Chinese Taoist Medicine & Stillness-Movement Medical Qigong

[Brian]

Don't have a "video testimony" but I texted my sister-in-law this AM to ask if her back still seemed somewhat better and her reply was:

 

"Hey! This is <her name>. Yes! Great improvement with my back. That's crazy how much better I felt/feel!"

 

[Ya Mu]

Sweet!

 

I think pythagoreanfullotus does have a point though, if you could even get a couple of video testimonials it makes for a nice way to get this stuff out to a bigger audience. Bigger chance for people to come across it on youtube and the like.

Not really. Look at the video I do have posted of qi projection.

Most people who see it don't believe it. It disturbs others (probably quite a few people) . I COULD post more just like it but I am not sure if it really would help more people believe and most probably it wouldn't.

 

Let's face it, very few people have any idea whatsoever about energy projection healing methods - even most who post on this forum are more familiar with QI circulation methods and very few are familiar with and/or have the capacity to be able to do wai qi liao fa and/or have clinical experience with medical qigong and/or studied Chinese hospital based medical qigong.

 

A video testimony has several problems.

 

One, most people like to preserve their privacy. Very few are willing to be public.

 

Two, it doesn't prove anything. A person could get their friend to say all sorts of stuff on video.

 

And three, people can gush on and on but say nothing whereas these case studies are mostly from our client files and we who are used to doing clinic work can express the situation accurately in a very few words. And, the way I write them no one has any idea who the client is so privacy is preserved.

 

And four, the majority would have something negative to say and find problems real or imaginary with the treatment sessions and/or outcome. I can hear it now, "Placebo" "Yep, its got to be placebo effect." But one thing is for sure - it isn't. Ask the goat.

 

I was filmed live on television doing medical qigong about 20 years ago. The client was a medical student who had been run through the mill of the hospital and most of the regional specialists without any help; severe crippling abdominal pain. When the qi projection was performed she moved around and the camera picked up waves moving in her abdomen. At the end of the session she got up and said she was totally pain free. Did it make anyone want to learn this? No.

 

Since Drew likes this format perhaps he would like to post in his threads on receiving qigong healing videos of himself receiving treatment for his illness?

[Ya Mu]

ASeeker, Very good!

Isn't it just great to hear "Yes! Great improvement with my back. That's crazy how much better I felt/feel!"

This is what it is all about!

[gramp]

It was fascinating to attend the Medical/Clinical workshops by Michael. Anyone—who has experienced some non-ordinary sight/feeling—that hasn't visited one of Michael's workshops is missing a treasure. To me, the Qi or aura was the most visible I have ever seen. Even Michael's senior medical/clinical qigong certification program students are capable: startled me when we were gathered around watching a demo by one of Michael’s students, and a purplish-"Northern Lights-or-Aurora Borealis"-type of field flowed around the demo-patient—from the feet being massaged and up toward the head, and then vanishing! (Maybe the Qi field was still there but I lost sight of it because I was startled.) And, during the workshop, if you're on the receiving end of these projections, it feels safe and refreshing—Michael having been trained and practiced as a healer, after all.

Edited September 4, 2013 by gramp

[Ya Mu]

"Anyone—who has experienced some non-ordinary sight/feeling—that hasn't visited one of Michael's workshops is missing a treasure."

Yes, Stillness-Movement practice awakens one's sacred gifts and develops them to full potential.

 

..." Even Michael's senior medical/clinical qigong certification program students are capable: startled me when we were gathered around watching a demo by one of Michael’s students, and a purplish-"Northern Lights-or-Aurora Borealis"-type of field flowed around the demo-patient..."

Yes, it is all about what YOU can do. All students of this system who apply themselves can reach this level of ability.

 

Gramp: Your seeing ability will only get better with the longevity of your practice - good job! Hope I will see you at the 2nd annual Hilton Head Island Neigong Retreat beginning November 9th.

[tendou]

When exhaling using the mouth 3 times in doing SM, do we exhale through the mouth while still keeping the toungue on upper palate? And when doing move 9 of GOT 1, we exhale through the mouth, do we still keep the toungue on upper plate or momentarily seperate from the upper plate?

[Brian]

I keep the tip of my tongue on the roof of my mouth the whole time and simply exhale around it. If you press hard, the tongue tends to block airway so don't do that.

 

 

Actually, I now have developed the habit of keeping my tongue there most of the time, except when eating, drinking or talking. Or sleeping, I guess...

[Brian]

Don't have a "video testimony" but I texted my sister-in-law this AM to ask if her back still seemed somewhat better and her reply was:

 

"Hey! This is <her name>. Yes! Great improvement with my back. That's crazy how much better I felt/feel!"

 

 

An update -- texted her again to ask how her back is feeling, nearly a week having passed since her three-minute session. Her reply was:

 

"My back is great! No problems since last weekend!"

 

EDIT: Posted this update not because it is a major healing event (although it does speak to both the effectiveness of the system and the rapidity with which a practitioner can start to show results) but because qigong healers so often never again see or hear from those they try to help. In this case, it is someone who would be glad to tell me if it didn't help, and whom I can easily ask for feedback.

Edited September 9, 2013 by A Seeker

[tendou]

I keep the tip of my tongue on the roof of my mouth the whole time and simply exhale around it. If you press hard, the tongue tends to block airway so don't do that.

 

 

Actually, I now have developed the habit of keeping my tongue there most of the time, except when eating, drinking or talking. Or sleeping, I guess...

thanks. same as what I'm doing. I keep my toungue there most of the time too.

[voidisyinyang]

Since Drew likes this format perhaps he would like to post in his threads on receiving qigong healing videos of himself receiving treatment for his illness?

 

Michael thanks for the detailed response.

 

I am watching the video you posted right now - thanks!

 

yeah I've never experienced movements like that from a qigong healing but Chunyi Lin said he was practicing free form qigong and he flew back with his head slamming into his bike pedal - clearing out a blockage. haha.

 

Actually there is a Russian doc or East European full of people doing these types of movements also....and for Max's infamous qigong... similar movements.

 

anyway the reason I never did a video testimonial for Spring Forest Qigong is because when I started the practice I didn't do it to heal myself but instead to investigate the truth of internal alchemy and spiritual energy, etc.

 

But I have posted my experiences extensively online of course.... and then did the podcast interviews with qigong master JIm Nance.

 

I mentioned already that today I got a phone healing from Jim Nance and it was awesome - my symptoms completely vanished.

 

So they way you described the healing in the podcast you did remind me very much of what Jim Nance says also when he does healings.

 

Actually Jim told me there are video testimonials from people he has healed - one from a UFC fighter and another one from a man healed of a club foot. There's probably more! Anyway for some reason these vids have not been posted online yet - it's a bit frustrating.

 

But Jim agrees with what you said - the videos don't usually change people's belief system - they need to feel the energy instead....umm...But I think third party videos are a good step. Of course like you said - Jim says a lot of people are in shock after they get healed - they can't believe they've been healed! And anyway he said how one lady couldn't walk for six years and then left walking but her mind was so much in disbelief that the blockage came back.

 

So yeah I totally understand that people would not want to give a video testimonial right after they been healed. Jim says it would be better to interview people like a year after they've been healed....

[Ya Mu]

Michael thanks for the detailed response.

 

I am watching the video you posted right now - thanks!

 

yeah I've never experienced movements like that from a qigong healing but Chunyi Lin said he was practicing free form qigong and he flew back with his head slamming into his bike pedal - clearing out a blockage. haha.

 

Actually there is a Russian doc or East European full of people doing these types of movements also....and for Max's infamous qigong... similar movements.

 

anyway the reason I never did a video testimonial for Spring Forest Qigong is because when I started the practice I didn't do it to heal myself but instead to investigate the truth of internal alchemy and spiritual energy, etc.

 

But I have posted my experiences extensively online of course.... and then did the podcast interviews with qigong master JIm Nance.

 

I mentioned already that today I got a phone healing from Jim Nance and it was awesome - my symptoms completely vanished.

 

So they way you described the healing in the podcast you did remind me very much of what Jim Nance says also when he does healings.

 

Actually Jim told me there are video testimonials from people he has healed - one from a UFC fighter and another one from a man healed of a club foot. There's probably more! Anyway for some reason these vids have not been posted online yet - it's a bit frustrating.

 

But Jim agrees with what you said - the videos don't usually change people's belief system - they need to feel the energy instead....umm...But I think third party videos are a good step. Of course like you said - Jim says a lot of people are in shock after they get healed - they can't believe they've been healed! And anyway he said how one lady couldn't walk for six years and then left walking but her mind was so much in disbelief that the blockage came back.

 

So yeah I totally understand that people would not want to give a video testimonial right after they been healed. Jim says it would be better to interview people like a year after they've been healed....

I was at the NQA conference several years ago when Chunyi Lin was there. I have nothing but respect for fellow qigong professionals who have reached high level accomplishments - I know it takes quite a bit of time & effort to get there. I have never had the pleasure of meeting Jim. It does sound like the systems have quite a bit in common.

 

 

When exhaling using the mouth 3 times in doing SM, do we exhale through the mouth while still keeping the toungue on upper palate? And when doing move 9 of GOT 1, we exhale through the mouth, do we still keep the toungue on upper plate or momentarily seperate from the upper plate?

 

 

 

Yes, the tongue stays glued. Tip of tongue right behind teeth. As you practice move it around (small movement) a bit and you will energetically find the optimal spot.

 

 

An update -- texted her again to ask how her back is feeling, nearly a week having passed since her three-minute session. Her reply was:

 

"My back is great! No problems since last weekend!"

 

 

 

And with just a few minutes therapy!

Amazing! You are doing very well in your progress in Stillness-Movement.

 

edit: I added this that I posted elsewhere:

 

One beauty of the Jing Dong Gong Qigong is that it doesn't matter what is one's belief system. Atheists, Buddhists, Christians all the way to Zoroastrian ALL receive the same benefit from the practice!

Edited September 9, 2013 by Ya Mu

[Brian]

An update -- texted her again to ask how her back is feeling, nearly a week having passed since her three-minute session. Her reply was:

 

"My back is great! No problems since last weekend!"

 

EDIT: Posted this update not because it is a major healing event (although it does speak to both the effectiveness of the system and the rapidity with which a practitioner can start to show results) but because qigong healers so often never again see or hear from those they try to help. In this case, it is someone who would be glad to tell me if it didn't help, and whom I can easily ask for feedback.

 

One more update on this same case -- only because energetic healers often get no follow-up interaction with those they have helped.

 

My brother texted me last night, asking me to tell him more about whatever-it-was I did to help his wife. I texted back, asking if she was still felling better and asking him to shoot me a quick e-mail so I could reply with some detail to the address of his choosing.

 

Here's the e-mail I received from him:

 

"Hey Brian,

Just talked to <my_S-I-L's_name> and she says she feels great which is kind of a miracle because leading up to that day I spent over $500 dollars on Chiro and Massages from the Chiro's office and ice packs everyday on and off all day long for the past month. The $500 was because I had to pay cash for the $100 dollar visits because of my 5k ins. deductible.

So I thank you and so does <my_S-i-L's_name> so wtf was that s@#*.

 

Love <my_brother's_name>"

 

I redacted their names...

[z00se]

Hi,

 

There sure seemed to be alot of positive talk about Michael's book so i bought it and borrowed my mum's kindle and read most of it. I was a bit dissapointed because it sounded very hippyish and i am surprised that so many people took to it, although it is great that it sounds people are benefitting from it. I have a few questions or things i would like to discuss... for michael or his experienced students...

 

When you say practice 1 or 3 hours a day, and then it goes to 24/7 do you mean once you are aware of it throughout the day you should still be doing seated practice for 1-3 hours a day? Or once you can remain aware you don't need to do the seated one any more?

 

I have done lots of Healing Tao for a long time and had huge energy, high pressured heat, stretching skin, purposely controlled electric shocks through meridians, and very fast digestion and need to go to the toilet etc, but to me it involves too much directing and not enough listening. Nomatter how much yin i try to draw in via energy and diet over time it becomes a struggle to get to sleep and yin in the body dries up.

 

I find being aware and in the now, moment or wuwei, and especially being aware of the physical allows the energy to balance it's self naturally. Even doing as suggested in the book just concentrating on the dantien (even for 15 mins) is very stimulating for me, it heats up the yin and releases lots of energy. If i did 3 hours a day, within 3-4 days my body would be very accellerated with a hot swelling thumping in the dantien.

 

The thing is that energy is being directed down to the dantien, all down into one dantien or 3 minds into one as they say in healing tao, but there are 3 dantiens. I have felt that by having the energy naturally settle in all 3 dantiens the energy is more settled and calm. Why do you bring all the energy to the lowest dantien?

 

I guess the hippiness of listening to birds and ghosts or spirits etc is all developing of the listening which healing tao doesn't have. But i guess being in the moment and watching with awareness is a kind of receptiveness that is similar.

 

It says in the book that this is 'high level' healing yet to me 'high level' doesn't mean it is any better than 'low level'. Infact i always felt that high level stuff was just the icing on the cake for lower level stuff, to aim for only high level things was like trying to win a fight when you only learnt to chi knockout but didn't learn to punch. I guess though that since spirit and matter are so closely linked and all matter is energy then a change in energy makes a change in matter, just like a change in the physical changes the spiritual. To me high level means working from the spirit and in my experience when i work from the spirit i can't understand or know how or why things happen but they just do. I have limited experience with this because i like to relate what is happening in a more scientific way, where i can draw a more direct line between cause and effect which i can't do with spiritual energy. Is this true for what you guys are doing or do you know what is happening in the healing process? Are you directing or just channeling?

 

Do you try to pump in spiritual energy using breath or any other method, trying to increase the spiritual energy within yourself or transfered to another hoping for bigger and better results or do you just let it all do it's self?

 

Healing tao goes deeply into different types of energy but it appears in Michaels method it is just concentrating on the dantien, not worrying about the source of the chi going there. How do you know it is high level spiritual energy if you don't know where it came from? If you haven't aquainted yourself with different qualities of chi?

 

One thing i have concentrated on more and found to have good and semi permanant results (if the spirit doesn't insist on trying to go back as it was) is using chi, not spiritual energy to balance zang-fu organs by increasing circulation around particular organs that fits TCM theory. What i do seems to bring the body more into balance and then the spirit find's it more difficult to continue on with a bad use of the body, however of course it still can - undoing my work. Today i tried to go straight for the spirit but i felt kinda spacey, and without direction. For some reason i never felt very comfortable with working with spiritual energy inside myself. I can channel it to others no problem but i don't feel relaxed when it is within me for some reason, maybe because i haven't played with it enough i don't know.

 

It sounds like some very impressive healings have gone on using this method but as is usual i guess you mainly hear about the success stories. What percentage of people would you say you have gotten say 80%+ improvement with?

 

Glad to hear people are having fun with it all. Thanks for any answers in advance.

 

Louis!

[mjjbecker]

1. You and your 'practice' are not separate. Or to put it another way, you stop 'trying' and become 'being'.

 

2. I understand you comparing with what you've done before, but this isn't 'Healing Tao'. Which leads me onto...

 

3. There are more than 3 dantien, and different schools have different opinions as to what is the 'lower' dantien.

 

4. The energy goes where it should. Think about that.

 

5. I've been there when John Chang summoned spirits and had a high level 'immortal' spirit watch me while I did neigong. Non of those experiences struck me as being in the slightest bit 'hippy'.

 

6. Where and what inspired 'hippy' thinking?

 

7. Michael has explained high level healing before. He covers it again in his recent audio interview.

 

8. 'Listening' is also covered in the recent interview, and I think also in past threads. Probably in the book as well. Its a book worth reading more than once.

 

9. Breathing and such-like have been covered in other posts and threads.

 

10. Who said we don't know where the energy comes from?

 

11. See Michael's previous comments in regards to different levels.

 

12. 'Healing'? On what level of being? Again, I know this has been covered before, and I believe it is discussed in the recent audio interview.

 

In summary, I wouldn't compare what Michael does with what 'Healing Tao' does. Not to say one is better than the other, but that they are different methods with different approaches. I find that understanding really only comes from experience, and descriptions can never really come close.

 

There is lots of information in previous posts and threads that I think will answer your questions. Its been a very long day and its time for me to get some sleep.

[Brian]

Thank you for taking the time, Louis, to compose this post!

 

Let me start off with a disclaimer – I am NOT an expert on the system and, while I am a student, I certainly don’t consider myself to be a senior student. As such, anything I say or suggest with regards to the system itself is subject to correction by Michael or any of his other students. EDIT: And I'd pay attention to anything mjjbecker says, for that matter!

 

I’d like to speak first to the “science” aspect. I am not inviting a discussion about “science” or about any details regarding the scientific underpinnings of stillness-movement neigong, I’m just sharing a few of my own thoughts (we’ve got a few regulars who inspire me to make that statement…) In fact, I would say that spending too much time trying to analyze the system is exactly counter-productive! That's quite an admission from a man who spent his first 40 years analyzing things.

 

Michael is an electrical engineer who specialized in electromagnetics. I am a physicist with a concentration in electronic engineering. I know of several others in the system who also have some sort of scientific background/training. I find the system to be totally consistent with “science” and I’ll try to explain.

 

While the vast majority of the universe appears to be composed of “dark matter” and “dark energy” (which would be extremely disconcerting to those who believe science has the answers except for the fact that they have turned “science” into “Science” – but that’s a completely different thread!), the observed universe is largely explained or modeled by a handful of “forces” which have been shown to be derived from a single “whatever-it-was” force from the time of the Big Bang (well, gravity is still problematic and Einstein spent most of his later years working unsuccessfully on a Grand Unifying Theory, work that continues today). It is my belief that this single “whatever-it-was” is really an “is” rather than a “was” and that it is synonymous with what we refer to as “Light” on TTB, and that most of the world’s cosmogonies inadequately describe what is also inadequately described in science by the Big Bang.

 

Without getting into the weeds, though, our interactions with the universe and the operational mechanics of virtually anything you can point to is entirely or largely a matter of electromagnetics (and gravity...) Be it a rainbow or a firecracker, a radio or an internal combustion engine, what scientists currently refer to as electromagnetics is key.

 

More to point, our bodies are chemically-driven electromagnetic machines. Not only is the structure electromagnetic but the operation itself. All of the interactions and signaling and chemical conversions and biological processes – all of it – is electromagnetic in nature. It is easy to see that all the electrolytes and minerals and the subsystems using them (from the inner ear to the central nervous system to the brain to energy cycles that power things) are “electrical” because of the reliance on charges but remember that any moving charge generates a magnetic field as well as the electric field of a stationary charge (if there were such a thing as a stationary charge). These untold numbers of electromagnetic fields overlap and interact with other charges – and are NOT confined to the boundaries of the physical body itself.

 

An ordinary magnet is simply a piece of iron in which a small fraction of the atoms within the crystalline structure are aligned in such a way that their electrical polarization points in the same direction. Spin then generates tiny magnetic fields which, because the electrical fields are aligned, are also aligned. A tiny fraction of the atoms is all it takes for that piece of iron to display the amazing properties that fascinate us as children but that we generally learn to take for granted. We are talking about something very similar with stillness-movement…

 

By drawing “energy” into dan tien (the lower dan tien, for those who want to get hung up on details) and then letting it gently overflow to permeate the physical body, we are “strengthening” and “aligning” the corresponding energy-body. Like with the iron bar, it only takes a little bit of alignment to start seeing results. As one continues to practice, though, and slowly learns to keep the intellect from interfering, and learns to take responsibility for this being-unforgotten “ability,” the effect continues to develop.

 

Since my energy-body isn’t confined within my physical body and your energy-body isn’t confined within your physical body, our electromagnetic fields naturally interact with each other – even at a distance. In general, these interactions are random in nature and so tend to cancel each other out. An iron magnet will affect a paper-clip, however, in much the same way that a qigong healer’s energy-body can affect the energy-body of the person being healed. Exposing a piece of iron to a strong magnetic field can align some of its atoms and turn it into a magnet in its own right (especially if certain preparatory/facilitating steps are taken) and the same is true with the qigong healer who not only has an immediate and temporary effect but also has a lasting and residual impact.

 

Central to this whole thing is not only strengthening the energy-body by gathering energy through daily qigong practice and aligning the energy-body by being a good & moral person (and remaining calm ), but also learning to control the interactions between energy-bodies. This is where concepts like “listening” and “awareness” and “being in the moment” and “setting one’s intent” all come into play. It is by stopping the brain from “being the boss” and by becoming part of that “flow” that astounding things start to happen.

 

It is important to note that nothing in the stillness-movement system is forced. Yes, there are certain movements and actions and such but even these are not overly rigorous in structure or form. Instead, the focus is on practicing and letting things happen as they will. This is why you don’t hear Michael’s students talk much about MCO or the third eye or specific breathing techniques or what have you. These sorts of things largely are natural results of one’s development rather than tools to be used in one’s development – effects rather than causes.

 

As to success rates, I don’t have enough personal experience yet to be a good case study but I have virtually a 100% success rate so far with one exception – a family member so attached to her various ailments that my efforts to date have had only temporary impact. Even with her, the short-term results are significant & impressive but the problems quickly return. It is worth pointing out, though, that her physicians and specialists chide her for obsessing on symptoms while refusing to take personal action to address underlying causes. Some people are like that…

 

I’ll also point out that I know of one stillness-movement practitioner who ran a clinic for many years with a “pay me after it works” policy – which turns the money-back guarantee on its head! The fact that the clinic lasted more than a few months speaks volumes, I think (unlike several Reiki masters I have personally known over the years, for example).

The proof is in the pudding, though – as the saying goes. Reading the book is like reading about sex, a valuable introduction but... Come to Hilton Head in November and try it for yourself! Heck, I'll buy you a beer so it isn't a total loss even if the system doesn't resonate with you.

 

Hope this helps!

Brian

Edited September 12, 2013 by A Seeker

[Green Tiger]

5. I've been there when John Chang summoned spirits and had a high level 'immortal' spirit watch me while I did neigong. Non of those experiences struck me as being in the slightest bit 'hippy'.

 

7. Michael has explained high level healing before. He covers it again in his recent audio interview.

 

8. 'Listening' is also covered in the recent interview, and I think also in past threads. Probably in the book as well. Its a book worth reading more than once.

 

12. 'Healing'? On what level of being? Again, I know this has been covered before, and I believe it is discussed in the recent audio interview.

 

I know this is slightly off topic, but . . . How did you know a high level 'immortal' spirit was watching you? Have you written about this experience elsewhere?

 

Also, where can we find Michael's recent audio interview?

[Brian]

http://thetaobums.com/topic/31589-michael-lomax-interview-tonight

[JohnC]

I guess the hippiness of listening to birds and ghosts or spirits etc is all developing of the listening which healing tao doesn't have. But i guess being in the moment and watching with awareness is a kind of receptiveness that is similar.

 

That hippiness is what taoism is dude. Taoists are basically shamen, waving sticks and burning incense. It's just portrayed differnetly in china vs here.

 

As you reach higher energy levels it'll make more sense, regardless of whether you have the judgement of it being hippy or not, because you will experience it very directly.

 

This system is different than others in that you don't have to worry about the engineering that has (in my opinion) encumbered other systems.

 

John

[Brian]

Thanks, John! My post above may have made it seem that "the engineering" was important and that's exactly NOT the case. I just wanted to point out as an aside (albeit a long-winded aside) that the system is perfectly consistent with "the engineering" so no belief in secret mystical woo-woo stuff is needed, either.

 

Those who do the energy-work quickly realize the system simply works and attempting to either intellectualize or mystify is simply a distraction.

 

(Obviously, I tend towards the intellectualizing form of distraction but I'm in recovery...)

 

 

EDIT: Remember, too, that "electromagnetics" is just one currently "understood" manifestation of an aspect of "the light" so don't get too hung up on that particular term, OK?

Edited September 12, 2013 by A Seeker

[z00se]

Hmmm the purpose of me asking is not to start any argument about who is right because on this forum these types of things go on forever, so after i mention my opinion on something once if it comes up again i won't repeat myself yet that doesn't mean i necessarily agree, just that i agree to disagree

 

 

 

1. You and your 'practice' are not separate. Or to put it another way, you stop 'trying' and become 'being'.

 

2. I understand you comparing with what you've done before, but this isn't 'Healing Tao'. Which leads me onto...

 

3. There are more than 3 dantien, and different schools have different opinions as to what is the 'lower' dantien.

 

4. The energy goes where it should. Think about that.

 

I think that all these things are the same with any practice, apart for the dantien thing *shrug*. I think all the practices are really using the same powers and having similar experiences they just go about it a different way. Healing tao does more clearing of the way to make it easier to go where it should go (through all the channels you clear out), or that i guess is the theory but it doesn't always work that way. I think just concentrating on the dantien is still doing this to some lesser extent, you are still directing the energy.

 

 

5. I've been there when John Chang summoned spirits and had a high level 'immortal' spirit watch me while I did neigong. Non of those experiences struck me as being in the slightest bit 'hippy'.

 

Is this John Chang the almighty on youtube? Seems strange the guy that went there for healing in the movie tring to get his eye fixed but he ended up dying a short time later (well that what it says in the movie). Doesn't sound like the magestic healer that people seem to think he is to me Has some cool tricks though it appears. How did you know this spirit was a high level immortal? Did he tell you? As far as i know there is noway to be sure if another has realised he is immortal or not. Of course infact we all use the same immortal life energy it's just if we realise it or not.

 

 

7. Michael has explained high level healing before. He covers it again in his recent audio interview.

 

 

Yeah i apologise i haven't gone through every post it is almost a book in it's self, i have read the book though and quiet a few posts and had specific questions so just asked away and thought i'd see what responses i got.

 

 

10. Who said we don't know where the energy comes from?

 

Not me, i was just asking, and how you know.

 

 

I find that understanding really only comes from experience, and descriptions can never really come close.

 

Yes i agree, but i've practiced daily for around 9 years and it seems every method has it's end at the same point and so i wanted to get some grasp of how other's experience of their path using this technique was different. Discussion is good though, it gets both sides of the brain working and deepens understanding.

 

 

It is by stopping the brain from “being the boss” and by becoming part of that “flow” that astounding things start to happen.

 

 

Yeah this is spiritual healing. In my limited experience using the spirit to heal i found that the body needs to catch up. It is instant and starts immediate healing yet the body lags behind. Thats why i feel surprised to hear skin healing "before peoples eyes". If it is the spirit do you really need to channel it? wouldn't you're body be a bottleneck to the energy? Wouldn't it be better to ask the spirit to do it on it's own, uninvolving yourself and giving up responsibility for the healing so that the patient can gain the full power of the spirit?

 

Thanks for your long reply brian and offer for a beer, i'm never one to turn one down, but i am in Australia too far away

 

 

Whoops aparently i ran out of the number of quotes i could put in, now they are in " 's

 

"That hippiness is what taoism is dude. Taoists are basically shamen, waving sticks and burning incense. It's just portrayed differnetly in china vs here"

 

 

I don't agree, i lived in china for a few years and i never saw shamen waving sticks around. Rather TCM doctors with huge lines out the door, and qigong and tai chi experts that people weren't interested in learning from. Have you spent time in china or are you just saying what you imagine to be true?

 

As you reach higher energy levels it'll make more sense, regardless of whether you have the judgement of it being hippy or not, because you will experience it very directly.

 

I don't mean to say the energy is hippy, that is very real because you can do things with it. I'm talking about the talking birds and trees etc. I mean i feel i can have a convo with a tree and feel it's energy but how can i know this is true? How can i know it's not my imagination. I feel these things need to be tested in some way, otherwise it could just all be inside your head. A way of gaining intuition but there may be many ways, and they all link together. It may not be the tree or bird at all, it's just that that is what you are concentrating on at the time when it just comes to you and so you attribute it to that.

 

"This system is different than others in that you don't have to worry about the engineering that has (in my opinion) encumbered other systems"

 

Could be true, but i have found that the general rule is that form, and formless together are the best. This be in martial arts, sports or anything, unless we have no goal. Here we have a goal, to heal.

 

"Those who do the energy-work quickly realize the system simply works and attempting to either intellectualize or mystify is simply a distraction."

 

 

Yes very true as is with all systems i believe, but don't you want to know? To intellectualize is to more stabily bring about a stronger belief, and a stronger belief means a stronger result. Both form and no form together. Don't need to have everything controlled but some control and understanding is good.

 

Anyone know if the recommendation with 24/7 awareness is still to do seated meditation too?

[mjjbecker]

The intellect has little to do on the road to discovery. There comes a leap in consciousness, call it Intuition or what you will, the solution comes to you and you don't know how or why.

 

Albert Einstein

 

2. I understand you comparing with what you've done before, but this isn't 'Healing Tao'. Which leads me onto...

 

3. There are more than 3 dantien, and different schools have different opinions as to what is the 'lower' dantien.

...I wouldn't compare what Michael does with what 'Healing Tao' does. Not to say one is better than the other, but that they are different methods with different approaches...

 

...I find that understanding really only comes from experience, and descriptions can never really come close.

[mjjbecker]

Is this John Chang the almighty on youtube? Seems strange the guy that went there for healing in the movie tring to get his eye fixed but he ended up dying a short time later (well that what it says in the movie).

 

Doesn't sound like the magestic healer that people seem to think he is to me Has some cool tricks though it appears.

 

Two brothers made the documentary. One of them died in an accident on Bali (having fell down an uncovered manhole at night) and the other one had treatment for an eye infection. The one who had the eye infection was in fact advised by John Chang to go to a hospital and get the eye treated with antibiotics, as this would resolve the condition (given he was unable to have multiple treatments from John Chang at that time). Unfortunately said brother did not follow that advice and lost the eye. Hence the eye patch now.

 

As far as i know there is noway to be sure if another has realised he is immortal or not. Of course infact we all use the same immortal life energy it's just if we realise it or not.

 

As you say, as far as you know. Stop thinking about 'energy' and start thinking about the frequency of that energy.

 

 

Yeah i apologise i haven't gone through every post it is almost a book in it's self, i have read the book though and quiet a few posts and had specific questions so just asked away and thought i'd see what responses i got....

 

If this is an intellectual exercise then reading through, and spending time thinking about, all the available information, would be a requirement?

 

Yes i agree, but i've practiced daily for around 9 years and it seems every method has it's end at the same point

 

I would disagree. Not every method has the same level of 'wisdom' or can reach the same levels of attainment.

 

and so i wanted to get some grasp of how other's experience of their path using this technique was different. Discussion is good though, it gets both sides of the brain working and deepens understanding.

 

No, experience deepens understanding. Discussion without that direct experience, and the insight that brings, reenforces preconceived notions.

 

"That hippiness is what taoism is dude. Taoists are basically shamen, waving sticks and burning incense. It's just portrayed differnetly in china vs here"

 

 

I don't agree, i lived in china for a few years and i never saw shamen waving sticks around. Rather TCM doctors with huge lines out the door, and qigong and tai chi experts that people weren't interested in learning from. Have you spent time in china or are you just saying what you imagine to be true?

 

I've lived in China for 'a few years' and am still living here. I've seen Daoists 'waving sticks and burning incense'-at the White Cloud temple in Beijing. Quite a big ceremony at the time in fact, which someone had apparently paid good money for. They also have a medical clinic at the temple, as well as a fu service, where interested people can obtain different fu depending on their needs. There is a story about fu from the White Cloud temple in one of Kostas' books, and they seemed to do the job.

 

Qigong and such like is so ignored that one of the top doctors (trained in Western and Chinese medicine) in China is also a noted qigong master. I refer to Wan Sujian, a retired army general, who's hospital was built by the PRC army on its own land. Said master and hospital have treated numerous party dignitaries. And yes, I've been there so I am not just 'saying what I imagine to be true'. In fact there was a TV crew doing a documentary about Wan when I was visiting.

 

It's always worth looking at China's recent history as well. You might want to listen to Damaris Jarboux's interview by Lama Tantrapa for some insight on such matters.

 

As you reach higher energy levels it'll make more sense, regardless of whether you have the judgement of it being hippy or not, because you will experience it very directly.

 

I don't mean to say the energy is hippy, that is very real because you can do things with it. I'm talking about the talking birds and trees etc. I mean i feel i can have a convo with a tree and feel it's energy but how can i know this is true? How can i know it's not my imagination. I feel these things need to be tested in some way, otherwise it could just all be inside your head. A way of gaining intuition but there may be many ways, and they all link together. It may not be the tree or bird at all, it's just that that is what you are concentrating on at the time when it just comes to you and so you attribute it to that.

 

Like the OP said, you need to experience it for yourself.

[z00se]

What you say in your post mjjbecker sounds reasonable.... i respect it.

 

 

I would disagree. Not every method has the same level of 'wisdom' or can reach the same levels of attainment.

 

Yes, not the same attainments, but reach the same quality of attainments, though different they may be. Would you agree? It depends on what you meditate on, and this is the area where your wisdom will grow. I have had several attainments and they all came after spending time focusing on a different thing and my attainment although it was a surprise to me was to do with my focus.

 

How long have you practiced this system for mjjbecker? Have you practiced other systems? Have you ever worked with the lower physical or middle emotional chi levels?

 

Mmm the interview is very good, it explains alot of what i wanted answering. The interviewer is quiet good with his questions and michael answers well. From my limited knowledge without practicing in this stillness movement system I do feel it fits exactly with what i have learnt from my own practice which is primarily HT and also being aware and watching the physical. It is approaching it primarily from the opposite end however. I usually concentrate on the physical which is directly connected to the spiritual, and also the chi or mental level. It's like this stillness movement is working on a reflection to what i usually do.

 

Whether or not you want to fully furfill your spiritual destiny is a question worth asking however. At what cost to your ego? Nature is the physical, it can nurture or harm too, just like the spiritual. Keeping your family together for the sake of young children could be against your spiritual destiny but may help your kids grow up more happily and healthy. I mean there are many what if's and of course there are many arguments either way that could be discussed till the cows come home. I find it really interesting though, discussing this balance. I find in thetaobums in general alot of people overlook survival and the pleasure and joys that nature provides. Often i hear spiritual people pleased with themselves that they have overcome the fear of death... but i love to be alive, the move alive i feel the more i love it. I don't think you feel more alive than when you think you're going to die and you want to live. Balance of both is good, too much of either is unplesant. Perhaps it has to do with my age, when i become older i could see myself indulging more in my spiritual side.

 

I believe a high percentage of people want (on a conscious level) to just get better so that they can go back to doing the things that are making them ill. Directing the attention to the physical as i do has the benefit of being able to do that i believe. Changing the spirit, well that is setting another course entirely and yes it is really fantastic but it depends on the person and what they want. Do they want to drop everything they're doing and furfill their spiritual destiny or do they just want to get better so they can keep doing what they're doing. In my experience playing around with this spiritual stuff is a bit like rubbing aladin's lamp, and making wishes with the gene - you may get what you want but you didn't want to lose what you had to lose to get it. Thats why i feel you need to be moral, otherwise you might get what you want but really lose something much more important. Thats another reason for balance, the best of both worlds. I'm not sure balance is spectacular though.

 

For michael to transmit qi to make people shake like i have seen on a video his spirit must be very strong, but from what i see, his body is not in tip top shape (it may be, but just from what i see in the video doesn't look like it matches his spirit in development). The power of his spirit compensates for his body, just like a super fit person's body can compensate for a lack of spirit. In my experience i found keeping my body fit allowed my spirit to soar to higher heights, and attending to the spiritual also strengthened my body. I think both need to be addressed in balance.

 

This nerve balancing thing michael talks about in the interview is new to me though. I have heard of it but have no experience with it. I can definately feel a link from the nerves in my spine to different organs and parts of my body however when i send chi to my spinal column, so i could understand on a basic level how it would work. I wonder is this a big part of getting pain elimination instantaneously? Or what is the principle part behind the pain elimination?

 

Thats how i see this practice fits in with other practices from my experience anyhow, and it helped me find answers to most of my questions.

 

Like the OP said, you need to experience it for yourself.

 

I am always open to experiencing and trying new things and it would definately do me good to concentrate directly on the spiritual for some time to better aquaint myself with it since although i have experienced it, the spiritual would certainly be the weakest part of my practice and my view of it is very narrow.

 

Damn i have spent all night on this post and listening to the interview, the internet sure does suck your time away

[mjjbecker]

I know this is slightly off topic, but . . . How did you know a high level 'immortal' spirit was watching you? Have you written about this experience elsewhere?

 

Also, where can we find Michael's recent audio interview?

 

I know. Maybe in the future but not here and now.

 

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/qigongmasters/2013/09/08/michael-lomax

[mjjbecker]

Yes, not the same attainments, but reach the same quality of attainments, though different they may be. Would you agree? It depends on what you meditate on, and this is the area where your wisdom will grow. I have had several attainments and they all came after spending time focusing on a different thing and my attainment although it was a surprise to me was to do with my focus.

 

No, I believe I said the opposite-that some systems operate on a higher level. That being the case, the potential attainment will be higher. The important variable in all of this is the individual, their application and aptitude. Where one person can make a fortune from a penny, another can squander a million dollars.

 

How long have you practiced this system for mjjbecker? Have you practiced other systems? Have you ever worked with the lower physical or middle emotional chi levels?

 

Not long enough.

Yes.

I am not familiar with Healing Tao terminology, so I really couldn't comment within those reference points. Even if I could, I don't know whether I would agree with them or not.

 

Whether or not you want to fully furfill your spiritual destiny is a question worth asking however. At what cost to your ego? Nature is the physical, it can nurture or harm too, just like the spiritual. Keeping your family together for the sake of young children could be against your spiritual destiny but may help your kids grow up more happily and healthy. I mean there are many what if's and of course there are many arguments either way that could be discussed till the cows come home. I find it really interesting though, discussing this balance. I find in thetaobums in general alot of people overlook survival and the pleasure and joys that nature provides. Often i hear spiritual people pleased with themselves that they have overcome the fear of death... but i love to be alive, the move alive i feel the more i love it. I don't think you feel more alive than when you think you're going to die and you want to live.

 

 

I suspect far fewer people have overcome the fear of death than those who think they have. I suspect anyone pleased with having such an attitude hasn't. Its an ego thing surely.

 

Depends on how you think you're going to die. Depends on what kind of life you think you're going to live.

 

Balance of both is good, too much of either is unplesant. Perhaps it has to do with my age, when i become older i could see myself indulging more in my spiritual side.

 

I believe a high percentage of people want (on a conscious level) to just get better so that they can go back to doing the things that are making them ill. Directing the attention to the physical as i do has the benefit of being able to do that i believe. Changing the spirit, well that is setting another course entirely and yes it is really fantastic but it depends on the person and what they want. Do they want to drop everything they're doing and furfill their spiritual destiny or do they just want to get better so they can keep doing what they're doing. In my experience playing around with this spiritual stuff is a bit like rubbing aladin's lamp, and making wishes with the gene - you may get what you want but you didn't want to lose what you had to lose to get it. Thats why i feel you need to be moral, otherwise you might get what you want but really lose something much more important. Thats another reason for balance, the best of both worlds. I'm not sure balance is spectacular though.

 

"You can't always get what you want

You can't always get what you want

You can't always get what you want

But if you try sometimes well you might find

You get what you need"

 

For michael to transmit qi to make people shake like i have seen on a video his spirit must be very strong, but from what i see, his body is not in tip top shape (it may be, but just from what i see in the video doesn't look like it matches his spirit in development). The power of his spirit compensates for his body, just like a super fit person's body can compensate for a lack of spirit. In my experience i found keeping my body fit allowed my spirit to soar to higher heights, and attending to the spiritual also strengthened my body. I think both need to be addressed in balance.

 

The questions to be asked in regards to any practitioner are how far their practice has taken them, and where would they be without it?

 

If Michael wants to comment about himself then that is down to him. It certainly isn't for me to do so.

 

I am always open to experiencing and trying new things and it would definately do me good to concentrate directly on the spiritual for some time to better aquaint myself with it since although i have experienced it, the spiritual would certainly be the weakest part of my practice and my view of it is very narrow.

 

Its all spiritual, it just isn't all good for the spirit.

 

Damn i have spent all night on this post and listening to the interview, the internet sure does suck your time away

 

It does.