that ability to relax fully is based on how you mind can let go) It turns into a game of muscle control... can you fully relax one muscle while giving tension to others? Anyway I never like to go into extreme details or get discussions about sexuality, at my young age it definately doesn't make it easy on myself to stay with a focused mind.

 

I never said the words Lack of blood. Although blood misplaced definately. In an orgasm its different because its not just change of blood its also many different hormones and lots of energy work happening and/or the endocrine system doing many different changes with chemical processes. So yeah its definately gunna feel different.

 

LOL..I'm not quite sure if you're serious or joking. Unless of course she lied, I have tasted blood from a virgin and didnt feel anything different. What can I say, I eat my steak raw so why not my wo...

 

If this is a joke that was quite a distasteful joke Imho. Although if it wasn't at least about eating womens raw blood than well... Than well now that i'm addressing it i gotta say something. I would say - No Comment.

[三江源]

 

I wonder... What is evolved sexuality to you, cat?

 

It is being in the moment, in the body, in the heart, as a lover.

 

It is not being in your head, not resorting to fantasy, not liking porn, not using sexual fantasies or fetishes to take the pressure out of your neuroses.

 

It is being open, awake, and vibrant in the heart.

 

It is about sharing, not about taking or conscious reciprocity measurings.

 

It is about replenishing each other at the source through the body: your lover is a wonder.

 

And it is about laughing with joy.

 

It is about sparkling with mutual light.

 

It is about creating a safe tingling darkness in which to repose.

 

It is about respect that comes out of tenderness, like a bird out of a tree.

 

It is about howling like an animal in the woods.

 

It is about pouncing and being caught and catching, and surrendering, surrendering the boundary.

 

Those are some of the things it is about.

[Patrick Brown]

It is being in the moment, in the body, in the heart, as a lover.

 

It is not being in your head, not resorting to fantasy, not liking porn, not using sexual fantasies or fetishes to take the pressure out of your neuroses.

 

It is being open, awake, and vibrant in the heart.

 

It is about sharing, not about taking or conscious reciprocity measurings.

 

It is about replenishing each other at the source through the body: your lover is a wonder.

 

And it is about laughing with joy.

 

It is about sparkling with mutual light.

 

It is about creating a safe tingling darkness in which to repose.

 

It is about respect that comes out of tenderness, like a bird out of a tree.

 

It is about howling like an animal in the woods.

 

It is about pouncing and being caught and catching, and surrendering, surrendering the boundary.

 

Those are some of the things it is about.

Can't fault that.

[Hua Dao]

 

[snip]

 

The real question is, even if Jing retention is necesary, (which I believe it is), how do I change my genetics into a form that can actually do what is required of me? I have, on many occasions, transformed my body through qigong, and used the temporary new form to practice alchemy... but getting it perfect, and making it stick.... Do you know how to learn internal skills on a genetic level? It is literally impossible to transmute jing-->---qi---> shen in my inherited form. I cannot change my inherited form for more than a few seconds before the contradiction between 'proper form' and my genetic form changes me back. Solutions? Anyone?

 

You inherit the genome from the parents, every day of one's life you duplicate the 'epigenome' which is the altered genome, when you have children you pass on your epigenome. 'Jing' is involved in or rather the energy for proper replication in cells, if it is too sparse and spread out through the body cell replication doesn't copy the epigenome properly and certain genes become hidden or turned off, resulting in a mutated cell and altered genes that are copied to the next generation. The optimistic view is that by living a healthy life you can un-hide and turn on genes changing the epigenome for the better.

 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/genes/issa.html

[Patrick Brown]

[xenolith]

How about the spiritual evolution of women? How do you think an active sex life affects that? How do you think having a child would affect the spiritual evolution of a woman?

I want to know too!

 

Apparently it's a taboo subject...

[宁]

 

Having an enlightened sex life

is much more important to me than anything else about sex,

and this would be the same if I were a guy who loses sperm.

Why worry about losing sperm

when you have an unevolved sexuality to deal with first?

 

 

Great Cat, spot on!

 

It's like a painter that has a full bucket of paint...

He can waste a lot of paint in the process of learning how to paint.

In the end he would use just tiny amounts to make spectacular landscapes, or drawings...

At the very end he won't need paint anymore.

That's an interesting definition of sexual gongfu that just crossed my head

 

 

L1

[三江源]

ha, Little1, a painter that doesnt need paint.

 

a nice gestalt.

[rain]

ha, Little1, a painter that doesnt need paint.

 

a nice gestalt.

 

you're quite right. she doesn't

 

Cool saying! From Russia?

 

a band from sweeden.

with love

 

btw

btt.

prudence.

prudence..

Edited September 20, 2008 by rain

[Spectrum]

True Love is nourishing and rejuvenating. If two or more people find this nothing can stop their destiny. The sanctity of the v is a cornerstone of practical wisdom.Destroy that and have no foundation to stand on. Jing means nothing if you have no means to burn, circulate, and condense.

[三江源]

[Smile]

 

It is being in the moment, in the body, in the heart, as a lover.

 

It is not being in your head, not resorting to fantasy, not liking porn, not using sexual fantasies or fetishes to take the pressure out of your neuroses.

 

It is being open, awake, and vibrant in the heart.

 

It is about sharing, not about taking or conscious reciprocity measurings.

 

It is about replenishing each other at the source through the body: your lover is a wonder.

 

And it is about laughing with joy.

 

It is about sparkling with mutual light.

 

It is about creating a safe tingling darkness in which to repose.

 

It is about respect that comes out of tenderness, like a bird out of a tree.

 

It is about howling like an animal in the woods.

 

It is about pouncing and being caught and catching, and surrendering, surrendering the boundary.

 

Those are some of the things it is about.

 

You and Taomeow are my 2 favorite cats, hehe

[Pietro]

I would like to add to this whole discussion that is absolutely possible to embrace both sides at the same time in ones life. Even in the same period of life. In other words to be both the neurotic pornographer who masturbates to releave his nerves, AND the superior lover that has sex-love-union with their (temporary) partner reaching orgasm, without having ejaculation, or ejaculation without losing energy.

 

Being able to do the later does not necessarily precludes you from being the former.

 

In particularly because to do the later you need a partner.

 

I remember a sexual partner I had. Wonderful woman, but who never reached orgasm with someone else.

While making love (which she would enjoy immensly, she just would not reach orgasm, probably witch diet would have helped), in a stroke of insight (lol, no pun intended) she said:

coming while making love in two is harder because you are totally here and now, with no part of you in a sexual fantasy.

 

I too would love to read Kornfield article. If anyone finds it (maybe their community has it) it would be a good thing to have it scanned for the whole community.

 

Also many people have suggested that having moderate sex is good. While in theory this is true, in practice, it is often harder than full celibacy. When you are in full celibacy you do not need to make any choise. Choises has already been done for you (now) by you (in the past).

 

But generally to hold to your word you need energy, which needs jing...

 

So you might decide that you only come once a month, and with no sexual fantasies!

Or every 2 weeks, or every 40 days, or 100.

 

And all goes well for the first round, but then you come one time, and now you are there, holding your desire in your full hands, your head clouded by weakness, and you concede a thousand years of immortality, for a second second of immediate bliss. And you are digested one step deeper in the belly of the sexual fantasies demonic worm.

 

And, instead, if you decide that you are not going to let your head be clouded, your orgasm will not be total release, and will not recharge you of energy (yes, I spoke about an orgasm as a way to recharge, go figure that out), so you'll feel even worse.

 

In case you haven't understood I speak from my experience.

 

SO I would add myself to the list of the practitioners who says that celibacy is important, without myself being able (anymore) to practice celibacy. There are different forms of celibacy, and maybe I will write about them.

But the key think is the mind.

 

Celibacy is important because what is important is to be in reality, and you cannot have sexual fantasies while being in reality. But then if you are so advanced that you don't fall for sexual fantasies even after an orgasm, then you might be able to do it. But generally an orgasm (even a valley orgasm, of the highest kind), can make you weak enough that fantasies will get the hold of you, and eat whatever else was in the cup.

 

You did it the first time, because it was overflowing, but this has attracted creatues who drank you the second time, and only leave you when you are empty. Until you fill up again.

 

How wonderful human beings are, we are the cup, and we produce the nectar.

 

Just for whom?

[Smile]

And all goes well for the first round, but then you come one time, and now you are there, holding your desire in your full hands, your head clouded by weakness, and you concede a thousand years of immortality, for a second of immediate bliss.

 

Brilliant

[Spectrum]

Jeez you guys. Just keep the tank half full instead of half empty. Practice everyday and feel the difference, long term cycles are important to not "lose ground" from your baseline. Short term cycles are immaterial as long as you practice thru them and support "insufficiencies" with positive reinforcement mentally and nutritionally. It is more important how you train on your down cycles (don't stop cold turkey) than how you train up to your peak. knowing how to train up to a peak, then break thru and expand your experience is good, but if you stop cold turky at that point you do yourself a disservice. Take your foot off the gas and coast, Sifu called this minimum to maximum training. Less is More.

 

Giving yourself fully to another soul in union never results in weakness. Show me a happy couple and I'll show you healthy people.

[三江源]

I would like to add to this whole discussion that is absolutely possible to embrace both sides at the same time in ones life. Even in the same period of life. In other words to be both the neurotic pornographer who masturbates to releave his nerves, AND the superior lover that has sex-love-union with their (temporary) partner reaching orgasm, without having ejaculation, or ejaculation without losing energy.

 

 

hello Pietro. nice to see you again.

 

About the split self that you describe. Yes, most people have a 'best self', as well as an 'average self' and a 'neurotic' shadow self who manages to get it's way without you fully noticing, because it's when you go slightly unconscious that it takes over ( did I just eat ALL that ice cream? Who finished the ENTIRE bottle of wine? did I really just wank over THAT?! )

 

And certainly when we are in transition to a state where our healthier/happier/ clearer self is dominant, the neurotic self stlll slips in when we are tired or stressed or whatever... AND I do know,from my own experience, that the neurotic impulses die off. Practise DOES render such things, eventually,so substandard an experience, that the charge simply dies.

 

(And before you tell me it's because I dont have balls that I can say that, I have to say that I have never, ever, been a Woman Who Gets Headaches. )

[Pietro]

Jeez you guys. Just keep the tank half full instead of half empty. Practice everyday and feel the difference, long term cycles are important to not "lose ground" from your baseline. Short term cycles are immaterial as long as you practice thru them and support "insufficiencies" with positive reinforcement mentally and nutritionally. It is more important how you train on your down cycles (don't stop cold turkey) than how you train up to your peak. knowing how to train up to a peak, then break thru and expand your experience is good, but if you stop cold turky at that point you do yourself a disservice. Take your foot off the gas and coast, Sifu called this minimum to maximum training. Less is More.

 

Giving yourself fully to another soul in union never results in weakness. Show me a happy couple and I'll show you healthy people.

 

Spectrum, you seem to be up to something over here.

Unfortunately I cannot understand you. Can you please explain better what you mean. Maybe with an example too. Like I was stupid.

 

Thanks,

Pietro

 

did I really just wank over THAT?!

did I really just wank over THAT?!

 

(And before you tell me it's because I dont have balls that I can say that, I have to say that I have never, ever, been a Woman Who Gets Headaches. )

 

Yeah, but you probably give them.

 

But yes, I do suspect that on this men and women are different. Com'on I will not come and tell you how you can get over the depression of your cycle, because I did it.

[三江源]

I'll give you a headache if you dont watch it, buster.

 

 

 

I dont get depression from my cycles. I'm a TAOIST!!!!!!!

 

I dont even crave chocolate, dude.

[Dr. Love]

i've been masturbating again for a while,

just to see what effect it would have on me.

 

the difference is that,

when i didn't masturbate for prolonged periods...

i was exploding with energy.

 

 

 

since masturbating again,

i feel as centered and as happy as before i was masturbating.

so no difference in "spiritual enlightenment" for me,

 

but there is a difference in physical energy levels,

i'm a less hyper... but there is still enough energy to do all i would want to do.

[Smile]

Show me a happy couple and I'll show you healthy people.

Show me a happy couple. Period.

[Pietro]

I'll give you a headache if you dont watch it, buster.

I dont get depression from my cycles. I'm a TAOIST!!!!!!!

 

I dont even crave chocolate, dude.

Hmm, seven exclamation marks.

Now that is something.

 

You look a bit hype,

is this your 14th day?

 

[三江源]

Hmm, seven exclamation marks.

Now that is something.

 

You look a bit hype,

is this your 14th day?

 

 

true enough, natural vitality does look a 'bit hype' to anyone lying quietly, exhausted and surrounded by crusty tissues..

 

 

 

 

[Pietro]

true enough, natural vitality does look a 'bit hype' to anyone lying quietly, exhausted and surrounded by crusty tissues..

Classy!