Yasel4life Posted October 10, 2008 I'm undecided on who to learn from for a tried and tested system of Nei Gung. I have looked into Gary Clyman's Mind Light Nei Gung and Spring Forest Qigung (not Nei Gung, but his most advance course says is for self Enlightenment it says on his page). Any suggestions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spectrum Posted October 10, 2008 I think Gary is a good guy. He cuts through the rough by teaching tai chi as a chi gung right away. For a rounder gentleman his stances are nice. Very high energy individual. Call him up and talk to him! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
h.uriahr Posted October 10, 2008 He's not good enough to be as much of a dick as he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SiliconValley Posted October 10, 2008 Wow...its expensive ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
h.uriahr Posted October 10, 2008 By the way, I'm not saying he isnt good, what I'm saying is, he's not so good that he can charge that much money and be that much of dick. SFQ is really phenomenal. What exactly are you trying to achieve when you imagine training in neigong? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest sykkelpump Posted October 10, 2008 I'm undecided on who to learn from for a tried and tested system of Nei Gung. I have looked into Gary Clyman's Mind Light Nei Gung and Spring Forest Qigung (not Nei Gung, but his most advance course says is for self Enlightenment it says on his page). Any suggestions? yes,I have tried it.He teaches condensing breathing which really generates extremely much energy if you get the hang of it.His whole system depends on the condensing breathing,but if you dont master it the rest is about worthless.some friends of mine tried it and did not manage to learn it.I was very good at it,but suddenly i could not do it anymoore.dont know why,very frustrating .kept trying for years to get it back,because the energy was so strong.I belive if anyone master the condensing breathing it want take long time to open channels and learn empty force.so you are taking a chance,if you can learn condensing breathing clymans system is worth the price.I am not sure but I think the white skeleton meditation will give you about the same energy level.and that is cheap to get.Spring forest is the safest choice IMO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trunk Posted October 10, 2008 Here's (link) a previous thread about 'm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spectrum Posted October 10, 2008 by good i mean i would like touch hands w him. the confidence/cockiness angle doesn't mean anything. Its his embodiment. Half of everyones words are meaningless jargonl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trunk Posted October 10, 2008 by good i mean i would like touch hands w him. the confidence/cockiness angle doesn't mean anything. Looking at his body, I'd agree that he has some development. His personality was just so outrageous that I literally couldn't stand to watch his video. So, in my case, the latter element was just too much: "your reaction may vary". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
松永道 Posted October 10, 2008 Clyman says it himself, his system begins and ends with the lower Dantian. If you're looking for health and power, then I think it's good, it is neigong (unlike many systems which call themselves neigong but actually aren't). However, neigong was developed for enlightenment and higher understanding of the universe, Clyman clearly doesn't use his neigong for these purposes. A complete neigong system doesn't begin and end with the lower Dantian, it only begins there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yasel4life Posted October 11, 2008 By the way, I'm not saying he isnt good, what I'm saying is, he's not so good that he can charge that much money and be that much of dick. SFQ is really phenomenal. What exactly are you trying to achieve when you imagine training in neigong? Firstand foremost, thanks for your reply! Basically I want a system that gives me the ability to slow down aging and stay strong physically, the ability to use energy to heal and defend myself like DJ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml0j2ZkQ7WQ, and lastly will take me to enlightenment (whatever that is). That's my dream and what I call a Complete System! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
h.uriahr Posted October 11, 2008 Firstand foremost, thanks for your reply! Basically I want a system that gives me the ability to slow down aging and stay strong physically, the ability to use energy to heal and defend myself like DJ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml0j2ZkQ7WQ, and lastly will take me to enlightenment (whatever that is). That's my dream and what I call a Complete System! You'll get alot of opinions about Sifu Chang. Any basic qigong system should do all of what you want. The video you posted is a system of neigong called the Mo Pai System and some will tell you it's closed, some will tell you it's sort of open and some dont believe he's real. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yasel4life Posted October 12, 2008 You'll get alot of opinions about Sifu Chang. Any basic qigong system should do all of what you want. The video you posted is a system of neigong called the Mo Pai System and some will tell you it's closed, some will tell you it's sort of open and some dont believe he's real. Yeah, I went ahead and read some more on the Mo Pai System and it's to controversial as you stated. On the search I found a similar one called Longmen Pai and another called Zheng Zong Da Dao. Any comments on those or any suggestions from your part? THANKS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
h.uriahr Posted October 12, 2008 Yeah, I went ahead and read some more on the Mo Pai System and it's to controversial as you stated. On the search I found a similar one called Longmen Pai and another called Zheng Zong Da Dao. Any comments on those or any suggestions from your part? THANKS Longmen Pai isnt at all like Mo Pai Neigong. You must have some money saved up lol. Zheng Zong Da Dao...I'm sure you've been to a carlot before and I'm sure you've met those salesmen that everyone hates because they wont leave you alone and they pressure you and when you buy the car you get home and you feel used and broke. You will get varying opinions about David Verdesi. When you buy a 200k dollar car and you get beat by an 80k Z06 Corvette you suddenly come up with all kinds of reasons as to why your car, even though you lost, is still better than that Corvette. When you spend all that money, you get defensive and no matter what anyone says, it was worth it when deep down you know you got hosed. John Chang is very real. The Mo Pai is a very simple system and it works. There are of course, other methods of that neigong system, aka thunderpath, and some work way better. With that said, what it comes down to is how you specifically want to train. Neigong and qigong, in the end, can produce similar results but neigong, hands down will produce way more power because of the isolation of the dantien. There will be alot of people hating on me in here because I'm such a dick but I do know neigong, and I know it well. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
h.uriahr Posted October 12, 2008 Longmen Pai isnt at all like Mo Pai Neigong. You must have some money saved up lol. Zheng Zong Da Dao...I'm sure you've been to a carlot before and I'm sure you've met those salesmen that everyone hates because they wont leave you alone and they pressure you and when you buy the car you get home and you feel used and broke. You will get varying opinions about David Verdesi. When you buy a 200k dollar car and you get beat by an 80k Z06 Corvette you suddenly come up with all kinds of reasons as to why your car, even though you lost, is still better than that Corvette. When you spend all that money, you get defensive and no matter what anyone says, it was worth it when deep down you know you got hosed. John Chang is very real. The Mo Pai is a very simple system and it works. There are of course, other methods of that neigong system, aka thunderpath, and some work way better. With that said, what it comes down to is how you specifically want to train. Neigong and qigong, in the end, can produce similar results but neigong, hands down will produce way more power because of the isolation of the dantien. There will be alot of people hating on me in here because I'm such a dick but I do know neigong, and I know it well. Well atleast youre not in denial abou things lol Yeah, I went ahead and read some more on the Mo Pai System and it's to controversial as you stated. On the search I found a similar one called Longmen Pai and another called Zheng Zong Da Dao. Any comments on those or any suggestions from your part? THANKS I think what the problem is, is that you have people who dont believe in those powers, people who do believe in those powers, and then people who believe in those powers and think they know how to achieve those powers when they really dont. It's basically about committment. There was a saying, all roads lead to Rome. They still do. You can pick silk reeling qigong, which I hear is fantastic, and develop power, but it takes dedication. The only thing that I'd spend 7500 on is a passport, a ticket, and a guide. David doesnt seem credible but then again who does? The only problem I hear about really is that he knows ALL these masters but what's the point? An MMA fighter cant master one certain art if all he does is train in everything imaginable. He may or may not actually know these masters but for 7500 it's an expensive gamble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted October 12, 2008 There will be alot of people hating on me in here because I'm such a dick but I do know neigong, and I know it well. I highly doubt you know Mo Pai. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
h.uriahr Posted October 12, 2008 I highly doubt you know Mo Pai. Doubt as highly as you wish. Matter of fact, let's just all doubt together You can sit there and doubt all day long about the fact that I often times meditate for 5-8 hours a day but hey, who am I? I am. Simple as that. There really is no satisfactory way to prove or disprove that I do or do not know Mo Pai Neigong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
宁 Posted October 12, 2008 Longmen Pai isnt at all like Mo Pai Neigong. You must have some money saved up lol. Zheng Zong Da Dao...I'm sure you've been to a carlot before and I'm sure you've met those salesmen that everyone hates because they wont leave you alone and they pressure you and when you buy the car you get home and you feel used and broke. You will get varying opinions about David Verdesi. When you buy a 200k dollar car and you get beat by an 80k Z06 Corvette you suddenly come up with all kinds of reasons as to why your car, even though you lost, is still better than that Corvette. When you spend all that money, you get defensive and no matter what anyone says, it was worth it when deep down you know you got hosed. John Chang is very real. The Mo Pai is a very simple system and it works. There are of course, other methods of that neigong system, aka thunderpath, and some work way better. With that said, what it comes down to is how you specifically want to train. Neigong and qigong, in the end, can produce similar results but neigong, hands down will produce way more power because of the isolation of the dantien. There will be alot of people hating on me in here because I'm such a dick but I do know neigong, and I know it well. Hi there, there were two kinds of people that marketed about neigong on this forum, and I hope you're neither. Not because I like you - you seem to fit your description of a dick - but because they were too many. The first ones bragged and said nothing, the second ones bragged even more and revealed too little to nothing. I wonder what you mean by the "insolation of the dantien" thing. That being said, dick doesn't mean not cool L1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
h.uriahr Posted October 13, 2008 Hi there, there were two kinds of people that marketed about neigong on this forum, and I hope you're neither. Not because I like you - you seem to fit your description of a dick - but because they were too many. The first ones bragged and said nothing, the second ones bragged even more and revealed too little to nothing. I wonder what you mean by the "insolation of the dantien" thing. That being said, dick doesn't mean not cool L1 The lower dantien is a huge power center waiting for you to cultivate and feed it. Neigong isolates the lower dantien in that you train specifically with the lower dantien. You train for quite some time with just the lower dantien. I cant stress enough that the lower dantien if used correctly can open yourself up to so many things. Now for those that will argue against this, I'm not saying this is the only way to train. Neigong however, uses the lower dantien. It can harvest such a remarkable amount of power. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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h.uriahr Posted October 13, 2008 Gary is a good guy and his system does work, especially for Martial application. After condensing you learn to accelerate the energy or increase the vibration. I have met him and tested his skill, he has some nice striking power. Personally I would not choose it for enlightenment.... even if you train with his teacher Master Liao when you reach a certain stage he will point you to someone else..... (a monk in TW). There is some good stuff in there though...... Have you used his mind light neigong? If you have I think the question is do you personally think that it's worth 7500? I just know 7500 is alot to spit out. I'm not sure if his mind light is worth a crap or not but it seems that noone has actually used that particular product of his. If all he can do is deliver powerful strikes I wouldnt suggest buying the system. Real neigong, as with anything else will help lay the path for enlightenment. It might not be overnight but as you progress certain things will become more clear to you. Neigong is a science, not a religion but you cant really feel the things you will feel without gaining more understanding you know? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
宁 Posted October 13, 2008 The lower dantien is a huge power center waiting for you to cultivate and feed it. Neigong isolates the lower dantien in that you train specifically with the lower dantien. You train for quite some time with just the lower dantien. I cant stress enough that the lower dantien if used correctly can open yourself up to so many things. Now for those that will argue against this, I'm not saying this is the only way to train. Neigong however, uses the lower dantien. It can harvest such a remarkable amount of power. hey thanx, that was nice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Desert Eagle Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) Gary is a good guy and his system does work, especially for Martial application. After condensing you learn to accelerate the energy or increase the vibration. I have met him and tested his skill, he has some nice striking power. Personally I would not choose it for enlightenment.... even if you train with his teacher Master Liao when you reach a certain stage he will point you to someone else..... (a monk in TW). There is some good stuff in there though...... Have you used his mind light neigong? If you have I think the question is do you personally think that it's worth 7500? This is my experience and opinion so you may take it as it is. I remember "Mind Light" being advertised many years ago when I bought his "Tidal Wave Chi Kung" It was not good (Tidal Wave), he was just standing there doing a lot of forced breathing like a HEPA air filter with egotistical visualizations as if his over-bearing personality will force you by the compulsion of the lord to believe in and complete the microcosmic circulation at gary's cue in order to be saved, and it was for 600+ $ and he did not want to refund me. I emailed him politely and he replied with profanities. I was too passive for this and was more interested in finding better instructions, so I took this loss as experience. I tried the breathing of course and it was too lung-intensive and I got pneumonia afterwords. I bought his stuff because it was the first time I was exposed to the concept of "Chi Kung" and I was desperate for resources, I read his entire site (70+ pages) before buying and there was a picture of him posing with what looked like Chuck Norris. It is very unfortunate that this bad example has hijacked the internet domain http://chikung.com/ thus more and more people will be exposed to him and lose a lot of money. And I didn't know about the price of "mind light" then because he hid it, and now you say it's 7500$ for some books and videos ?! He can exaggerate the prices as much as he likes, and given his kind of personality, the prices can reach the heights of 7500$ for some books and videos. You are probably better off spending that kind of money going to David Verdesi and I sincerely hope that you leave Gary Clyman alone and never buy anything from him. Better yet, check out the experienced users of this forum who are probably better off and more developed than this guy. What he teaches is not especially exclusive to him. There are many other teachers who teach similar practices. Please research other options instead of paying that kind of money. If you have no problems with spending that kind of money then you are still better off researching other sources to experience for your self the difference. EDIT: I found this older thread also negative about him http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=1302 Edited December 18, 2008 by Desert Eagle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted October 13, 2008 Thanks Desert Eagle, While it's not good to defame someone's teachings, I think it's also good to point out where someone's teachings may be useless and a waste of money. I guess the difference is in how you do it, and you did it politely and honestly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
r.w.smith Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) Isnt this Gary Clymans Neikung on Youtube ? http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=KfyAHoQAu1o I could not stop Laughing, Listen for the Big Roar at 1:28 rofl Edited October 13, 2008 by r.w.smith Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
