Spontaneous Movement : Form and Formless

[gendao]

Believe me, ask any of my friends who were sitting with me at the first Kunlun workshop I went to. Vortex, Smile, Trunk and other's who come here occasionally were all there. I was moving alot, I was basically bouncing up and down, I was covered with sweat and I was screaming

Lmao, yea I remember that! I was sitting right next to you when you opened. Looked like you were sitting on top of an industrial-strength washing machine!!! Good times, man!

 

Personally though, I WISH my small death experience would have been filmed, so I could watch it later myself from the outside. Things like that don't happen everyday, so they're Kodak moments to me. I guess everyone's different. Like how a lot of girls do porn or put their birthing videos on YouTube now, lol.

 

Anyhow, I will be posting more vids up, not of Kunlun, but just different body movements and such.

[Cameron]

Awesome brother!

 

I'll put some stuff up eventually.

 

Thanks for adding some positive vibes to this thread

[Spectrum]

Thanks you guys for continuing to contribute.

[Cameron]

 

How is the driving adventure coming along? Did you make it to LA? Did you ever get to hang out with Trunk?

 

If your going to be coming to Arizona in the next few weeks give me a heads up.

 

Cam

[Spectrum]

How is the driving adventure coming along? Did you make it to LA? Did you ever get to hang out with Trunk?

 

If your going to be coming to Arizona in the next few weeks give me a heads up.

[rain]

I may have misunderstood...in a way I really hope I did

(even if this feeling of blow to my gut seems rather uncomfortable right now it may be a wake up call or something to really learn from..)

 

but

 

DID I really read in this thread that one person believes that the current in kunlun is DIVINE in opposition to enrgy from qigong that moves you spontaneously, eh?

 

DID I?!!

 

Edited February 24, 2009 by rain

[freeform]

I may have misunderstood...in a way I really hope I did

(even if this feeling of blow to my gut seems rather uncomfortable right now it may be a wake up call or something to really learn from..)

 

but

 

DID I really read in this thread that one person believes that the current in kunlun is DIVINE in opposition to enrgy from qigong that moves you spontaneously, eh?

 

DID I?!!

 

 

you talking about me, Rain?

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "the current in kunlun is DIVINE in opposition to enrgy from qigong that moves you spontaneously"...

 

please could you explain what you mean?

 

I'm talking about relationships... you can move spontaneously with your focus and intention being on 'the outside' - so you're engaging in a dynamic dance with the outside.

 

In kunlun when I move spontaneously, I (usually) don't engage with the outside - in fact I could easily bump into things, lose my balance etc... my relationship is with a divine 'current'... not anything external, but internal and external...

 

is your objection that I'm saying that other aspects of energy are not divine? of course they are... but with kunlun I go to the root.... it's like the difference between drinking a glass of water from the tap or going straight to the stream that feeds the reservoir, that then goes through processing, national water systems, then into your neighbourhood, then into your house then in through your tap...

 

Like if you look at the I Ching - you could tap one of the 64 outer hexagrams or go down deeper into the source of them... the outer hexagrams are no less divine - they're just more refined, specialised, individuated. You can certainly start with one of them and then follow the path back to the source... or you can start with the source and allow the hexagrams to arise spontaneously.

 

Anyhoo... carry on

[rain]

you talking about me, Rain?

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "the current in kunlun is DIVINE in opposition to enrgy from qigong that moves you spontaneously"...

 

please could you explain what you mean?

 

I'm talking about relationships... you can move spontaneously with your focus and intention being on 'the outside' - so you're engaging in a dynamic dance with the outside.

 

In kunlun when I move spontaneously, I (usually) don't engage with the outside - in fact I could easily bump into things, lose my balance etc... my relationship is with a divine 'current'... not anything external, but internal and external...

 

is your objection that I'm saying that other aspects of energy are not divine? of course they are... but with kunlun I go to the root.... it's like the difference between drinking a glass of water from the tap or going straight to the stream that feeds the reservoir, that then goes through processing, national water systems, then into your neighbourhood, then into your house then in through your tap...

 

Like if you look at the I Ching - you could tap one of the 64 outer hexagrams or go down deeper into the source of them... the outer hexagrams are no less divine - they're just more refined, specialised, individuated. You can certainly start with one of them and then follow the path back to the source... or you can start with the source and allow the hexagrams to arise spontaneously.

 

Anyhoo... carry on

 

 

I was getting thai massage today and was expecting or wishing for someone wit a strong grip that went "deep". didnt get that. so I had a choice..several actually..I chose to adapt by throwing away expectation and entering extreme sensitivity mode. so d e e p e r what is that? a trick of the mind?

 

oh yeah I know you werent talking about physical deep, more like spiritual perhaps..

 

well all these inside outside deep superficial..

I suspect hese have nothing to do with the stat u are searching for and they do nothing for us.

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yes my friend it seems I partly misread you.

but then again just partly.

 

I seek fearless mode of no inside or outside. seek but am but.

 

seeking the place where there are no mistakes also-. read; I see "mistakes" as the information capsules that will feed and fuel the whole. hence therefore com/passion needed?

to override this friction to expand on paradox, the you - the other and the divine?

 

I believe there is no object that holds it

but the dance that no one owns

I think, - and that alone is ridiculous.

to have trained extensively and then be able to totally drop view must be.

Edited February 24, 2009 by rain

[Spirit Ape]

DELUSIONAL!!!

[rain]

DELUSIONAL!!!

 

 

you have (no) idea!

 

its early morning. Im blessed by monks and feel fine from dynamic breathing and nei gong.

 

de gale har d godt

Edited February 25, 2009 by rain

[Spirit Ape]

Your a marketers dream!!! lmfao

[xenolith]

Stop attention on persons.

 

Attention on person's message see.

[rain]

Your a marketers dream!!! lmfao

 

You were funny, now you are just rude.

I do still find it humorous since I know you are but a freshman with a bulimic appetite for life.

We will speak whaen you hit 50, son.

 

I know how it is to trasncend separation, I think you spoke about somethng silmilar once. It must have been some mental drugsnivel perhaps?

 

its got nothing to do with market ape. any kid can do it

 

Freeform do I read you right when I hear that before you did kunlun you moved around spontaneously in relation nly to your surroundings?

Because I never did, I moved due to a particular reaction to imbalance of the whole body system and this is both physical mental emotional and spiritual at all times. and in this body it is not possibly just an inside versus an outside? no one being is so one dimensional. that is just a limited interpretation. but the difference is that no matter the form even before the spontaneous, - rebalancing it is NEVER a mistake. It is a realignent a gift.

A natural way of nature. Qigong is designed to enhance health and healt is to be in harmony.

 

harmony

its not complicated

 

 

 

shrug

Edited February 25, 2009 by rain

[freeform]

Freeform do I read you right when I hear that before you did kunlun you moved around spontaneously in relation nly to your surroundings?

Because I never did, I moved due to a particular reaction to imbalance of the whole body system and this is both physical mental emotional and spiritual at all times. and in this body it is not possibly just an inside versus an outside? no one being is so one dimensional. that is just a limited interpretation. but the difference is that no matter the form even before the spontaneous, - rebalancing it is NEVER a mistake. It is a realignent a gift.

A natural way of nature. Qigong is designed to enhance health and healt is to be in harmony.

 

harmony

its not complicated

shrug

 

No no no!

 

of course it's a limited interpretation!!!! OMG - please never take anything I say as anything other than a 'limited interpretation'!!!... 'interpretation' in itself is an act of limitation! words are little parcels of limitation the word "green" limits every possible experience down to just one colour!

 

But anyway... Yes sometimes the energy runs into my fascia, tendons, muscles... and my body starts moving in incredible ways - it's dynamic relationship / dance where the partners are my tendons/fascia/muscles and the divine... the divine leads the dance.

 

Sometimes the dance partners are my belly and the divine - my body jerks, bounces, shakes with great force... sometimes my heart dances with the divine - my arms start moving, flowing, opening, closing, circling, spiraling... And of course you're right - the divine is always dancing with everything (it always gets all the girls ) but that's a limited interpretation too

 

And a lot of the time - with both me and Mr Spirit Ape here and I'm sure with most of the people on earth - it's the ego leading the dance... (but it's ok - the divine is dancing with the ego too - it's like a multidimensional, holographic love triangle... or maybe love octahedron... )

[Spirit Ape]

Im not far off 50 thanks, ive only done martial arts 6 months but i feel i understand it all!!

[freeform]

Im not far off 50 thanks, ive only done martial arts 6 months but i feel i understand it all!!

 

you feel you understand!!?!

 

 

It makes me laugh so much when people say this...

[Spirit Ape]

YES, 6 MONTHS! AND I FEEL IT!!!

[rain]

"I'm talking about relationships... you can move spontaneously with your focus and intention being on 'the outside' - so you're engaging in a dynamic dance with the outside.

In kunlun when I move spontaneously, I (usually) don't engage with the outside - in fact I could easily bump into things, lose my balance etc... my relationship is with a divine 'current'... not anything external, but internal and external...

 

is your objection that I'm saying that other aspects of energy are not divine? of course they are... but with kunlun I go to the root..."

 

sure sure

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

divine

 

I am old evil and grity and feel pleasure when kicing ass

 

thats why I know separation

[Spirit Ape]

licking ass? lol

[farmerjoe]

I seek fearless mode of no inside or outside

 

I believe there is no object that holds it

but the dance that no one owns

 

No inside or outside. No walls. No fear. No judgment. No labels. Just the dance that no one owns. Nothing that can be grasped. Everything and nothing. I like that. Joe.

Edited February 25, 2009 by farmerjoe

[Spectrum]

Spirit Ape: Your a marketers dream!!! blah blah licking ass? lol

 

Spiget Monkey doesn't know the backstory. blah blah 25 blah blah 6 blah blah luke warm milk ignore

 

Rain:

 

I chose to adapt by throwing away expectation and entering extreme sensitivity mode. so d e e p e r what is that? a trick of the mind?

 

thats fresh rain. tricks of the trade. shared space b e t w e e n notes. points to expand into the pattern of whole? notation turns to hole notes tun th not hol trn t nt turnnnnnnnnthhips. I like turnips. trade tricks

 

I seek fearless mode

 

adaptation. yes. listening to your song; rhythms-drones-melodies-harmonies; mixing & blending the symphony of natures ragas. the music of life. who what when where and why: coincide. story time! topology rhymes with geohydrology.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geohydrology

 

seeking the place where there are no mistakes also-. read; I see "mistakes" as the information capsules that will feed and fuel the whole. hence therefore com/passion needed?

 

mistakes as information capsules. cognating that. remembering somet hinges from the past.

 

morning ragas start slow, and speed up. Evening ragas start mid to faster and slow down. mis-takes are inevitable. Sometimes accidents are the best teachers. The occur spontaneously, and without warning, so expectation and result is suspended... (hey xeno) How many times can you get your feet wet before you run out of socks? Love brings everything into perspective. The ergonomic habits of contemporary mankind does not include ducking low, crawling through, high stepping over, side stepping, and other adaptive step that walking a variety of terrain offers. A narrow path, a tight passage, a mountain top, the edge of a cliff. be. care. full. here. hold. hands. if. need. be.

 

I believe there is no object that holds it

but the dance that no one owns

I think, - and that alone is ridiculous.

to have trained extensively and then be able to totally drop view must be.

 

...

 

Freeform:

 

In kunlun when I move spontaneously, I (usually) don't engage with the outside - in fact I could easily bump into things, lose my balance etc... my relationship is with a divine 'current'... not anything external, but internal and external...

 

When it matters, it matters. From cave to mountain top, safe journeys on the path. merge into converges

 

G find the points, walk the lines. charge the circuits.

 

Xeno:

Stop attention on persons. Attention on person's message see.

Stop at tent ion on per sons. At tent i on on person's mess age see.

.eesegassems'nosrepnonoitnetta.snosrepnonoitnettapots

Edited February 25, 2009 by Spectrum

[freeform]

YES, 6 MONTHS! AND I FEEL IT!!!

 

HAHA!

 

I'm not surprised you're distrustful of feeling, Spirit Ape!

 

because your previous comment is indicative (and I've suspected this of you before, but never saw such compact, concentrated evidence) that what you call 'feeling' is actually 'thinking'... or more precisely you simulate 'feeling' with thought... which is like simulating the colour green with the word 'green'.

 

This observation comes from studying the much under-appreciated branch of neuro-linguistic programming that deals with sensory data...

 

to put it simply - if you're 'feeling' something, but can't feel exactly what it's like in your body and where the feeling is concentrated the most and how it's moving or changing - then you're thinking.

[Spirit Ape]

Ive done 6 months 7 days a week of martial arts and meditation I know what im talking about!!!

 

Just let go that is the key to all this you can attain all what you need by letting go in stillness or movement its that simple dont make Kunlun out to be a secret art or something that it truly aint when there is more then one method to achieve spontaneous movement. Plus there is no evidence that Kun lun or spontaneous movement will be better for you health. Most of the people on this forum that train Kunlun are fat and over weight, trying to kick smoking habits , bad eating and they still been doing Kunlun and seen max for over 1 yr. Some have now gone to jenny to learn but still there is no evidience that spontaneous movement is better then a good ol fashion walk on the beach or pumping iron.

 

Do something you like in life, form or formless does it bring better health that is most important rather talk about sticking to fences and or believing you disappear, learning from dead ancestors, etc. Just do something to keep your body healthy!

 

Live in the now and let go, dont be too serious that is all you need.....

 

Ape

[Aetherous]

Ive done 6 months 7 days a week of martial arts and meditation I know what im talking about!!! rolleyes.gif

 

Good work Ape! You probably know a lot more than someone who hasn't done any.

 

Just let go that is the key to all this you can attain all what you need by letting go in stillness or movement its that simple dont make Kunlun out to be a secret art or something that it truly aint when there is more then one method to achieve spontaneous movement.

 

The practices in Kunlun are an art...and spontaneous movement is not the goal.

 

Plus there is no evidence that Kun lun or spontaneous movement will be better for you health. Most of the people on this forum that train Kunlun are fat and over weight, trying to kick smoking habits , bad eating and they still been doing Kunlun and seen max for over 1 yr. Some have now gone to jenny to learn but still there is no evidience that spontaneous movement is better then a good ol fashion walk on the beach or pumping iron.

 

I agree.

 

Do something you like in life, form or formless does it bring better health that is most important rather talk about sticking to fences and or believing you disappear, learning from dead ancestors, etc. Just do something to keep your body healthy!

 

Live in the now and let go, dont be too serious that is all you need.....

 

I agree.

[Spirit Ape]

Kunlun or Jennys art level 1 starts with form (holding the ball) plus feet raised this is form which brings you your spontaneous movements. Without it (form) level 1 you wouldnt have understood what it (kunlun) was about. So please dont go knocking form when indeed you have learnt form which made you understand formless.

 

You can attain through form, monks sit in one position in meditation usually (lotus) which is form, what goes on inside them and outside of them is formless. So sticking to a way to do something the same each time is form even when its static standing meditation (Jaam Jong) or sitting on chair heels raised holding ball posture is form work.

 

6 months too long....

 

Ape Out!!

 

You can do stillness meditation and you will get movement inside and sometimes outside, you can do movement and it takes you to stillness of the mind.

 

Its one in the same thing just different paths to getting there....

 

Ape

 

You can do stillness meditation and you will get movement inside and sometimes outside, you can do movement and it takes you to stillness of the mind.

 

Its one in the same thing just different paths to getting there....

 

Ape