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verdesi turtle video

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mwight   

mwight
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i have to honestly say that i hadn't thought about a strong infrared laser, but you could use that for a similar effect. but like you are probably thinking also, probably not under all circumstances can it be used.

 

I am still betting on a hidden infrared laser, but maybe he is legit. I used to think that master Master Zhou Ting-Jue was legit, but it turns out he uses lye to create a chemical reaction for his "healings".

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gendao   

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I'm guessing someone off-camera is shining a laser on it. That's why the burn starts in such a perfect little circle, and his hand conveniently never blocks a nice line-of-sight from someone sitting in front of him (possibly holding a laser).

 

 

I'm guessing someone off-camera is shining a laser on it. That's why the burn starts in such a perfect little circle, and his hand conveniently never blocks a nice line-of-sight from someone sitting in front of him (possibly holding a laser).

This video is prolly more legit because you have a live person feeling the heat.

 

Anyone have any idea what their method is?

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orb   

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woah ... maybe taomeow can translate that for us?

 

 

This is a rough translation I was typing while watching the video and didn't even finish the whole video - gotta run to work but hopefully it helps....

 

 

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The title of the video is "The Fire Mantra"

 

he is asking to remove the metal from the hands

 

including watches with metal components

 

I will show only the most harmless things

 

He says that there's actually an energy ball that he is transfering from himself to another person and the effect is different then when just using his finger

 

which has a very sharp feeling kinda like

poking with a needle.

 

 

He also says that because before the video

 

he already showed his abilities

to many people he is tired so he needs about 30 min to

 

fully recover and when he melts down the cup

 

he says that he is extremely tired and he needs

to take a 5 min break.

 

He also asks the people in the crowd if anybody

 

has the ability to see the energy.

And somebody says that he could see something

comming in at the level of his head.

 

He doesn't do demostrations to more the 4 people at a time.

 

After melting the cup the second experiment

 

from the distance he is saying that although he is getting

very tired - it's not his own energy

 

("clearly indicating - that some spiritual energy

is involved")

 

 

People estimate that the distance between

 

him and the cups is about 8 meters.

 

He also says that he doesn't care if you bring

him your own cups or things - he could still influence them.

 

Another thing is that he can act in different ways

 

also can control where.

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orb   

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Interesting, orb. Thanks for the translation.

Could you find any info on his background, perhaps from the comments?

 

 

There's the rest of the translation after watching the rest of the video. It's a very casual conversation a lot of words used so I got really bored after a while but here it is. And I am quite sure that he is for real and there's no "laser or infrared" involved.

 

Also I've said this before and I will say it again although I am very prejudice of the russian comunists I cannot deny that russians have a lot of good stuff when it comes to esoteric knowledge and it's quite powerfull, also without the usual extra layer of bs that the chinese/indian methods have, but rather very practical. They have a lot of asian culture within their own country - so they don't even have to go far to find these old methods.

 

The guy in the video doesn't say that he is practicing systema - at least not in this video - but he does say several times that he is and martial art practitioner. He also uses the concept " astral side of karate" - > frankly this is the first time I've heard anybody use these words - but anyway.....

 

I translated the following without trying to put it in a correct gramatical or literary form (first person, third person all combined) so excuse my french ladies and gentlemen......

============================================================

 

.....Quite often he gets tired already and cannot finish the whole experiment.

He also stops the length of the energy wave to the desired distance.

Also the The finger is more intense then the whole opened hand or the fist.

Also when he places the cups behind a door he is just trying to show that he can go through and object and

influence the object on the other side of the door.

The same he could do with an object that is place behind a person.

 

"This is not my power at all."

 

He has a mental image also that he keeps

and as long as he keeps it together with the

sound and the hand positions

 

 

Also this is a self defense technique and is

the lowest level of the energy control.

 

 

His feeling of the human body when in concentration

 

is totally energetic.

 

Also certain foods open certain channels and prepare

the person.

 

 

For 6 months its a very rough diet and practice and

he teaches it. After 6 months usually you could

retake your normal diet.

 

However he explains and insists on the importance of the

vegeterian diet.

 

He also praises and recognises qigong.

 

Also he is talking about certain techniques which

work only on a real attacker. If the person is not

attacking then those techniques cannot be used for anything else.

 

 

 

He says - that it belongs to a method called

golden dragon - but he insists it's not qigong

as it's not thought - action - but rather a

spirit that helps you. He also used a Somehow the spirit is

activated by the mantra. He tried it without the

mantra but the effect is very weak almost

insignificant.

 

It's a family style.

 

There was a master that tought him because

he saved the master's son's life.

The entire initiation lasted only 4 days.

There are very specific instructions that were

explained very thoroughly and intesely

 

You have to understand the mantra - which is very

specific.

 

Also for different people - specific diferences.

 

 

There's also some visualization involved - and

a energy ball is created and goes through

the body.

 

But they are not touching their heart and the

sexual organs as there could be some complications

 

 

Training is everyday - but nothing too intense but

rather to keep practice.

 

Also while rotating his eyes look straight but

don't lay on any object and that movement

opens certains chakra.

 

 

 

He makes a certain number of rotations per day.

 

There are a few steps.

 

 

First level is the belly.

Second belly is the third eye.....

 

First feeling - would be like a ball of air in

your muscles that starts mooving. The size of a

ping-pong ball. As soon as you start feeling

then you are ready to use it.

 

The master can create that ball a lot faster.

 

A beginner has to use the mantra every time he

needs to use the energy.

 

A master can say the mantra once and then the

energy - stays for a lot longer - could be hours.

 

 

Mantra is a specific sound for a specific spirit.

 

The spirit is somewhere around but with the mantra it

enters the body and he can use it.

 

 

He also calls it the "fire spirit".

 

Also one of his buddies - has students and all the students can burn

paper on their own hands without getting burned at all. However he cannot do that

technique - he just doesn't understand it yet.

 

He also has some funny stories - It's just too much translation to do ......... and I gotta go to bed !!!

 

bye bye

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Vajrasattva   

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<<Also he is talking about certain techniques which

work only on a real attacker. If the person is not

attacking then those techniques cannot be used for anything else.>>

 

this is tenaga dalam.

 

 

 

<<He says - that it belongs to a method called

golden dragon - but he insists it's not qigong

as it's not thought - action - but rather a

spirit that helps you. He also used a Somehow the spirit is

activated by the mantra. He tried it without the

mantra but the effect is very weak almost

insignificant.

 

It's a family style. >>

 

this is what we call in ilmu kebatinan "jinn" magik.

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gendao   

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There's the rest of the translation after watching the rest of the video. It's a very casual conversation a lot of words used so I got really bored after a while but here it is. And I am quite sure that he is for real and there's no "laser or infrared" involved.

 

Also I've said this before and I will say it again although I am very prejudice of the russian comunists I cannot deny that russians have a lot of good stuff when it comes to esoteric knowledge and it's quite powerfull, also without the usual extra layer of bs that the chinese/indian methods have, but rather very practical. They have a lot of asian culture within their own country - so they don't even have to go far to find these old methods.

 

The guy in the video doesn't say that he is practicing systema - at least not in this video - but he does say several times that he is and martial art practitioner. He also uses the concept " astral side of karate" - > frankly this is the first time I've heard anybody use these words - but anyway.....

 

I translated the following without trying to put it in a correct gramatical or literary form (first person, third person all combined) so excuse my french ladies and gentlemen......

============================================================

 

.....Quite often he gets tired already and cannot finish the whole experiment.

He also stops the length of the energy wave to the desired distance.

Also the The finger is more intense then the whole opened hand or the fist.

Also when he places the cups behind a door he is just trying to show that he can go through and object and

influence the object on the other side of the door.

The same he could do with an object that is place behind a person.

 

"This is not my power at all."

 

He has a mental image also that he keeps

and as long as he keeps it together with the

sound and the hand positions

Also this is a self defense technique and is

the lowest level of the energy control.

His feeling of the human body when in concentration

 

is totally energetic.

 

Also certain foods open certain channels and prepare

the person.

For 6 months its a very rough diet and practice and

he teaches it. After 6 months usually you could

retake your normal diet.

 

However he explains and insists on the importance of the

vegeterian diet.

 

He also praises and recognises qigong.

 

Also he is talking about certain techniques which

work only on a real attacker. If the person is not

attacking then those techniques cannot be used for anything else.

He says - that it belongs to a method called

golden dragon - but he insists it's not qigong

as it's not thought - action - but rather a

spirit that helps you. He also used a Somehow the spirit is

activated by the mantra. He tried it without the

mantra but the effect is very weak almost

insignificant.

 

It's a family style.

 

There was a master that tought him because

he saved the master's son's life.

The entire initiation lasted only 4 days.

There are very specific instructions that were

explained very thoroughly and intesely

 

You have to understand the mantra - which is very

specific.

 

Also for different people - specific diferences.

There's also some visualization involved - and

a energy ball is created and goes through

the body.

 

But they are not touching their heart and the

sexual organs as there could be some complications

Training is everyday - but nothing too intense but

rather to keep practice.

 

Also while rotating his eyes look straight but

don't lay on any object and that movement

opens certains chakra.

He makes a certain number of rotations per day.

 

There are a few steps.

First level is the belly.

Second belly is the third eye.....

 

First feeling - would be like a ball of air in

your muscles that starts mooving. The size of a

ping-pong ball. As soon as you start feeling

then you are ready to use it.

 

The master can create that ball a lot faster.

 

A beginner has to use the mantra every time he

needs to use the energy.

 

A master can say the mantra once and then the

energy - stays for a lot longer - could be hours.

Mantra is a specific sound for a specific spirit.

 

The spirit is somewhere around but with the mantra it

enters the body and he can use it.

He also calls it the "fire spirit".

 

Also one of his buddies - has students and all the students can burn

paper on their own hands without getting burned at all. However he cannot do that

technique - he just doesn't understand it yet.

 

He also has some funny stories - It's just too much translation to do ......... and I gotta go to bed !!!

 

bye bye

==============================================================

Great translation, orb! Thanks!
<<He says - that it belongs to a method called

golden dragon - but he insists it's not qigong

as it's not thought - action - but rather a

spirit that helps you. He also used a Somehow the spirit is

activated by the mantra. He tried it without the

mantra but the effect is very weak almost

insignificant.

 

It's a family style. >>

 

this is what we call in ilmu kebatinan "jinn" magik.

Hmm, "gold dragon"...wonder if there's any remote relation to Kunlun here?

 

So, is "jinn" magik safe...or is that something you really want to avoid?

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orb   

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<<Also he is talking about certain techniques which

work only on a real attacker. If the person is not

attacking then those techniques cannot be used for anything else.>>

 

this is tenaga dalam.

<<He says - that it belongs to a method called

golden dragon - but he insists it's not qigong

as it's not thought - action - but rather a

spirit that helps you. He also used a Somehow the spirit is

activated by the mantra. He tried it without the

mantra but the effect is very weak almost

insignificant.

 

It's a family style. >>

 

this is what we call in ilmu kebatinan "jinn" magik.

 

You know santi, I was actually thinking while I was watching that your method is the closest to what he is describing. Also he referes a lot to the concept of "element" like in bagua - and he says that this is the control over the fire element.

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Spirit Ape   

Spirit Ape
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Isnt level 1 Mo Pai storing Yang Qi as well Yin will be connected later?

 

Plus there must be more then one way to do things, Mo Pai is just one way correct/

 

Ape

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genmaicha   

genmaicha
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Thanks again, orb, for the further translation. Very helpful.

 

Houtian, can you explain a bit about kebathinan and kejawen meditation that you mentioned.

Also, do you care to explain your affiliation with John Chang?

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Scadder21   

Scadder21
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Does anyone have any videos they can put on here of Verdesi that arent overdubbed? I'm trying to listen to the first one but its difficult with the other language and im not catching everything? Anyway for someone with an audio program to erase that part of it?

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Aetherous   

Aetherous
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Can't help you out...but I found that listening to it while trying it out and then sometimes rewinding parts kind of puts it all together. At least for myself, after a while I tend to stop listening to the Russian and only hear his English.

 

This practice really rocks.

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Scadder21   

Scadder21
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Can you describe it, i can listen past the other language but theres some parts when they overlap so that Overdub and the English is going at the same time and at that point no clue.

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Seth Ananda   

Seth Ananda
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I havent watched he Russian Guy yet as am not at home and am on dial up but I heard some one say he did Astral Karate. Astral Karate comes from I think the group is called Golden Altai. The teacher is Altai something or something Altai. I cant remember, but I did a workshop with them years ago.

He is Russian, claims to be an Avatar, and teaches something that is a cross between western esotericism, tantra, Gurdjieff, shamanism, new age stuff, yoga and chigung. A bit of everything really.

Ill try and dig up more when home. He does all kinds of stunts and so do his students. Like pyrokinesis...

It was exciting seeing video's of him and at the same time really strange as he really did just take anything from anywhere And some how turned it into a Russian/New age/Old age fusion workshop. But the stuff worked.

The Astral Karate is definitely not systema

 

Seth.

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orb   

orb
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Golden Altai with Astral Karate and astral Aikido.

 

http://www.goldenaltaiacademy.org/

 

they seem to have rolled back emphasis on the teacher. Last time I looked them up, everything was about him.

Enjoy. Seth.

 

 

Hey Seth - r u also Seth on http://ariom.ru/ - forum by any chance ?

Edited by orb

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