Secrets of Universe

[Li Jiong]

There are some information in our school come from last civilization circle. I will reveal some here. Darwinism says humanity's ancestor is simian, it is really a bullshit. As we know, humanity has been in universe for at least giga years. Merely tens thousand years ago, human still can fly on the sky and live under the water. Somehow we lost these abilities now.

 

Universe contains everything, but do you know, it comes from Wuji, and at anytime, the summation of all things is always Wuji, or we can say Zero or nothing. Is it imaginable?

 

We know the law of gravity, it seems matter all attract each other. However, as a Taoist, we know if there is a Yin, there must be a Yang. Attraction exists together with repulsion. Attraction is Yin, and repulsion is Yang. So there must be a kind of matter which repulses the matter that we are familiar with. We call this kind of matter negative mass matter.

 

The antimatter that the scientists seeking for may be just a misunderstanding of negative mass matter. When the negative mass matter meets with positive mass matter, they can be annihilated together, both disappear, and a huge energy will be released.

 

Ok, now we can understand why the summation of all things is always Wuji(zero). There must be a negative mass matter world in the universe, and the mass is equal with the mass of positive mass matter world which we are familiar with. Although the mass of each world is infinite, the summation of them is zero.

[wudangquan]

Li Jiong,

 

In your school, do you think (Newtonian) gravity actually exists, or is it just attraction between particles of the same plane?

 

For example, if we humans live in a plane between the smallest particle we can perceive physically (maybe a molecule or an atom) and the largest that we can physically perceive (probably a planet) -

 

Do you think that something bigger than a planet can attract a sub-atomic particle, by Newtonian gravity?

 

Hope I said it in a clear way, if not I can try to ask a different way.

 

Edit>>>>>

 

I also am probably one of the few people I know who don't believe in Darwinism.

 

I think - you know . . . the fossil record shows a progression from lowest to highest species.

 

However there are really no or very few intermedieate species.

 

Also we have apes, and we have men, but currently we have no apemen. We have fish and we have lizards but no fizards to be seen anywhere.

 

Near my hometown we have huge roadcuts full of sedimentated limestone, where every inch is totally encrusted in fossil -

 

but, I think that the reason that there is an obvious progression from lower to higher species is because the water buried the ocean life and the lower animals first, and the smarter ones ran for higher ground.

Edited September 24, 2008 by wudangquan

[Zhan Zhuang]

Merely tens thousand years ago, human still can fly on the sky and live under the water. Somehow we lost these abilities now.

 

[Taiji Bum]

Do the Chinese have an Atlantis or Genesis story of extremely long lived supermen?

[松永道]

Also we have apes, and we have men, but currently we have no apemen. We have fish and we have lizards but no fizards to be seen anywhere.

 

The fizards get out competed on land and in the water. In many ways, nature favors the specialists.

 

It's not strange that the missing links aren't around any more, the strange part is that it happened so fast. As Qi research progresses I think we'll find that natural selection is not just some random roll of the dice. Chemical processes in the body take place thousands of times faster than they do outside the body in the exact same conditions. There's something that guides the process, that brings things together. And I think we'll find this same force also guides the process of gamete DNA selection.

[metzu]

There are some information in our school come from last civilization circle. I will reveal some here. Darwinism says humanity's ancestor is simian, it is really a bullshit. As we know, humanity has been in universe for at least giga years. Merely tens thousand years ago, human still can fly on the sky and live under the water. Somehow we lost these abilities now.

 

Universe contains everything, but do you know, it comes from Wuji, and at anytime, the summation of all things is always Wuji, or we can say Zero or nothing. Is it imaginable?

 

We know the law of gravity, it seems matter all attract each other. However, as a Taoist, we know if there is a Yin, there must be a Yang. Attraction exists together with repulsion. Attraction is Yin, and repulsion is Yang. So there must be a kind of matter which repulses the matter that we are familiar with. We call this kind of matter negative mass matter.

 

The antimatter that the scientists seeking for may be just a misunderstanding of negative mass matter. When the negative mass matter meets with positive mass matter, they can be annihilated together, both disappear, and a huge energy will be released.

 

Ok, now we can understand why the summation of all things is always Wuji(zero). There must be a negative mass matter world in the universe, and the mass is equal with the mass of positive mass matter world which we are familiar with. Although the mass of each world is infinite, the summation of them is zero.

Personally I like the quantum theory better than anything I have ever heard, our entire universe is connected to each other by tiny atoms, which makes nothing seperate, we are all and everything, One ,whether we like it or accept it or not.

As for the past what was or wasn't is vapor in the wind, it honestly has nothing at all to do with here and now.........just entertainment" along theway" which ever way anyone happens to think they may be going.

[wudangquan]

The fizards get out competed on land and in the water. In many ways, nature favors the specialists.

 

It's not strange that the missing links aren't around any more, the strange part is that it happened so fast. As Qi research progresses I think we'll find that natural selection is not just some random roll of the dice. Chemical processes in the body take place thousands of times faster than they do outside the body in the exact same conditions. There's something that guides the process, that brings things together. And I think we'll find this same force also guides the process of gamete DNA selection.

 

 

Brother I have no idea what a gamete is, but until they come up with some fizards or reptirds or Chinchilumans the whole thing is highly suspect imho.

 

Just as an aside - Am I the only person here who believes that men walked with dinosaurs? (asking things like this - if nothing else should at least be subtle reassurance that there are no forthcoming books or dvd's to hit the market any time soon from me! haha)

[Kundaolinyi]

I'm not entirely a convinced evolutionist, but just to offer an opposing argument-

 

Fizzards... You mean a creature that both lives in water and on land, and that has both legs and fins? We call those anphibians, not fizzards, silly.

[wudangquan]

I'll see your fizzards and raise you a chinchiluman, sir!

 

So I have to come clean and say that (if it's not obvious) my non-belief in Darwinism isn't due to any kind of Taoist insight, or mysterious matrixes - I just can't get with it.

 

When I was little I wanted to be a paleontologist. Really badly.

 

My dad was one of those sorts of dads who teaches you how to play baseball, fight, camp in the woods, do math, and gives you your first rifle (Winchester, .22 bolt action) at 10 years old, with a rack, and a cleaning kit, and live rounds that you get to keep on your bedroom wall.

 

He also took me fossil hunting all the time since that's what I was interested in. At his house, I still have a pretty impressive collection of stuff. Crinoids, trilobytes, brachiopods, and other assorted vermin of that era.

 

Another thing he did was buy a literal bookcase of "creation science" material. So I'm influenced by that, for sure.

 

But there are some things . . . Like these obviously human footprints with 5 toes, and an embedded trilobyte that's been stepped on like a dirty cockroach. Or human tracks intersecting with dinosaur tracks.

 

A decent enough number of them, too.

 

And of course - everybody's first thought (and a rational one) is that they're probably faked.

 

But - there are a couple of things that are inherent in these fossils which cannot be faked.

 

For example - the mud up-push Around the periphery the mud is pushed up. So when the weight of the foot (human or dinosaur or whatever) went into the mud, it displaced and pushed up some mud around the edges. Really this can't be faked, I think.

 

Also - there are sedimented layers, which were deposited at different times. If you cut through them with a laser, the cross section looks like this:

 

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But in these fossils - it's like this:

 

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Which would lead you to maybe believe that the pressure of the bodies weight pushed those layers below the surface down where the foot landed. As far as I know there is no way to carve fossil under fossil.

 

That being said - I am a Taoist, and not a Christian evangelical or something, and I don't really believe that the earth was made by Santa Clause in 7 days.

 

But my Taoist teachers have also told me that darwinism is wrong, and almost universally agree that there was a catastrophic flood that wiped out the majority of life on the planet.

 

I just think that probably - the appearance of evolutionary progression is due to the lower species being buried and deposited first and the higher ones gaining the high ground.

 

That, and the absense of any tarantulemurs in the fossil record, or parlaying around in the trees anywhere today.

 

And . . You know - I'm probably just a big dummy who doesn't understand it all, but I don't believe in the easter bunny, PanGu, the Great Pumpkin or tarantulemurs.

 

That all being said - I find most of the creation mythologies of all cultures (Semitic, Chinese, Native American, etc.) considerably more likely than my great grandaddy eating some shrooms in Africa and shape shifting from a baboon into a Cossack.

 

All jokes aside though, within my particular Taoist cosmology, and everything that I have been taught - the earth wouldn't even exist without human life.

[Taoist81]

This is worse than the hogwash that the radio bible preachers push. At least they "try" to make it sound like there is a rational basis for their argument (despite the fact that not one (un)Intelligent Design (read: Creationism) book or other publication can be produced without numerous logical fallacies and outright lies (the whole "Thou shalt not bear false witness" thing apparently doesn't apply when defending a Bronze Age book of myths). If anyone takes a look at the actual evidence that modern science has compiled they cannot claim that evolution is not the most concise description of the facts (i.e. "Theory" just like gravitation and many others). Myths that are given in secret groups are not "facts", they are not evidence, they are not "Theories", they are stories, if the are developed with a little thought put into them they might qualify as an "Hypothesis", but if that is the case they need to be tested. This is how evolution has become a Theory, by testing both in the laboratory and in the fossil record not to mention the other fields that have helped to solidify our understanding of the mechanics of evolution.

 

However there are really no or very few intermedieate species.

 

Also we have apes, and we have men, but currently we have no apemen. We have fish and we have lizards but no fizards to be seen anywhere.

 

All species are "intermediate species". And we are primates so "apemen" is just like saying "human". We simply out ate our cousins, just as we are out eating every other species on the planet if we don't change our behavior.

[thelerner]

edited

 

I'm being way to negative. When someone states their beliefs you can agree or not. Making fun of them, trying to be 'clever', etc. is in poor taste.

 

 

Michael

[Taoist81]

To me, its not worse, its the same. Subscribe to their religion, or you're doomed. Only they can save us. We used to fly, we used to breathe under water and live in Eden (if the bible or master says it, it must be true)..live for ever as long as you believe..and send in the money.

Michael

 

Well...sure it is the same in the end. But at least the Bible Answer Man tries to make his arguments sound good. He isn't just saying "because the bible says so" even though that is the premise he is starting from. He may use bad information, but...yeah, at least he puts some effort into it, not just claiming the universe is older than actual observations have proven it to be or just dismissing evolutionary fact because his group says so without at least trying to deceive people with (fake) evidence.

 

Then again, on that note, maybe it is the Bible Creationists that are worse because they are more eloquent and have more power....

[Stigweard]

Also we have apes, and we have men, but currently we have no apemen. We have fish and we have lizards but no fizards to be seen anywhere.

 

Could this be the long lost Fizard???

 

[BigJonMud]

Wow.

 

I'd never really wondered how long humanity had been around.. not in the form of 'humanity' anyway. Especially not for a giga years. I'v gone back a long way, but can't find much back that far.

 

I suppose i'v found animal memories, and plant ones.. But their not like human experiences at all. Perhaps it took a long time for the human frame to evolve a sufficient nervous system (and the rest) to suitably contain our potential cognition. Its one thing to travel back on mind, and another to travel back through stone and earth.

Its gets too airy for me beyond there. It could just be surfing the group unconscious.

 

Thats what my sorting system seems to say. Would anyone give me a new one, that I can use:) I'd love to experience more.

[Cameron]

One trippy thing I sometimes think of is what do you think if there are human beings on many other planets in the universe..like hundreds or even thousands of other star systems filled with human civilizations of different levels of advancement of which we are just one tiny part? Maybe the reason we don't have much info on our past(missing link)is we came here from somewhere else?

 

Did you see the new Battlestar Galactica? Maybe we are all the refugees from an ancient war that came here a hundred thousand years ago and just forgot where we came from

 

Or have I been watching to much Sci Fi channel?

[mYTHmAKER]

One trippy thing I sometimes think of is what do you think if there are human beings on many other planets in the universe..like hundreds or even thousands of other star systems filled with human civilizations of different levels of advancement of which we are just one tiny part? Maybe the reason we don't have much info on our past(missing link)is we came here from somewhere else?

 

Did you see the new Battlestar Galactica? Maybe we are all the refugees from an ancient war that came here a hundred thousand years ago and just forgot where we came from

 

Or have I been watching to much Sci Fi channel?

 

Holy Moly Jumpin Avatar be still

[Li Jiong]

Li Jiong,

 

In your school, do you think (Newtonian) gravity actually exists, or is it just attraction between particles of the same plane?

 

For example, if we humans live in a plane between the smallest particle we can perceive physically (maybe a molecule or an atom) and the largest that we can physically perceive (probably a planet) -

 

Do you think that something bigger than a planet can attract a sub-atomic particle, by Newtonian gravity?

 

Hope I said it in a clear way, if not I can try to ask a different way.

 

Edit>>>>>

 

I also am probably one of the few people I know who don't believe in Darwinism.

 

I think - you know . . . the fossil record shows a progression from lowest to highest species.

 

However there are really no or very few intermedieate species.

 

Also we have apes, and we have men, but currently we have no apemen. We have fish and we have lizards but no fizards to be seen anywhere.

 

Near my hometown we have huge roadcuts full of sedimentated limestone, where every inch is totally encrusted in fossil -

 

but, I think that the reason that there is an obvious progression from lower to higher species is because the water buried the ocean life and the lower animals first, and the smarter ones ran for higher ground.

 

We call it the law of acting force, because there are not only gravity, but also repulsive force.

 

As for the origin of species, they were produced from Wuji somehow, instead of evolution. Of course, the lower species may appear earlier than the higher ones.

Edited September 24, 2008 by Li Jiong

[metzu]

Well...sure it is the same in the end. But at least the Bible Answer Man tries to make his arguments sound good. He isn't just saying "because the bible says so" even though that is the premise he is starting from. He may use bad information, but...yeah, at least he puts some effort into it, not just claiming the universe is older than actual observations have proven it to be or just dismissing evolutionary fact because his group says so without at least trying to deceive people with (fake) evidence.

 

Then again, on that note, maybe it is the Bible Creationists that are worse because they are more eloquent and have more power....

Not to get away from the topic...Secrets of the Universe.....this is a secret I discovered along theway....if anyone took the time to investigate how the bible came about, besides someone saying it was inspired by god, they would surely come to the conclusion that the book of bull shit was a creation of Constantine when he created the roman catholic church and we who have been through the christian experience and came out the other side, relize christians have slaughtered more people then Hitler Stalin or any one who has ever lived, and are still doing it, even today 1700 years later. After they produced and directed the bible They called it holy,and set us up with the boogieman. When Constatine called the council of Nicea together he had stacked the deck, to accomplish his whim. Jerome was truly Constantine's messanger, naturally constantine was its editor. It was only a short matter of time before the idea of killing in the name of jesus became popular, as the crusaders baptised and confirmed became The Crusades.........and crusaders have been bustin our balls ever since.........whether it be a religion, a government ,a corporation, or the medical professors... these are the commitees that take up space in our minds creating chaos ...confusion and anti-depresants to hide us away in creating the fear that attempts to control and manipulate humankind......to believe in a god that is so inadequate of a creator that he actually judges his own creation, and in so doing judges his own self inadequate. So we have these thousands of denominations of christians all reading out of the same book, believing in a judging god who is going to kick their butts if they don't shape up, they are everywhere, threatening with Heaven or hell concepts that are so vulnerable to the truth if they could get out of the way of there fear. C heck it out go back to the computer and ask google to guide you. The pharisees are alive and well ,there high priest sits on a throne and dictates his infallability given to him by an inadequate god,who can manipulate and control anyone who buys into the okeedoak he is dishing out, so all their followers live in bondage to an illusion. I would not be the lest surprised that The Dead sea scrolls, and the Nag Hammadi books were held by the Catholic heirarchy and released to the public at times of crisis with what they think their mission is to create more confusion and controversy. Let's see Dead sea scrolls took people off of the pope's possibly helping the Nazi's? Nag Hammadi is more recent, any suggestions of a purpose for it's being revealed when it was? Okay I revealed my secret, and what has brought me to you guys once again . Actually finding this out about the bible, brought me to questioning where Lao, Chuang, and the entire premise of the Tao really came from and knowing the shrewd and patient mind of the chinese philosophy, I can't help but believe all information has been edited by the government and presented in such a way as control and manipulate. Take the ideas of non action....or non being.....these are pretty tricky things to accomplish . Take the idea of alchemicalist, a very entertaining and impressive handle to think we are doing. It is as simple as christians saying this bread is the body and water and wine the blood of jesus, and if you honestly believe it, a transformation takes place,within the person, the only trouble comes when you have been doing it for so long you actually think you are the second coming of jesus, and longing for the transformation to end the suffering and pain of the world. Sorry been there and done that........I am thinking that the entire jesus thing may have been a creation of imagination and applied to emotional fear, destroyed our ability to think and respond honestly to life,for fear we may do something wrong, and the boogieman would get us.

Didn't realize all of that would come out when I started this response.

Even so ...for that matter............Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu certainly could have been from the imaginations of another illusionist, such as buddha and jesus..........all who were considered powertful in their individual messages.

Edited September 25, 2008 by metzu

[SiliconValley]

Did you see the new Battlestar Galactica? Maybe we are all the refugees from an ancient war that came here a hundred thousand years ago and just forgot where we came from

 

I actually believe this seriously! And when we didn't know what to eat on the new planet that we now call Earth, the early refugees came up with Burgers and Coke

[Oolong Rabbit]

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[Li Jiong]

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Edited October 15, 2008 by Li Jiong

[Li Jiong]

On the other hand, if one could not accept new knowledge, he/she will never make true progress. That's why so many are always stay in a very low level whatever how many years they have been engaged in spiritual cultivation or say meditation or Qigong. And I am one of the very few who can accept new knowledge even if it is beyond my experience. That's why I have cultivated my spiritual baby (Yang Shen) successfully within merely about 20 years of Kungfu practice and Internal Cultivation.

Edited September 25, 2008 by Li Jiong

[wudangquan]

Haha if the "Bible Man" or whatever thing was directed at me - I would really prefer if it wasn't, because I'm not a practicing Christian. I just meant to give some background on what was probably the formative process of my inclination not to believe in Darwinism.

 

I'll also try to always be friendly with people, even if they want to ridicule me for what I do or don't believe in - and try to bear in mind that I'm on a forum where people believe in babies emerging and crawling out of their foreheads from GB14. And so take it with a grain of salt.

 

Regardless though, I am not trying to convince or change anyones mind, or proselytize. Just talking and exchanging ideas. Neither do I care what people think about me as long as I am doing my best to live, think and be right.

 

That said - for all of the puritanical stuff I read about Taoism being a "religion", lineage, Daoshi vs. Dao Ren and all that - If it's such, and people want to dwell on that, than you can't pick and choose as it's convenient to your preconceived or preconditioned notions.

 

For the people who are into the all you can pay for buffet spirituality - that's fine with me too, and what you do is your choice, and I respect the decisions that you make for yourselves.

 

Here's the thing though - As long as no ears from Zhongnanhai are pressed against the doors, Taoism is not congruent with Darwinian evolution. Period.

 

I was going to say something like - so the obvious question becomes "Is you is or is you ain't?". . . .

 

But, the truth is that everybody has higher or lower enlightenment quality than others, and mine may be the lowest of all.

 

My guess is, though that if you polled all of the lineage holders, priests of high accomplishment, and diligent cultivators of the Tao in Asia - at least 85% of them wouldn't believe that they evolved from a monkey, and they would (and I can) cite semi-canonical texts to refute it.

 

Anyway, for those hoping to become better monkeys - good luck with it. I am not trying to stop you.

[Li Jiong]

Anyway, for those hoping to become better monkeys - good luck with it. I am not trying to stop you.

Yea, you bring out what I want to say!

 

For those better monkeys:

Hysteria can expose your weak mind only, nothing helpful.

[metzu]

This thought came to me as I was reading thru all these posts again including my own ignorance.

Quite possibly there are no secrets in the universe, even though humankind is constantly digging deeper and deeper into things,looking under every rock, looking into space, diving deeper into the oceans.

Quite possibly keeping still and watching nature respond to it's elements, components and forces, gives us all the internal answers we seek, we are just so busy expecting some other human bean to give it to us ,obviously ,because we don't trust or think we have it within ourselves alone, we miss it all completely.