Kunlun San Diego and assorted musings

[Sahaj Nath]

This whole thread makes me happy!

 

[Yoda]

Craig,

 

At least it won't be as suspenseful!! I hope you have fun!

 

Your pal,

Yoda

[三江源]

Craig, I hope you have fun, too.

 

really looking forward to your report, and more than that, finding out if you choose to take up the practises and how you get on with them.

 

 

gezundheit,

xxxxx

[mgd]

Wonderful series Taomeow.

 

The (to be continued) at the end of the first installment had me

bellylaughing.

 

Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

 

[findley]

LOL! I must be impatient.

 

Get to the point already!!!

[Taomeow]

LOL! I must be impatient.

 

Get to the point already!!!

 

OK.

 

The point is a mathematical abstraction postulated to possess neither volume, area, length, nor any other higher dimensional analogue. Thus, a point is a 0-dimensional object.

 

Free for the taking!

[宁]

You know... on some deep, non-logical level I feel this somehow like a clash between two giant forces, a flash of blinding light piercing the veil of some crimson-dark full-moon night... A warm and dark wave, heavy and full of ancient force, full of inertia, is meeting... what?

I'm expecting... I don't know whether it can change something like this, or just charge it in a very inexpecting way. If it does change it, and we'll face another Taomeow, am sure it will change Kunlun as you all know it.

What a gift for the mind, heart and eye.

[Taomeow]

Little1, Chris, and everybody who's embarrassing me with "positive judgments" -- please cut it out! You're messing with my humility!

 

...but I'm grateful and touched. As (supposedly) an ET told a contactee, "the love you withhold is the pain you carry." Please don't think I'm withholding mine -- I love you guys!

 

Installment 4

 

Glimpses of the audience. Some, like me, are learning Kunlun for the first time, others have been practicing for a while. Some of the "initiates" can be spotted immediately by the effects of the practice that set in as soon as they get down to it: they don't behave like "normal" people do. I've seen it before, I've been this way before. Another time, another teaching, an opening -- into the levels of personality, emotions, physical motion, self-expression not occurring in "normal" everyday life.

 

The layers of repressed "me," once they start sloughing off, revealing the "actual me" underneath, are multiple and as varied as people themselves. Some of these layers are paper-thin and easily pierced, while others are brick walls, concrete dams, powerfully reinforces structures of holding-back. Most are erected below the level of everyday consciousness, and people carrying them around don't know they do. They feel burdened but they externalize the feeling and don't look inside for what it is that's really burdening them. We start noticing these structures for the first time only when they are beginning to crumble. What's underneath? What's behind the wall?

 

Long ago, when by the emperor's decree they started building the Great Wall of China, some taoists said, this is not good... it will break the back of the dragon, and now things the dragon was supporting with her breath will start deteriorating, running out of breath, dying. The wall cut across a unified ecosystem, a grasshopper lost his mate, a butterfly was thwarted in his flight, a tigress got cut off from her watering hole... the deer multiplied beyond what the tigress would have allowed, the trees whose bark got eaten off by the oversized herd died, the rivulet they used to protect, holding the banks in the embrace of their roots, got overpowered with mud slides and dried up, the great river that it used to nourish receded, killing fish, black and white swans that used to hunt for the fish, men and women who used to have enough to eat and suddenly, or eventually, didn't anymore. An inner Great Wall does much the same thing to the mind, body, soul, and destiny of a human being. And when there's many walls, when a lifetime is spent erecting them -- some paper-thin like the Japanese screen doors, some deep and invasive enough to "break the dragon's back" -- everything starts dying, in a chain reaction of inhibition of what could have been, should have been, being replaced by what shouldn't have happened, couldn't have been good... but did come to pass, to usurp the place of some natural unfolding cut off by the wall, because nature abhors vacuum.

 

When these walls start to crumble, they release the trapped memories, the thwarted potentials, and a whole lot of confusion. Here, a tender flower finds its footing in the proper soil for the first time in centuries; there, an enraged, starved tiger rushes out with a mighty roar... amidst clouds of dust and shards of glass and the howling of the wind that has waited to make its way to the other side for so long, rushing into the opening, turning everything in its way upside down. That's what I've seen before, and now I'm seeing it again. A woman starts laughing like a demon, then whimpering, baby-like, then speaking in a language unknown, unheard of, about her long-lost purpose. Another one screams piercingly and startles me out of the beginning phase of my meditation; no one turns to look. A heavy thud behind me! This time I do turn to look. A very tall man with shoulder-length blond hair is on the floor on his back, twitching, struggling, coughing, gagging, neck tensed up so tight it looks like it might snap, toes curving inward tightly the way they did when he was being born. I've seen it before. I'm thinking, uh-oh. This practice gets all the way down to the limbic system. To the R-complex. To pre-cortical systemic somatosensory memory. To jing. To all the traumas endured by the infant, and perhaps the fetus. To birth. I do hope there's safety valves built into the system. I do hope people know how to use them. I could help if they didn't. OK, back to minding my own business...

Edited September 7, 2008 by Taomeow

[rain]

i was another place another time

but

yes thats what we saw..

 

and I aint sure its good

 

aint sure at all

Edited September 7, 2008 by rain

[Cameron]

This practice gets all the way down to the limbic system. To the R-complex. To pre-cortical systemic somatosensory memory. To jing. To all the traumas endured by the infant, and perhaps the fetus. To birth. I do hope there's safety valves built into the system. I do hope people know how to use them. I could help if they didn't. OK, back to minding my own business...

 

 

This is the area I hesitate to talk about since I don't know.

 

My experience with the inside Kunluners is they seem to have a great faith about the process. From hanging a little with some of Max's more "inside" students like Chris, Rich, Kan etc. There is a strong sense things are headed in the right direction no matter how ugly, unbalanced(or beautiful and blissfull) it may look at times.

 

Anything you can say about your take on the process now and in coming months would be highly appreciated. Since you have gotten the transmission I guess you'll be having your own experiences, hopefully wonderful, anyway

 

Maybe more intimate discussions about your view of the system should happen on the Kunlun Forum?

 

Cam

[Spectrum]

Now is the time, align sublime

Spiraling through lasting lines

Guiding uncontrollable primers

Even unseen brine diners

Confusing divine designs

Following similar signs.

 

Overlay the one o eight

Point line planes so straight

Center to edge frames escape

Where form and formless mate.

 

Signs and signposts what to say

Absorb the days countless ways

Quietly observing each display

Of unsung keepers of the flame.

 

Staircases spinning on common ground

Sway play relating wound up sound

Surrounding the found with profound

What comes up, must come down.

 

Timeless ageless seekers abound

Treasure hunters sail the rounds

Sifting sandy shores renown

Plumbing lines at every mound

Drop sealed heels under cyclones gown

Float throat notes atop anchored ground.

 

Crown clowns drown in nouns

Keeper seekers weigh the pound

Ounces to inches, frowns and flinches

Down come must, up comes what itches.

 

Chairs, stairs, doors and hallways

Staring pairs polarize all ways

Sitting down to get up this tall maze

Knot a cliche to bring a bouquet

To a funeral birthday paradox buffet.

[gendao]

A heavy thud behind me! This time I do turn to look. A very tall man with shoulder-length blond hair is on the floor on his back, twitching, struggling, coughing, gagging, neck tensed up so tight it looks like it might snap, toes curving inward tightly the way they did when he was being born.

Ha, that guy is still going to these?

 

I know EXACTLY who you're talking about. He may be German or something...but he seems to go through the same reaction each time - getting heavily jolted and then thumping down and grounding out.

 

I also know another woman who has a small death experience nearly everytime.

 

You do typically see a variety of reactions ranging from nothing to some pretty dramatic ecstatic states...so I guess nothing would really shock me anymore unless someone levitated. Now, that would be really cool.

[AugustLeo]

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[Sahaj Nath]

i still very much remember the sounds and voices around me as i sat there smiling, eyes closed, debating myself about the implications of total surrender.

 

i just didn't want to give in if there was a chance that i would later discover that it was all a lie.

 

i remember holding back, trying to examine the experience as an intellectual event that i could control and ease myself into. i remember wanting it to take me over, to prove itself to me that it was real. i remember being in the way when i wanted to control it so as not to look like the others; and i remember being in the way when i wanted it to consume me. like it did the others.

 

your voice helps me to understand my own experience.

 

 

thank you.

[mYTHmAKER]

 

Maybe more intimate discussions about your view of the system should happen on the Kunlun Forum?

 

Cam

 

 

I for one would appreciate it Taomeow if you kept it on this forum.

Your views are valuable to kunliner's and non kunliner's alike.

 

Thank you

[AugustLeo]

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[Aetherous]

Personally, every kunluner's concepts on kunlun point directly away from my experience of it. As we can all see pretty clearly at the kunlun forum...each person's journal is quite different. And each person's temperament...everyone is such an individual. When I'm reading other people's posts, I hardly relate to any of it.

 

I was going to post this thought earlier today over there in my personal practice space, but didn't...I guess it's just as fitting posted here.

[Sahaj Nath]

For me, Taomeow's written concepts (which are well written and entertaining to read ) [edit: or any words or concepts for that matter, my own included] point directly away from my experience of Kunlun, which I've gained only by letting go of concepts and practicing.

 

Of course, there is no right or wrong about it. If the words help you, that's good.

 

Best wishes.

 

i spoke nothing of concepts or what "direction" they were pointing. clearly my experience was NOT the same as hers. (i mean, did you read any of MY kunlun thread? yikes. ) but that wasn't at all the point.

 

it's that place from which she speaks where i find resonance within my OWN voice. helps me to understand more of what i would not allow to be possible.

 

 

and btw, i don't practice kunlun.

 

Edited September 8, 2008 by Hundun

[AugustLeo]

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[Spectrum]

Someone needs a push in the park. There is a rhyme to the reasoning of the body. Letting go means the thought mind, the whole mind is the body.

 

one two there

it's easy to see

the body is music

 

the music in me

 

three two one

dinners done

pass a sticky bun

Edited September 8, 2008 by Spectrum

[rain]

To the R-complex. To pre-cortical systemic somatosensory memory. To jing. To all the traumas endured by the infant, and perhaps the fetus. To birth. I do hope there's safety valves built into the system. I do hope people know how to use them. I could help if they didn't. OK, back to minding my own business...

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I read and logged out and was lookin for a book on tarot, while making a poem, then suddenly in my mind I saw these lines and the advert.

 

could you be so kind to tell more about how you work with this

I am sure there are others around the world..maybe even in Oslo..if you get my point..

Edited September 8, 2008 by rain

[Spectrum]

Laughing or Crying is normal and good for us. There are paradoxes of pain and pleasure risk and reward that transperspire. Not every time. People are uncomfortable usually with the expression of emotions. Working them out is small part the whole picture, working out is the larger part most people would like to skip to experience something outside of the 5 senses, yet without cleaning the windows you can't see to drive.

Edited September 8, 2008 by Spectrum

[rain]

Yes the limbic part of brain.. the releasing..the crying the laughter,

the cramps and the release of garbage and the blessing.

 

Many of us have shared that we know already shaking going to lala land

no cute bein aCE ahead of the mindgame, just cramp-howling

 

We have lost our minds and our asses and are in fact constnatly doing it.

We might actually need something else. And what could that be?

MM?

What I have been missing like longing for, or better say what I have been MISSING

(like missing the 10 in dart)

was an experience of STRUCTURE in the kunlun. Especially after Teacher dissapeared after ringing the famous words;

"DO NOT FEAR WHAT THEE DO KNOT KNOW." (wow! burp,

...sigh).

 

To be able to recognize actual structure going through all the exercises.

dissolving seems CLEAR as a BELL and din't NOT no BUMP in no PARK.

 

So I decided to do this kunlun and witness.

First sitiing and forgetting meditation and then kunlun (kunlun red phoenix and goldenflower).

WHAT went on? Could I see some distinct features emerge from these states?

 

YES.

Edited September 8, 2008 by rain

[三江源]

rain, could you say what the distinct features are, exactly, for you. I would find that very helpful. I think you have done a lot more KL than I.

 

Maybe we can begin to build up a frame of reference for one another.

[rain]

yes thats a good idea cat. figured my contribution/personal reflections

better in my thread, If your interested please go there and read todays

post. I would love to hear from you too.