Off Topic: Anyone Else From The USA Scared For Their Life?

[mwight]

I've never been more afraid in my life, We are on the brink of economic collapse and martial law. I have 6 years of food, multivitamins, and clean water available, but will it be enough? I am worried just about basic survival...

 

Anyone else here feel the same?

 

Is anyone else preparing?

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=70...IST%3A+ADDENDUM

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYxTzDFofZQ

 

http://blog4paul.blogspot.com/2008/10/hcr-...izona-will.html

Edited October 9, 2008 by mwight

[Pietro]

I've never been more afraid in my life, We are on the brink of economic collapse and martial law. I have 6 years of food, multivitamins, and clean water available, but will it be enough? I am worried just about basic survival...

 

Anyone else here feel the same?

 

Is anyone else preparing?

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=70...IST%3A+ADDENDUM

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYxTzDFofZQ

 

http://blog4paul.blogspot.com/2008/10/hcr-...izona-will.html

 

Why don't you leave?

Why don't you go to Mexico? Or Canada?

Why don't you go while the frontiers are still open?

 

I would not suggest that everybody need to leave, but if you are so scared (and maybe with reason), then maybe you should just be in a better place.

 

And I am coming to the US for just 2 weeks for a workshop, and I am already feeling uneasy about it.

Like walking under the leaning tower of Pisa, on a windy day, while the tower is moving and cracking.

[Junbao]

Other than some headlines, and youtube videos, everything is still normal in my life. I still have a job, still can buy food, still can cash my check at the bank. Sure, the economy is bad right now, it has been before. Being prepared is good, but no need to be alarmist until something is actually happening to you. (not you in particular mwight) People can speculate almost any circumstance or story. Connect enough dots to bring validity to a theory. Really only time will tell.

I wonder about what will happen, how we will recover, because I believe we will. But I am not scared for my life.

[doc benway]

In a word, no.

There are many threats to my life.

What is security, after all?

Is it anything more than an abstraction?

[Aetherous]

It's reasonable to be afraid, if you know history. We have lived in a time that seems like all good things will never come to an end...but keep in mind that the USA is VERY young.

 

But of course just being afraid isn't very useful.

[autopoetic]

Why don't you leave?

Why don't you go to Mexico? Or Canada?

Why don't you go while the frontiers are still open?

 

I would not suggest that everybody need to leave, but if you are so scared (and maybe with reason), then maybe you should just be in a better place.

 

And I am coming to the US for just 2 weeks for a workshop, and I am already feeling uneasy about it.

Like walking under the leaning tower of Pisa, on a windy day, while the tower is moving and cracking.

 

As someone from Canada, I feel like piping in here. If the USA goes bughouse, Canada will not be safe. Perhaps in the nothern wilderness... but imagining that a border will protect us is silly. Borders are political constructions, and if the political world goes crazy, the border means nothing.

 

That said, I'm not terribly worried right now. A recession doesn't equal martial law, fascism or famine. It happens from time to time. If nobody panics, all will be ok. I'd like to emphasize that: panic is what turns bad times into chaos. Fear gone wild is what allows a government to overstep its authority and become a monster. Just stay calm, keep perspective (yes, you may not be able to drive your car as much or buy as much crap) and things will go much smoother.

Edited October 9, 2008 by autopoetic

[Yoda]

I know a guy who camped out with machine guns and zillions of rounds for the y2k. He was disappointed overall.

[Taoist81]

I've never been more afraid in my life, We are on the brink of economic collapse and martial law. I have 6 years of food, multivitamins, and clean water available, but will it be enough? I am worried just about basic survival...

 

Anyone else here feel the same?

 

Is anyone else preparing?

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=70...IST%3A+ADDENDUM

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYxTzDFofZQ

 

http://blog4paul.blogspot.com/2008/10/hcr-...izona-will.html

 

Fear unchecked freezes you and does no good. Just keep a basic survival kit and a camping type cooker. Things might get pretty bad for a while (especially now that the bailout has been passed) but without more terrorist attacks martial law will not likely be declared. (You haven't been listening to Glenn Beck too much have you?) Also, re: specifying this to America, European and Asian countries are closer to complete government control at this point than the US is. Iceland announced today that they have nationalized most if not all of their banks, the UK is close behind, and the Euro has the Eurozone in a position that if one falls, they all do, yet they are still fighting about who is doing what.

Anyway, again, just keep yourself prepared. A good survival kit and cooker is useful even if nothing happens (which is really the most likely outcome), and this is coming from someone who slept through Ike a few weeks ago. Might want to at least get a shotgun too, just in case : )

[mwight]

not glen beck, but cspan, and reddit/digg.com. The bailout passed only because senators were told if they didn't pass it we would be living under martial law. In my opinion it's gotten too serious to ignore anymore.

[Taoist81]

not glen beck, but cspan, and reddit/digg.com. The bailout passed only because senators were told if they didn't pass it we would be living under martial law. In my opinion it's gotten too serious to ignore anymore.

 

Certainly don't ignore what is going on, but don't freak out about it either. Keep a historical perspective, there have been worse times, much worse, we just didn't have 24 hour news and constant noise telling us how bad things were. They keep saying that things are as bad as the thirties, but we didn't have many of the things then that we do now. Again, don't freak out, that is what will contribute to what you fear, just be cautious and plan ahead, like always.

[Fire Dragon]

[Taiji Bum]

I know a guy who camped out with machine guns and zillions of rounds for the y2k. He was disappointed overall.

OH.... you know my brother! LOL I spent New Years Eve with him at Y2K and he was just shocked that I was going to drive home and go to bed and not stay with him and all the guns and dried food. I guess I have spent too many years in the Army to worry about some hardship.

 

When the markets fell this week I got a major raise at work so I am not too worried. All the conspiracy theories are falling flat in my opinion but they will resurface for a bunch of new-comers soon enough I guess.

[Ryan T.]

When the markets fell this week I got a major raise at work so I am not too worried. All the conspiracy theories are falling flat in my opinion but they will resurface for a bunch of new-comers soon enough I guess.

Congratulations on the raise. Hopefully it doesn't require much more responsibility and is a result of good work already done.

 

On topic...it bums me out how much money I have lost in recent weeks and months but the markets are always a gamble to some extent. The financial world is mostly an illusion and the real problem we have right now is faith. People should realize that fear is just lack of faith. I hope people find what they need to be comfortable during these seemingly turbulent times.

 

Ultimately I am much more concerned about a global flu pandemic than I am about the financial crisis. That's when all that stored food and water would come in handy!

[gendao]

Edited October 9, 2008 by vortex

[zanshin]

Much of the selling is overdone, stock prices are back to 2003 levels, but gas is not 2$ and housing values have not decreased by half, good and sevice prices are not back to 2003 levels. I believe it's more of an opportunity to start nibbling once it stabilizes a little, if you did not get out before the bottom don't do so now, it will get better- and on the chance it degrades into utter chaos money might be worthless anyway.

Edited October 9, 2008 by zanshin

[thelerner]

Recession happens. We're over due, the business cycles of growth and bust used to move much faster. I think Taoist81 has said it best.

 

If your gut says you must prepare, honor the feeling, but realize the worst is unlikely to happen, don't burn bridges and calmly do what you need and relax having done it. Fear helps nothing.

 

 

Michael

[Taoist81]

Much of the selling is overdone, stock prices are back to 2003 levels, but gas is not 2$ and housing values have not decreased by half, good and sevice prices are not back to 2003 levels. I believe it's more of an opportunity to start nibbling once it stabilizes a little, if you did not get out before the bottom don't do so now, it will get better- and on the chance it degrades into utter chaos money might be worthless anyway.

 

Um, yeah, you are right that a perfect time to get into the market is on its way, but this would be one of the worst times for anyone who hasn't gotten out to get out. Even during the Depression stocks rebounded after a few months. The problems came from everyone emptying bank accounts and defaulting on loans....hmm, sound familiar?

[Stigweard]

Now why do you think old man Lao Tzu had his fill society hmm?

 

The surface of life will always do this; it rises and falls in chaotic ways. And if you allow yourself to be attached to it your emotional and mental state will be tossed and thrown about like a leaf in the wind.

 

Find the depths and establish your root there. Now of course you have to be mindful of the surface and respond where and when is truly appropriate, but try and develop an impartial approach to the comings and goings of worldly events and find the space deep within yourself that is calm and peaceful.

[mat black]

On the surface, the weather changes, physical health fluctuates, economics ebb & flow................in this world of manifestation, is there anything which is not unstable?

 

Now why do you think old man Lao Tzu had his fill society hmm?

 

The surface of life will always do this; it rises and falls in chaotic ways. And if you allow yourself to be attached to it your emotional and mental state will be tossed and thrown about like a leaf in the wind.

 

Find the depths and establish your root there. Now of course you have to be mindful of the surface and respond where and when is truly appropriate, but try and develop an impartial approach to the comings and goings of worldly events and find the space deep within yourself that is calm and peaceful.

 

Oh Stig, EXACTLY Excellent mate !!

[froggie]

So, what would be good foods to stock?

Canned goods with a high nutritional value and a shelf life of many years to come, sterilised milk with a very long shelf life, what else?

And how would you supply yourself with water for months or years?

[SiliconValley]

Now why do you think old man Lao Tzu had his fill society hmm?

 

The surface of life will always do this; it rises and falls in chaotic ways. And if you allow yourself to be attached to it your emotional and mental state will be tossed and thrown about like a leaf in the wind.

 

Find the depths and establish your root there. Now of course you have to be mindful of the surface and respond where and when is truly appropriate, but try and develop an impartial approach to the comings and goings of worldly events and find the space deep within yourself that is calm and peaceful.

 

 

So true....difficult, harsh at times...but TRUE ...

[mwight]

[Oolong Rabbit]

So, what would be good foods to stock?

Canned goods with a high nutritional value and a shelf life of many years to come, sterilised milk with a very long shelf life, what else?

And how would you supply yourself with water for months or years?

 

Rice, cans of beans etc... Stuff that is cheap, high in nutrition, easily storable and has a long shelf life. For water, the berkey water filters. You may never use this stuff but at least you'll sleep a little better. Also Matt Wight had a great suggestion a while back on multivitamins. You can also google disaster preparedness kits as far flashlights and other tools.

 

Namo Amitabha!

[Oolong Rabbit]

I've never been more afraid in my life, We are on the brink of economic collapse and martial law. I have 6 years of food, multivitamins, and clean water available, but will it be enough? I am worried just about basic survival...

 

Anyone else here feel the same?

 

Is anyone else preparing?

 

 

I am not affraid for myself, but worry for my children. I have taken some precautions, but perhaps not enough if the SHTF. Again, it may all be in vain, but you can always eat the food, vitamins etc...

 

As an aside I called my bank and after waiting on hold for 20 minutes asked to have my debit limit increased from $500 to $1500. Nope. They can only increase it by a max of $500 every 6 months, and had to approve me. I laughed at him and said really, for my own money!

 

Take what precautions you can brothers. I pray that this all blows over and I look like a total fool.

 

Brgds!

[h.uriahr]

I've never been more afraid in my life, We are on the brink of economic collapse and martial law. I have 6 years of food, multivitamins, and clean water available, but will it be enough? I am worried just about basic survival...

 

Anyone else here feel the same?

 

Is anyone else preparing?

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=70...IST%3A+ADDENDUM

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYxTzDFofZQ

 

http://blog4paul.blogspot.com/2008/10/hcr-...izona-will.html

Economic collapse....you know that the unemployment rate is america is actually down and low? It's at 6%.