Keep it clean please

[Pietro]

It is unfortunately appropriate that I have to use this thread to once again ask you Patrick to refrain from your vulgar language in this forum.

 

Thank you,

 

Hi Stigweard,

I was curious about this thread. I read it in full. I seem to have missed it before. I also never found anything objectionable with Patrick behaviour. Not by my standards, by any standards. This probably says something about how little do I read about some topics.

 

But after your post I was curious, so I went to see Patrick posts. There is a function that let you find all the posts from a person. Or at least I believe it is all of them. In short I could not find a single post that I found objectionable in there from after the 1st of November, in the last week. Could you please tell me what are you refering to? I really don't get it.

 

Many thanks,

Pietro

[Stigweard]

Hi Stigweard,

I was curious about this thread. I read it in full. I seem to have missed it before. I also never found anything objectionable with Patrick behaviour. Not by my standards, by any standards. This probably says something about how little do I read about some topics.

 

But after your post I was curious, so I went to see Patrick posts. There is a function that let you find all the posts from a person. Or at least I believe it is all of them. In short I could not find a single post that I found objectionable in there from after the 1st of November, in the last week. Could you please tell me what are you refering to? I really don't get it.

 

Many thanks,

Pietro

 

All this is from Patrick in two posts on the same day:

 

 

if you f***k with me I'll kill you.

 

Margaret Thatcher is a whore and so is Bill Clinton!

 

Hey Saudi Arabia is ran by power pissed nutters

 

America isn't f***d by the government it's f***d by it's own vanity and greed

 

I've been to Washington and it's a s**t hole

 

I've never seen so many tight arsed beaky f****rs in all my life

 

we've got another grinning f**k that will send people to war

 

you'll believe any old s**t you're fed!

 

 

If the general consensus is that this sort of language and vulgarity is acceptable on this forum then obviously I am in the wrong place.

[Birch]

It's not porn Darin it's beauty and our yearning to be whole again. The image is of an androgynous person that may be a beautiful women or a beautiful man, what do you think? So what do you see the beauty or the conditioning of your programming?

 

 

Looks like a girl to me. But guessing some guys would say she's ambiguous because her breasts aren't what they'd define as feminine. So I get your dig. I'd love to quote Shakira's line about hers here but won't;-)

 

Pat, you're terribly provoc with this thread. What's up? If you want to do Kunlun, just go ahead. If your guy Max is a dud then you'll find out soon enough. I'm too scared/cynical to do it myself. Not a problem though, I've got a whole other bunch of weird stuff to try since I discovered this forum.

 

Cheers,

 

Kate

[Pietro]

If the general consensus is that this sort of language and vulgarity is acceptable on this forum then obviously I am in the wrong place.

 

No, no. This place is quite civilised by now.

Unfortunately.

[Desert Eagle]

we've got another grinning f**k that will send people to war

 

you can still use the ignore button

[Aetherous]

No, no. This place is quite civilised by now.

Unfortunately.

 

I kind of agree...if I'm understanding you right.

 

People swear. It's not the most polite or intelligent way to behave...but we shouldn't expect to control what everyone else does. Only what we do.

 

Some of us don't mind the swearing...and actually I personally think people should speak freely. It makes me more relaxed when people aren't afraid to speak how they want...dirty language and all.

 

Tao Te Ching, 18

 

Therefore,

When the great Way was forsaken,

there was humaneness and righteousness;

When cunning and wit appeared, there was great falsity;

When the six family relationships lacked harmony,

there were filial piety and parental kindness;

When the state and royal house were in disarray,

there were upright ministers."

Edited November 7, 2008 by Scotty

[Pietro]

Edited November 7, 2008 by Pietro

[Stigweard]

This place has changed, quite a bit.

 

I personally, if I had the social strength, which right now I don't, I would call your bluff.

Because it is quite an act of passive aggression to say that "either this changes, or I'll go away.".

But to do so, without having any intention to go away, is frankly offensive.

 

I appreciate your words ... there was however no 'bluff' intended at all. It is merely an obvious fact that if I don't agree with the environment or the company I am in then I will first politely request an adjustment of the behaviour I don't agree with (which I have done), and then as I said, if the consensus is that such behaviour is acceptable to the community at large then it is obviously not where I am meant to be. It is a fairly straight and simple choice.

 

Patrick was suspended a month ago for exactly the same behaviour as he is exhibiting now. What makes it unacceptable a month ago and acceptable now? He obviously has not bothered to be considerate of the previous consensus.

[SiliconValley]

No, no one can do it right now. Not with the current administration (i.e. Sean), not with the current clima. Hell two people being thrown out in less than a month!

 

 

Okay, gotchya, you have made your point....like you did several times before...using every opportunity possible, even when it does not present itself! Is it some past ghost that returns to haunt or ...

 

It does not hurt to repeat that Sean is doing an amazing job, does it? Okay! I just did that and it felt good

[mat black]

Hear Ye

As a polite request could we please keep posts clean, respectful and free of unnecessary expletives.

 

Thank you

 

_/\_

>>nods in quite agreement<<

When we speak using foul language we are simply spreading our internal pollution outwards.......and there are people or things that will sooner or later probably pick up on it and continue the process, potientially reflecting it back to us 10 fold. This can just create a perpetual cylce that goes on and on.

We actually have an amazing responsibilty in life to try as best we can to cause no deliberate offense to any being.

I've been guilty of harsh speech and gestures too many times which has caused hurt to myself and others, but if we recognise it and subsequently at least make an effort to 'keep it clean', it can go a long way to harmonising ourselves and creating a more peaceful environment all round. - That's the influence our words can have - it can go either way depending on us.

Edited November 7, 2008 by mat black

[SiliconValley]

We actually have an amazing responsibility in life to try as best we can to cause no deliberate offense to any being.

 

Amazingly well-said ...

[Stigweard]

Hear Ye

 

>>nods in quite agreement<<

When we speak using foul language we are simply spreading our internal pollution outwards.......and there are people or things that will sooner or later probably pick up on it and continue the process, potientially reflecting it back to us 10 fold. This can just create a perpetual cylce that goes on and on.

We actually have an amazing responsibilty in life to try as best we can to cause no deliberate offense to any being.

I've been guilty of harsh speech and gestures too many times which has caused hurt to myself and others, but if we recognise it and subsequently at least make an effort to 'keep it clean', it can go a long way to harmonising ourselves and creating a more peaceful environment all round. - That's the influence our words can have - it can go either way depending on us.

 

Cheers for this Matt ... _/\_

[Patrick Brown]

It is unfortunately appropriate that I have to use this thread to once again ask you Patrick to refrain from your vulgar language in this forum.

Stig you're talking rubbish me-ol-mucker! Anybody with a true spiritual sense knows that things are what they are and trying to 'become' something is an aspect of the illusion that the masses are entrapped in. But I doubt you get that hence your 'opinion' of me.

 

So I offend you? You have absolutely no idea how much your machinations offend me. No doubt you've been messaging Sean in another pitiful attempt to get me banned again? Why? Perhaps my stepping on your foot is systematic of some deeper need that you yearn for?

 

Patrick was suspended a month ago for exactly the same behaviour as he is exhibiting now. What makes it unacceptable a month ago and acceptable now? He obviously has not bothered to be considerate of the previous consensus.

Actually I was banned last time, mainly, for a pic of an androgynous women that I posted. People complained that it might cause them to loose their jobs.

 

Any child can buy a newspaper (The Sun) here in the UK and it has topless pix of women. UK television has shows talking about quite extreme sexual acts, some of which are pretty disgusting (felching, don't google as it's not nice, well maybe not!), as well as nudity and explicit sexual scenes. Yes I mentioned Google and as we know any person of any age can get explicit images, and videos, any time they like so a few 'f-words' hardly seems a big deal to me. I'm sure Christian forums aren't aware of Google so they may be a safe haven some?

 

Hmm it's not about morality it's about enlightenment. Something about logs, eyes and ointment! So much for pearls of wisdom.

 

Hear Ye

 

>>nods in quite agreement<<

When we speak using foul language we are simply spreading our internal pollution outwards.......and there are people or things that will sooner or later probably pick up on it and continue the process, potientially reflecting it back to us 10 fold. This can just create a perpetual cylce that goes on and on.

We actually have an amazing responsibilty in life to try as best we can to cause no deliberate offense to any being.

I've been guilty of harsh speech and gestures too many times which has caused hurt to myself and others, but if we recognise it and subsequently at least make an effort to 'keep it clean', it can go a long way to harmonising ourselves and creating a more peaceful environment all round. - That's the influence our words can have - it can go either way depending on us.

Sorry Matt but you're talking pseudo spirituality there mate. People can only be what they are and conforming to some, supposed, ideal is like trying to put square pegs in round holes. Yes I've had a good few slaps in my time, which is fine, but I don't go around trying to tell people how they should or shouldn't live their life. Having said that I can smell bullsh*t from a mile away.

 

I think it comes down to open-mindedness with a good pinch of tolerance. Or perhaps people miss the good old days of public hangings for bun theft?

[Pietro]

Okay, gotchya, you have made your point....like you did several times before...using every opportunity possible, even when it does not present itself! Is it some past ghost that returns to haunt or ...

 

It does not hurt to repeat that Sean is doing an amazing job, does it? Okay! I just did that and it felt good

 

Or what? Be banned too?

 

SiliconValley, this is where I come from. What should I do? Shut up, and see thic community become a sterile place. Or talk and drive on me the critic of all the new people (you see, I did it again!) who see this place as yet another forum?

 

But let me share something. And please understand, this IS NOT a critc to Sean. I critic someone when I say that he is not doing good. But how do you call it saying that someone is doing good, but he can do better? I call it suggestion for improvements.

 

This forum originated from another forum. The other forum had as webmaster a man called James. Now James would generally never intervene. To the point that often we did not even know if he was present or not. The forum was the official forum of the Healing Tao.

At some point an instructor came to this forum. And this was a kickass instructor, he was a senior instructor, instructor also in another school, and an acupunturist. He also wrote one or two books.

 

So he arrived, started giving suggestions, and copying his notes from the acupunturist school. I still have them somwhere. He also somehow mentioned that he was teaching here and there.

 

Eventually Plato drove him away. In one historical post he wrote something about subtle advertisments. I don't remember the exact words, but the tone was harsh. The instructor left. Later that instructor met Michael Winn (who was officially in charge of the place), and protested for how he has been treated. Michael contacted James. And James answered: "he came with the 'I know it all'-attitude, and had his ass kicked by the community. That was just the energy at work". That's how I realised that James has not been absent the whole time. This is what I would call an amazing job. Sean is doing a good job, is keeping the majority happy, and manages to do this without getting crazy, which in itself is quite an achievement. But don't kid yourself: real Te looks like no Te.

 

High TE? No TE!

That's what TE is.

Low Te doesn't lack TE:

That's what TE is not

 

The highest TE take no action

and don't need to act

The lowest TE take action

and do need to act

 

Those highest in benevolence take action

But don't need to act

Those highest in righteusness take action

and do need to act

Those high in propriety take action

And if people don't reciprocate

Roll up their sleeves abd throw them out

From the Addiss Lombardo translation.

[Patrick Brown]

Great quote.

 

shontonga got it right with her reply here: http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&amp...ost&p=87240

 

Instead of alienating me she made me love her while still advising me. Now that's great Kung Fu!

 

I kind of agree...if I'm understanding you right.

 

People swear. It's not the most polite or intelligent way to behave...but we shouldn't expect to control what everyone else does. Only what we do.

 

Some of us don't mind the swearing...and actually I personally think people should speak freely. It makes me more relaxed when people aren't afraid to speak how they want...dirty language and all.

 

Tao Te Ching, 18

 

Therefore,

When the great Way was forsaken,

there was humaneness and righteousness;

When cunning and wit appeared, there was great falsity;

When the six family relationships lacked harmony,

there were filial piety and parental kindness;

When the state and royal house were in disarray,

there were upright ministers."

Yes good stuff.

 

 

Thirty-three

 

Knowing others is wisdom;

Knowing the self is enlightenment.

Mastering others requires force;

Mastering the self needs strength.

He who knows he has enough is rich.

Perseverance is a sign of willpower.

He who stays where he is endures.

To die but not to perish is to be eternally present.

Edited November 7, 2008 by Patrick Brown

[ZenStatic]

I come here to learn and be inspired by other folks on the Way, not to have my mind and energy sullied by the few who insist on using derogatory language and low character.

 

As a polite request could we please keep posts clean, respectful and free of unnecessary expletives.

 

Thank you

 

_/\_

 

 

Patrick,

 

As respectfully as I can I would like to say that your manner in this forum is unacceptable. It would seem that you gain a immense personal satisfaction from depositing your "derogatory language and low character" in every thread you can.

 

For everyone's benefit, including yours, I am asking you to desist and refrain from such behaviour. There are plenty of other forums around that accept and even applaud such vulgarity but this is not one of them.

 

So, quite simply and directly, I suggest you either cultivate some decency or leave and never come back.

 

I appreciate your words ... there was however no 'bluff' intended at all. It is merely an obvious fact that if I don't agree with the environment or the company I am in then I will first politely request an adjustment of the behaviour I don't agree with (which I have done), and then as I said, if the consensus is that such behaviour is acceptable to the community at large then it is obviously not where I am meant to be. It is a fairly straight and simple choice.

 

Patrick was suspended a month ago for exactly the same behaviour as he is exhibiting now. What makes it unacceptable a month ago and acceptable now? He obviously has not bothered to be considerate of the previous consensus.

 

 

See, now I have to say that I find your entire demeanor throughout this thread, truly piss poor and offensive.

 

First, you blame others for problems with your own cultivation. If seeing a few swear words ruins your mind and energy, then wouldn't that mean that you have them too fragile to begin with?

 

Then, you have the unbelievable gall to talk like this is YOUR forum. YOUR standards are the not the standards everyone else in this world lives by. My next little point has just as much to do with cultivation as it does your attitude. Now, there is only 1 person on this forum that I have talked very much with 1 on 1, and I'm quite sure he would have no problem saying I have a huge ways to go in cultivation. But I honestly believe, in this instance, I have a little wisdom that I can impart to you. If you persist in running away from things that offend your sensibilities or may be stumbling blocks to your cultivation, then you're not really cultivating at all. The Tao isn't just for people that live in monasteries, where everything is kept as pure as possible, it is for everyone. If you find profanity affects you that much, then THAT should become a focus of your cultivation. Because I gotta tell you, Patrick isn't even that bad. I hear worse than anything he posts, just walking down the street here in Brooklyn. So would you avoid ever coming to Brooklyn, because so many people use profanity right on the streets? Perhaps I am wrong, and I'm sure I will be told so if I am, but a strong cultivator can adapt to any environment; they don't require the environment to adapt to them.

[Patrick Brown]

What gets me is that I'm now a bit frightened to open my mouth! I did get a PM from Sean today basically telling me to chill, which was fine, but that together with a bunch of remarks make me feel slightly hounded. It's kinda like censorship via oppression. Yes I can come across as pretty opinionated, I'm aware of that, but I am often simply vocalising what others are thinking.

 

My comments about the farce of the American election probably rang true with most people here. So I chucked in a few colourful words but I hardly and honestly think most open-minded people wouldn't take offence. I mean do people think Bill Clinton is some kinda saint? As for Margaret Thatcher she sold off most of the UK's government ran assets to buSINess so that we all have to pay twice the price for the services. What's even more crass is that tax payers are having to bail out the banks because of their lies and greed. As I've often said in the past governments have sold out to buSINess so people are now secondary to profits.

 

Sorry to my fans for the lack of swearing which I would have normally used to punctuate my points above.

 

But here's a funny picture to make up for the loss:

 

Edited November 7, 2008 by Patrick Brown

[Wayfarer64]

I'm not sure this forum needs any police action to keep us clean or socially acceptable or any other imposed objective that any one of us may feel needs doing -

 

I went thru a period where I was on Mr. Denty's case for what I felt was obusive language and narrow-minded castigation of other's systems of gaining knowledge -and/or seeking of wisdom -

 

I bet we can each deliver our thoughts without holding back and without demeaning those we feel we need to oppose...

 

but I will never curtail my language to assuage another's sensabilities, that is not my way damn it!

[thedole]

I'm sitting on the fence for this one. Any swearing or pictures of women who are supposed to be androgynous(even though she didn't have doule D's I only found her HOT) don't bother me personally. I do swear and I've spent more time looking at porn then I have spent meditating over the years. But I don't really see the necessity of cursing in a online community like this. Swearing is a spontaneous outlet of negative energy for me and not a language enricher. But I guess other people have other perceptions of this going to extremes in any direction and anything inbetween. The naked women only gives me a hindrance to scale on my path to a less lust saturated mind.

 

I think it would not be anything wrong with either decision, but I think my centre of gravity is slightly towards the side of the fence where this is unaccepted. Not because I think it is so bad as it is now but, because such places fast spin out of control and I think it is fully possible to make a point without this. Maybe some people who find it offensive could grow from having it allowed, but I think people who tend to curse can grow from needing to restrain themselves also..

 

Personally I have a hard time taking stuff seriously if it is said with excessive cursing and usually just turn around and look elsewhere.

[Pero]

Personally I have a hard time taking stuff seriously if it is said with excessive cursing and usually just turn around and look elsewhere.

 

Right, excessive being the key word. Pietro mentioned the old Healing Tao forum. I remember visiting once. Basically all I could see was swearing and so I simply thought that the board is populated mostly by trolls and never came back. I don't like excessive or often but I don't mind using/reading a swear word here and there, so here is good, although it became a little sissified perhaps...

 

 

 

(edit: fixed some mistakes)

Edited November 7, 2008 by Pero

[Stigweard]

[Patrick Brown]

[zanshin]

I find Patrick's pictures gorgeous, this is from a 30+ year old mommy with young kids frequently looking over her shoulder.

 

Patrick I'm sorry you got banned for that and I'm glad you're back.

[Patrick Brown]

I find Patrick's pictures gorgeous, this is from a 30+ year old mommy with young kids frequently looking over her shoulder.

 

Patrick I'm sorry you got banned for that and I'm glad you're back.

Thank you and please help yourself to some pudding!

[thelerner]

Tasteful or not, if the guy who runs the board says no nude pictures then if you post'em there are consequences. That was the case last time. Sean said (repeatedly) don't, Patrick did, got banned. It seems links are o.k..?

 

Personally I like'em but when I'm playing in someone's house I respect their rules. Likewise if the homeowner says play nice, its not about free speech. Go outside scream at the top of your lungs, loud loud loud. But in the house keep it down, play nice.

 

Disagree, disagree strongly, with wit and evidence. Also and this is a hard one, know when to drop it. After you've made you're point, hit the nail on the head, pounded it through the floor and into the basement, drop it. Walk away for a bit. The good fight has become soured.

 

I say this as a reformed online jerk who broke these rules many times when I was young and full of piss and vinegar.

 

 

Michael