Gum disease

[phore]

Ok so what is a natural cure for gum disease. The kind that involves periodontal holes next to the teeth.

 

the dentist said that it was probably from plague, gave some pills to turn plaque purple, some mouthrinse fluoride based, and said to floss more.

 

what natural medicine can heal this.

 

thanks.

[mYTHmAKER]

Ok so what is a natural cure for gum disease. The kind that involves periodontal holes next to the teeth.

 

the dentist said that it was probably from plague, gave some pills to turn plaque purple, some mouthrinse fluoride based, and said to floss more.

 

what natural medicine can heal this.

 

thanks.

 

I used to thing green juices would cure.

They may help some

 

The most important thing is to floss at least once every 24 hours to break the plaque barrier.

Can't emphasize enough how important it is to floss.

Also stay away from soda and sugar

[phore]

thanks

[bindo]

Mythmaker is right. Floss, floss, floss. Also, get cleanings every 3 months, and 1 deep cleaning every year.

[i_am_sam]

oil pulling??

[karen]

the dentist said that it was probably from plaque, gave some pills to turn plaque purple, some mouthrinse fluoride based, and said to floss more.

 

That's the standard answer you get when you go to a dentist. What they don't tell you is that fluoride can harden the outer enamel of the teeth, while at the same time weakening the teeth. It's a similar concept as bone density - you can have great bone density but the bone may be brittle. They're measuring the wrong thing. I recommend avoiding fluoride completely.

 

Gums need Coenzyme Q10 in a big way. You can supplement with it, and that often makes a difference that people notice after a few weeks. You can use Vitamin C and even rinse with it. In severe cases, use a dental syringe and squirt hydrogen peroxide into the gum pockets on a daily basis for a few weeks.

 

Oil pulling. For instructions, see http://www.guideforselfhealing.com/2007/06...do-oil-pulling/

 

Flossing can be helpful, but remember that it can also make matters worse as you can push the material into the gum as you floss. Floss very gently.

 

Brush with soap, never toothpaste. Toothpaste inhibits the natural remineralization process of the teeth.

 

Warm salt water rinses are very soothing and help heal inflammations.

 

Now, you should know that it's actually very normal for gums to be inflamed from time to time. Gums and teeth are often a reflection of what's going on in the rest of the body, so inflammatory processes in the mouth are not necessarily a problem, but part of a healing process. I've gone to dentists who said I "needed" periodontal surgery. I waited, worked with home care and nutrition, worked through other life issues, and the gum inflammation resolved. I saved myself the expense and unnecessary trauma. Just an example to show you the possibilities.

 

There are many other things that can be done for teeth and gum health, depending on your individual situation. Plaque at the deepest level is a type of emotional armoring, so if you work through emotional issues you may find that you don't get as much plaque.

 

Hope that helps.

 

-Karen

[gendao]

Oil pulling sounds interesting, but I'm curious as to what exactly makes it work (and how well it actually works)?

 

I think the "real" problem is that our mouths are huge petri dishes, and toothpastes and flossing can help mechanicaly dislodge some of these bacteria and their hardened biofilms (plaque). (And perhaps also sometimes drive them deeper inside?) However, I don't believe this largely mechanical scrubbing is really adequate in the long run.

A biofilm is a well organized, cooperating community of microorganisms. The slime layer that forms on rocks in streams is a classic example of a biofilm (Figure 3). So is the plaque that forms in the oral cavity. Biofilms are everywhere in nature. They form under fluid conditions. It is estimated over 95 percent of bacteria existing in nature are in biofilms. Sometimes biofilms are seen as positive, such as their use for detoxification of waste water and sewage. More often biofilms provide a challenge for humans.

So, I think what needs to happen is not just mechanical cleaning, but also some disinfection. IOW, not just brushing some germs away, but killing off the biofilm colonies.

 

I think swishing with oxidants like ClO2 (MMS or other forms) might be one way to do this. In fact, I am starting to try this myself now, so I'll be curious to see what results I get...

 

The only concern I might have with disinfection is if "healthy flora" should also be preserved in the mouth, and if so, how not to reduce their numbers in the process?

Edited October 23, 2008 by vortex

[Wayfarer64]

after sharing a joint with an old friend who had gum disease I got the damned disease too- I've been soaking my gums with sea salt that i let disolve with saliva and that has helped alot - Hydrogine peroxide too- flossing and brushing etc -all seem to keep it ad bay - but it has not gone completely...

I may try Golden seal also - I hjear its good for the gums - love to all-

[karen]

Oil pulling sounds interesting, but I'm curious as to what exactly makes it work (and how well it actually works)?

 

Good question, and the reason goes beyond the usual explanation of how the oil somehow "sucks out" toxins from the whole body through the mouth. It's more about the subtle energy properties of the oils and how the tongue relates energetically to the whole body. You might want to check out Bruce Fife's new book on oil pulling for more details.

 

About the concept of disinfection, we have to look at why the germs are there in the first place. If we just kill them, and the same conditions exist, they'll just come back, which is the whole problem with anti-biotics, anti-fungals, anti-everything. In serious life-threatening conditions you do need to push back these organisms. And other times it can be helpful to take off some of the microbial load if a person is very weakened. But in all cases we want to get to the root of why the microbes are there in the first place.

 

In many cases what conventional medicine interprets as pathogenic is only an inflammatory process, and that may actually be part of a very important positive process. But all inflammation is thought of as bad, because they mistake effects with causes. The symptom of inflammation is not the cause, so removing it is like killing the messenger. Sometimes it can buy time, if that's what's needed, but most often it's band aid treatment and doesn't address the real cause of what is going on.

 

And as you mentioned, the crude means of killing germs isn't selective, so you kill the whole ecology. This is the problem with crude drugs in general (using the term drug in its broadest sense). They have no capacity to be selective, so they have "side effects" which really aren't side effects but primary effects, because their primary effects are so non-specific that they do a lot of things we don't want. But energy medicines ("homeopathic") can target a specific entity without affecting anything else.

 

But the bottom line is really the whole paradigm of seeing germs as culprits. Sometimes they are, but it's important to distinguish between the real pathogenic ones and the pleomorphic ones that are really only there because they are "seasonal workers" called in to help establish balance in a disturbed environment. See Dr. Hamer on the role of microbes

 

-Karen

[gendao]

And as you mentioned, the crude means of killing germs isn't selective, so you kill the whole ecology. This is the problem with crude drugs in general (using the term drug in its broadest sense). They have no capacity to be selective, so they have "side effects" which really aren't side effects but primary effects, because their primary effects are so non-specific that they do a lot of things we don't want. But energy medicines ("homeopathic") can target a specific entity without affecting anything else.

 

But the bottom line is really the whole paradigm of seeing germs as culprits. Sometimes they are, but it's important to distinguish between the real pathogenic ones and the pleomorphic ones

Well, chemical oxidation is at least somewhat selective due to typical differences between pathogenic and probiotic flora.

 

There are exceptions, but pathogenic bacteria tend to be anaerobic and ferment sugar for energy. This is why eating sugar leads to cavities - because you are feeding many of the pathogenic bacteria. And why (I believe) many are vulnerable to oxygen and oxidation (a redox reaction that does not actually require oxygen, btw).

 

Meanwhile, human cells and many probiotics are aerobic, meaning they use oxygen for fuel and are thus naturally less susceptible to oxidative stress (I believe). In fact, white blood cells actually use oxidants to kill germs, and our thyroids also do as well with iodide ions. That said, they can still get damaged or killed by powerful oxidants - which is why people take antioxidants and many OTC oxidants are only sold publically in heavily-diluted solutions (like 3% food grade H2O2).

 

Oxidation is a double-edged sword like HCl stomach acid. It can cause cellular aging, but also kills germs.

 

Anyhow, I'm definitely still pretty fuzzy on this whole area of alleged "selective oxidation," so this is just my current impression of it right now. I'm in the beginning of research on it and do not have the final say on it, by any means!

 

 

BTW, what about botanical antimicrobials like manuka or tea tree oil? Or oil-pulling, for that matter? Do these kill all bacteria, or only harmful ones? And if only the latter, how do they distinguish?

Edited October 23, 2008 by vortex

[karen]

Oxidation is a double-edged sword like HCl stomach acid. It can cause cellular aging, but also kills germs.

 

Right. Oxygen is fascinating when you look at it in terms of polarity - it has a dual function, one is anabolic, the other is catabolic. Oxygen brings consciousness (the astral impulse) into the body, in a very direct way. That's why breathing exercises are so powerful. Oxygen is necessary to neutralize amines and cyanide which would otherwise overstimulate the sympathetic nervous system - in fight-or-flight we need some stimulation produced by those amines, but they become poisonous if sustained, and oxygen deactivates them.

 

There's a whole "dynamic physiology" that goes beyond the biochemical level.. I find that looking at these things on the biochemical level only leads to more and more confusion if we don't bring in the larger context. Like in quantum physics, after a certain point the material substances seem to disappear completely .

 

 

BTW, what about botanical antimicrobials like manuka or tea tree oil? Or oil-pulling, for that matter? Do these kill all bacteria, or only harmful ones? And if only the latter, how do they distinguish?

 

That's why when we apply any therapeutics we want to know exactly what principle we are using, not just what "works" to get the effects we want. Because you can make symptoms go away easily by getting a lobotomy, if making symptoms go away is the only criteria

 

Okay, so botanical antimicrobials.. bottom line is, any anti-microbial substance if it is a crude substance is going to act on the law of opposites, unless you energize/dynamize it into a "homeopathic" remedy that can be used safely on the law of similars. Some substances will be more gentle than others - some may have more nutritive value like honey and have some other supportive properties as compared with an antibiotic drug.

 

But the important question is, what are you treating? Are you just trying to get rid of microbes in order to make symptoms go away? That's palliation, and that's fine if you know that's what it is, and if you know that you're not addressing the real cause.

 

So then you can use manuka honey, or colloidal silver or whatever anti-microbial you want, IF you have determined that the microbe is what you need to target, and the "anti-" principle, the law of opposites, is the one you really need to invoke. The deeper cause of the symptoms may be a disturbance of a different kind, in a different jurisdiction than the law of opposites. That can be diagnosed and removed according to the law of similars. Then the symptoms, the cascade of effects, including the microbes, disappear.

 

Now, if you want to target a particular microbe, say you want to palliate while you're working on the deeper causes, you can use that specific microbe in homeopathic form, called a nosode. That is going to target only that microbe, nothing else. Of course then you will have the necessary healing reaction after that, where the system readjusts in so many ways accordingly. But you won't be killing off or inhibiting any beneficial processes. It's pure elegance

 

Oh, about oil pulling, I think it stimulates the detoxification process, and the oils are also nutritive and supporting - I don't see it being very directly antimicrobial.

 

-Karen

[Xienkula1]

GSE (nutribiotic grapefruit seed extract) is an excellent anti-microbial for many types of bacteria including streptacoccus mutans the bacteria implicated in tooth decay as well as a formidable antioxidant, antifungal (important for thrush(candida albicans) which provide ideal growth medium for bacteria). 1-2 drops on toothbrush, just make sure to mix it with an alkaline toothpaste(containing calcium carbonate, or calcium hydroxyapatite or simply mix with baking soda(sodium bicarbonate).

Brush with electric toothbrush 1-2 minutes, softly as it can damage gum tissue if done aggressively.

Be sure to brush your tongue as the mucosa of tongue binds food particles and sugars ideal breeding ground bacterias that form biofilms and hundreds of different species could be thriving. Brushing gums with cayenne pepper is quite spicy, but powerfully increases circulation and localized inflamation, augmenting the circulation of white blood cells to the area which help to kill off intracellular infection. Then make a mouth wash with 3 drops GSE, alkali agent (alkaline toothpaste, clay, calcium hydroxyapatite, novamin powder, or sodium bicarbonate), 4 drops oregano oil or 5 theives, 1 tsp xylitol (bacteriocide for streptacoccus mutans and facilitates the crystalization of tooth enamel). Swish vigourously and hold in mouth for at least 5 minutes or longer if possible and don't eat or drink for 20 minutes ideally. Fat soluable vitamins, Vitamin A, D, E complex, K and are important for gum health along with coQ. Oil pulling can be done with 1tsp clay, colloidal silver, 1/4 tsp 60000 heat unit cayenne pepper 3 drops GSE, and black seed oil to increase antimicrobial action. Regular flossing is important. An excellent product is tooth elixer ascended health.

Edited October 23, 2008 by Xienkula1

[Apech]

Does the type of oil matter for oil pulling? I have a good supply of olive oil - which would be easier and cheaper for me.

[seadog]

Hands down the best thing you can use is mengandungi ganoderma.

It is sold under the trade name Ganozhi.

Its sold as a paste so it is easy to use.

Also good for any inflamatory ailments,

insect bite, rashes,etc.

[Xienkula1]

Does the type of oil matter for oil pulling? I have a good supply of olive oil - which would be easier and cheaper for me.

 

Since the mechanism of oil pulling relies on the physical properties of oil, mainly its viscosity, which thicken saliva and increases the pressure of the vorticulating fluids exerted by muscular gyrations of the mouth that centrifugates, suctions bacterial cells from deep within the crevices in the gum line into the saliva oil solution( saliva contains lysozyme and other defensins which will lyse most bacterial cell walls destroying them, and bacteria do not thrive well in an oil media) any oil would work in theory as long as it is edible. However, olive oil contains some compounds which are antimicrobial such as oleoropein and Hydroxytyrosol, so it will certainly work better than corn oil in that it intensifies the anti-microbial element, though with perhaps less activity than a synergistic consortium of antimicrobial molecules found in black seed oil.

Edited October 23, 2008 by Xienkula1

[karen]

seadog, I'm glad you mentioned Ganozhi, because I've tried to find out whether it contains glycerin - the ingredients say "food gel" which sounds like it might be glycerin, but I haven't gotten an answer to the inquiries I've made. Do you know?

 

apepch7, see the discussion after the article here.

 

 

-Karen

[Xienkula1]

food gel refers to sodium alginate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_alginate

Edited October 23, 2008 by Xienkula1

[Apech]

Thanks all - I will try my olive oil first since I already have it.

 

 

PS. I vaguely remember from my physics days that oil drops take up electric charge, which I presume they will do when emulsified in this way. There is a famous experiment called Millikan's oil drop for calculating the charge/mass ratio of the electron.

[karen]

food gel refers to sodium alginate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_alginate

 

Great, thanks. And a tooth gel might be good for people who can't get used to the idea of putting soap in their mouth.

[voidisyinyang]

No mention of garlic -- it keeps those two-eyed people away (instead of the three-eyed people).

 

http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?sh...=20532&st=0

Edited October 24, 2008 by drew hempel

[gendao]

No mention of garlic -- it keeps those two-eyed people away (instead of the three-eyed people).

 

http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?sh...=20532&st=0

Drew, that's exactly my thinking.

 

Gum disease is an infection by specific germs...and can even spread through your body. Therefore, it needs to be disinfected, and ClO2 is a very powerful oxidant that can also destroy biofilms.

 

Anyhow, you say you started using it back in March...so how has it worked for you by now?

I read at my dentist's office that gum disease is actually a virus but it seems to be considered to be caused from bacteria -- yet the gums also harbor dangerous viruses, once infected with bacteria, etc.

 

http://www.journaltimes.com/articles/2007/...th/21970751.txt

 

I started using Closys -- which is chlorine dioxide -- and a very effective oral hygiene antiseptic.

And is there any type of hyroxyapatite paste or rinse we can use to help rebuild tooth enamel?

[voidisyinyang]

Well if I remember correctly I switched to zinc soon after and maybe went back to the chlorine dixoide -- I think it wasn't strong enough -- or that it seemed to be just a negative destructive experience. And then I got on this garlic kick.

 

Garlic is just so awesome. Hydrogen sulfide is taken by the military -- doubles your endurance and doubles your strength. Garlic kills cancer, malaria, and no resistance develops because it attacks the enzymes.

 

Garlic is the traditional treatment for gum disease in China.

 

Garlic is the most powerful antioxidant in nature.... and it's cheap...

 

When I eat garlic it is VERY effective against bacteria -- and even reverses the flu symptoms!!

 

Anyway so then I recently started eating lots of garbanzo beans since they are the highest source of saponins and saponins are the natural soap for the body -- saponins kill the rotten egg smell. Hence hummos is garbanzo beans aka chickpeas and garlic.

 

Still I also went on this sardine kick -- for the vitamin D (best natural source) and Omega 3 and now I find out it's a very good source for coenzyme q10.

 

I also started eating lots of kale.... all that chlorophyll has the proper magnesium which activates your photoreceptors for third eye bioluminescence.

 

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Coenzyme-Q10.html

 

To be honest any food is basically like poison -- compared to the bigu diet. So the vagus nerve transduces the anerobic bacteria in the stomach, along with the serotonin, during the internal climaxes. My gums literally purge the toxins when I sit in full-lotus and then garlic kills off the bacteria, etc. I call it "full body digestion."

 

That's why Chunyi Lin and qigong masters eat just a little veggie meal once a day - notice soy is very high in coenzyme q10.... so raw tofu is eaten by Wang, Liping for example... and then they fast a lot. Chunyi Lin fasts every monday.

 

Then you get the real ionizing ultrasound treatment for your gums!

 

Yeah I just did a search on ultrasound and gum disease. It's definitely being used and has been effective. But now they are starting to use laser surgery as well -- just like the qigong masters! haha:

 

http://atkryska.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/m...teeth-cleaning/

[voidisyinyang]

Ok this is pretty interesting -- real DENTIST jargon.

 

I searched garlic and gum disease. "Dr. Ian Douglas" did a study in 2002 or so finding that allicin pills were effective against the 700 different bacteria implicated in gum disease but that the concentration was equivalent to THREE BULBS OF GARLIC per dose daily.

 

Hmm I thought I ate a lot of garlic.... I've gone more than a bulb a day -- just because I eat a "normal" (sugar, meat, etc.) diet while practicing qigong.....

 

Anyway so then I found this -- discussing whether gum disease is a virus... but more importantly why fluoride is not effective because the disease works through PORES not CHANNELS of cells.... well I know that garlic also works through PORES so that's good enough for me.

 

Then it's pondered that gum disease is a SPIROCHETE (which includes prions and siphyllis -- sp?).

 

Let's see how garlic goes up against spirochetes....

 

http://adr.iadrjournals.org/cgi/reprint/18/2/27.pdf

[voidisyinyang]

Yep -- the TCM treatment for spirochetes includes garlic and western herbalists consider it very effective for the spirochete lymes disease....

 

Garlic is just too amazing and does kill viruses:

 

http://www.angelfire.com/me/debear/fighter.html

 

OK the only negative thing I could find is that garlic appears to kill probiotics -- but, conversely, garlic is ALSO a good source for the PREBIOTIC F.O.S. which then creates the probiotics....

 

http://www.galambdoktor.hu/index.php?r=14&c=73&l=en

 

This seems to debunk the recent "probiotic" trend:

 

http://www.eatingbritain.com/probiotic-vs-prebiotic.html

Edited October 24, 2008 by drew hempel

[hervoyel]

Ok so what is a natural cure for gum disease. The kind that involves periodontal holes next to the teeth.

 

the dentist said that it was probably from plague, gave some pills to turn plaque purple, some mouthrinse fluoride based, and said to floss more.

 

what natural medicine can heal this.

 

thanks.

 

One of the most effective ways to reduce gum disease is regular use of dental toothpicks. After that come the usage of floss and interdental brushes.