A question about the Hun and the Po

[chuangzu]

[dao zhen]

[松永道]

This is a very deep topic.

 

The orthodox view is that Hun resides in the Liver, Po resides in the Lungs, Shen resides in the Heart, Jing (or Zhi) resides in the Kidneys, and Yi resides in the Spleen. The Yellow Emperor's Internal Classic states:

 

随神往来者谓之魂

Sui shen wang lai zhe wei zhi hun

The Hun leaves and returns following Shen

 

并精而出入者谓之魄

Bing jing er chu ru zhe wei zhi po

The Po exits and enters combined with Jing

 

Po relates to the seven emotions - anger, joy, worry, sadness, fear, shock, and pensiveness. Hun relates to the three relationships - to above (parents, bosses, ancestors, the divine, etc), to same level (friends and lovers), and to below (children, homeless, etc)

 

When someone has a lot of power, they are said to have Poli. You can see this in the eyes. Relaxed and concentrated. Many predators, great cats in particular, have tremendous Poli.

 

Vipassana, a Buddhist meditation practice, refines the Po.

精能生神，神能驭精

Jing neng sheng shen, shen neng yu jing

Jing gives birth to Shen, Shen controls Jing.

 

To give birth to Shen, the Jing from the Kidneys needs to be transported up to the heart. This is one function of Hun. For Shen to control Jing, it's influence must be transmitted to the Kidneys, this is one function of Po.

 

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I considered not posting this because I know there's a lot I don't understand. Spiritual physiology is a subject best experienced and studied within your own body. Words are just words and may just distract and confuse. Adhering to dead words is dogma, no matter the author, the real wisdom needs to be resurrected from your experience.

[solxyz]

The Po is responsible for our life instincts, the things we can do when we are born. It is roughly equivalent to the egyptian Ka soul and the etheric body in anthroposophy.

 

The Hun is roughly equivalent to the egyptian Ba and the astral body in anthroposophy.

[Maddie]

I was reading something interesting about the Hun and Po. One comparison said that the Hun was related to the light side of the moon and the Po the dark side of the moon. This is interesting because I had noticed over the past several months that on the night of a full moon I felt a lot of irrational intense emotions. The Po is said to relate to our animal nature, and die with the body.

[voidisyinyang]

I was reading something interesting about the Hun and Po. One comparison said that the Hun was related to the light side of the moon and the Po the dark side of the moon. This is interesting because I had noticed over the past several months that on the night of a full moon I felt a lot of irrational intense emotions. The Po is said to relate to our animal nature, and die with the body.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hun_and_po

 

 

Etymologically, Schuessler says pò 魄 "animal soul" "is the same word as" pò 霸 "a lunar phase". He cites the Zuozhuan (534 BCE, see below) using the lunar jishengpo 既生魄 to mean "With the first development of a fetus grows the vegetative soul".

Pò

, the soul responsible for growth, is the same as

pò

the waxing and waning of the moon". The meaning 'soul' has probably been transferred from the moon since men must have been aware of lunar phases long before they had developed theories on the soul. This is supported by the etymology 'bright', and by the inverted word order which can only have originated with meteorological expressions … The association with the moon explains perhaps why the

pò

soul is classified as Yin … in spite of the etymology 'bright' (which should be Yang), hun's Yang classificiation may be due to the association with clouds and by extension sky, even though the word invokes 'dark'. 'Soul' and 'moon' are related in other cultures, by cognation or convergence, as in

Tibeto-Burman

and Proto-

Lolo–Burmese

*

s/ʼ-la

"moon; soul; spirit",

Written Tibetan

cognates

bla

"soul" and

zla

"moon", and Proto-

Miao–Yao

*

bla

"spirit; soul; moon". (2007:417)

Lunar associations of po are evident in the Classical Chinese terms chanpo 蟾魄 "the moon" (with "toad; toad in the moon; moon") and haopo 皓魄 "moon; moonlight" (with "white; bright; luminous").

The semantics of po 魄 "white soul" probably originated with 霸 "lunar whiteness".

 

Yeah I got perv attacked tonight and I was wondering what was going on and noticed the third eye magnetic bliss was stronger than normal and then suddenly it hit me - I checked the calendar. Yep.

[Maddie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hun_and_po

 

 

Yeah I got perv attacked tonight and I was wondering what was going on and noticed the third eye magnetic bliss was stronger than normal and then suddenly it hit me - I checked the calendar. Yep.

Hmmm interesting. Did you get attacked at a distance or something? I also remembered that the po is supposed to be incharge of jing while the hun was in charge of qi.

[voidisyinyang]

Hmmm interesting. Did you get attacked at a distance or something? I also remembered that the po is supposed to be incharge of jing while the hun was in charge of qi.

 

it was the female orgasmic sighing routine after a fake compliment to try to get me to lower my defenses. haha.

 

I luckily picked up on it just from past experience and I immediately started chanting in my mind: "Ohm Mani Padme Hum" - I never said a word in response since I knew it would just be a means to suck up my energy - actually deconverting it from chi into sex fluids.

 

So I just kept chanting that in my mind and then took a shower (which Robert Bruce says is a great way to do an exorcism). But anyway then I went into full lotus at the keyboard.

 

I still need to correct some of the damage but actually I minimized the damage - I can feel my prostate has some stuck energy that still needs to be sublimated but no big deal.

 

But yeah I was wondering -- WHY? Because I didn't think my jing energy was that strong - which would normally be the cause. haha. Females picking up I have a "load to blow" so to speak. But I had done physical labor all day and did not eat that much meat, etc.

 

Anyway when I was in full lotus the middle of the brain magnetic bliss was stronger than normal and suddenly I realized - oh it must be the full moon! Checked the calendar - the third eye energy is strongest three days before the full moon - so pretty close to that.

[Maddie]

it was the female orgasmic sighing routine after a fake compliment to try to get me to lower my defenses. haha.

 

I luckily picked up on it just from past experience and I immediately started chanting in my mind: "Ohm Mani Padme Hum" - I never said a word in response since I knew it would just be a means to suck up my energy - actually deconverting it from chi into sex fluids.

 

So I just kept chanting that in my mind and then took a shower (which Robert Bruce says is a great way to do an exorcism). But anyway then I went into full lotus at the keyboard.

 

I still need to correct some of the damage but actually I minimized the damage - I can feel my prostate has some stuck energy that still needs to be sublimated but no big deal.

 

But yeah I was wondering -- WHY? Because I didn't think my jing energy was that strong - which would normally be the cause. haha. Females picking up I have a "load to blow" so to speak. But I had done physical labor all day and did not eat that much meat, etc.

 

Anyway when I was in full lotus the middle of the brain magnetic bliss was stronger than normal and suddenly I realized - oh it must be the full moon! Checked the calendar - the third eye energy is strongest three days before the full moon - so pretty close to that.

 

Haha, yea ever since I became aware of what my roommate was doing and stopped letting her take my energy I've not seen her for like a week and a half. She just constantly hangs out at her bf's place with him and all his friends. I guess its easier hunting there haha. It's weird like the next couple days she tried really hard, hanging out with me, buying me drinks and then when I still wouldn't give it up (I'm not that kind of boy ) hardly seen or heard a peep out of her.

[Maddie]

it was the female orgasmic sighing routine after a fake compliment to try to get me to lower my defenses. haha.

 

I luckily picked up on it just from past experience and I immediately started chanting in my mind: "Ohm Mani Padme Hum" - I never said a word in response since I knew it would just be a means to suck up my energy - actually deconverting it from chi into sex fluids.

 

So I just kept chanting that in my mind and then took a shower (which Robert Bruce says is a great way to do an exorcism). But anyway then I went into full lotus at the keyboard.

 

I still need to correct some of the damage but actually I minimized the damage - I can feel my prostate has some stuck energy that still needs to be sublimated but no big deal.

 

But yeah I was wondering -- WHY? Because I didn't think my jing energy was that strong - which would normally be the cause. haha. Females picking up I have a "load to blow" so to speak. But I had done physical labor all day and did not eat that much meat, etc.

 

Anyway when I was in full lotus the middle of the brain magnetic bliss was stronger than normal and suddenly I realized - oh it must be the full moon! Checked the calendar - the third eye energy is strongest three days before the full moon - so pretty close to that.

 

Hmmm it seemed that my roommate tried this tactic today. So she came home after work and due to previous experience I was expecting her to suck off my energy, but for what ever reason that did not happen this time, I'm not sure why. What did happen instead is that she was playing with her navel which required her to lift her shirt above her navel and then later so conveniently lean over with her loose fitting shirt so her boobs hung out, and then turning on music and dancing provocatively around, so a definite change of tactics. Anyways she had to leave promptly as she had made plans with a friend.

 

So what I noticed by the time she left was the beginnings of the deconversion process as I found myself thinking more of women and slightly less content with my previously happy solitude. So I went and meditated for a while until everything got back in order.

 

So I'm assuming that since I got better at not allowing my energy to be siphoned off, she upped the ante?

[voidisyinyang]

Hmmm it seemed that my roommate tried this tactic today. So she came home after work and due to previous experience I was expecting her to suck off my energy, but for what ever reason that did not happen this time, I'm not sure why. What did happen instead is that she was playing with her navel which required her to lift her shirt above her navel and then later so conveniently lean over with her loose fitting shirt so her boobs hung out, and then turning on music and dancing provocatively around, so a definite change of tactics. Anyways she had to leave promptly as she had made plans with a friend.

 

So what I noticed by the time she left was the beginnings of the deconversion process as I found myself thinking more of women and slightly less content with my previously happy solitude. So I went and meditated for a while until everything got back in order.

 

So I'm assuming that since I got better at not allowing my energy to be siphoned off, she upped the ante?

 

yeah of course.

 

See all these threads about dating and relationships -- it's ALL based on defining humans by language and the normal senses of perception.

 

But psychophysiologically it is electromagnetic energy that triggers the female orgasm so if a male builds up his chi energy then the female responds instinctively and basically goes into heat. If the chi energy is strong enough then there is a psychic mutual climax.

 

Now some will be creeped out by this and want to censor it, etc. as always happens when I mention it. haha.

 

Just because the psychic mutual climax happens it does not mean I think it is ideal - I'm just saying when a man trains around females then it inherently has to be a tantra situation because the female being more yin - more based in the parasympathetic energy system - will suck up the chi energy to trigger more internal climaxes.

 

So the problem with this is the male can never store up enough energy to really open up the third eye to do deeper healing with stronger power.

 

Tantra is stuck to emptying out the realm of desire and emptying out the lower realm of form. So Tantra is great for healing lower emotional energy because the internal orgasms empty out the negative emotions and also tantra is great for converting jing to chi energy since the more mutual climaxes that happen between a female and a male doing internal orgasms (like a female) then the stronger the heart center opens up as electromagnetic love energy.

 

But to really build chi energy it has to be based on emptiness and so internal orgasms are still stuck to the lower emotional energy of the heart as overexcitement or love passion. There has to be a deeper slower breathing of the lungs to convert sadness to courage which then converts the heart love to compassion.

 

In a tantra situation this requires the female to also empty out her love emotions from excitement erotic passion into a deeper compassion beyond any feeling of lust and sex. This is difficult because it requires the female to go beyond the normal emotions and well the female is based on having babies - psychophysiologically.

 

Anyway so that's why it's easier for a male to train with other males -- preferably energy masters of course.

 

This is why traditionally the male trains in qigong only after being a kungfu master because it requires the male to physically be able to create a safe space for himself without being emotional harrassed by idiots who are stuck in the materialistic lower emotional realm - not focused on the Emptiness.

 

Or in the caste system the Emptiness meditation by the males was done by the intellectual priests while being protected by the warrior caste maintaining the caste system of gender relations and purity, etc. But of course this leads to a hierarchical system of strong exclusion based on heredity, race, etc.

 

So you can see how this issue of training turned into the deepest most codified stratification of humanity on Earth - the Indian caste system with all the subcastes, etc. Professor Bruce Lincoln has done fascinating research on the caste system.

 

http://www.academicroom.com/bookreview/classifying-universe-ancient-indian-varna-system-and-origins-caste-0

 

All for what - with the goal of creating real fully enlightened yoga masters but this system obviously got corrupted.

 

Yeah so obviously what you experienced was what primatologists call female display behavior and I can only assure you that I have experienced - in general public -- basically everything from extreme lap dancing with the female backside literally a few inches from my face while I was in full lotus -- to breast displays -- and navel displays -- spread eagle displays - leg pumping - masturbation -- all the sounds of orgasm -- a female even playing pornography to me. haha. Verbal confirmation by strangers of having orgasms from me, etc.

 

O.K. so yeah full on tantra for five years - in public. But yeah I have always been secretly religious and so you have reminded me of my previous days of females doing display behavior to me - long before I practiced qigong but just because I sublimated my energy.

 

So in the Western tradition without yoga this sublimation process is not very successful. St. Francis Assisi would have his monks jump into an ice cold stream in order to sublimate the energy. haha. I think Gary Clyman recommends cold showers to trap the chi into the inner core of the body.

 

Anyway I relied on full lotus to sublimate the energy but that is not the same as purifying the energy. Purifying the energy is the mind celibacy which means not even talking or writing about this subject. haha. I realize obviously you are learning how to best deal with your physical situation as am I - but the only real answer is more meditation in silence. Purification requires silence. But yeah it was not until 10 years after my initial training that I finally studied Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality for the details on False Fire of the Heart.

 

http://fulllotusqigong.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-sufi-way-of-blame-heyoka-tricksters.html

 

Yeah I blogged on this as

The Sufi Way of Blame, Heyoka Tricksters and the Heart's False Fire

 

Taoist YOga: Alchemy and Immortality:

 

 

When the eyes see the opposite sex thereby giving rise to (evil) thoughts, the heart moves in sympathy and arouses the genital organ, if the practiser tries to gather the alchemical agent, the impure generative fluid will produce an illusory agent

 

So how can you or I train seriously?

 

When I trained seriously and I left my meditation room and I went to a local cafe and then this female I knew saw me and when our eyes looking into each other from a distance of about 20 feet suddenly I knew she had an orgasmic reaction to me.

 

That was the first time I could sense this and so I could not even mentally acknowledge or process what I had perceived through direct perception of the third eye pineal gland. So that was 2000 -- the end of 2000 -- and then in 2007 this female lept into the air after she did a "backside display" to me in full lotus - she lept into the air and yelled at the same time that I had internal climax up my spine - and so the energy had shot out of my eyes into her backside and even the next day she was still giddy and she pushed her coworker aside from the register so she could serve me. So that was the first time I discovered the psychic mutual climax in public - and it happened from female display behavior in reaction to me building up my energy.

 

Gary Clyman says he avoided female contact for two years while he was doing his training.

Edited May 26, 2013 by pythagoreanfulllotus

[Maddie]

yeah of course.

 

See all these threads about dating and relationships -- it's ALL based on defining humans by language and the normal senses of perception.

 

But psychophysiologically it is electromagnetic energy that triggers the female orgasm so if a male builds up his chi energy then the female responds instinctively and basically goes into heat. If the chi energy is strong enough then there is a psychic mutual climax.

 

Now some will be creeped out by this and want to censor it, etc. as always happens when I mention it. haha.

 

Just because the psychic mutual climax happens it does not mean I think it is ideal - I'm just saying when a man trains around females then it inherently has to be a tantra situation because the female being more yin - more based in the parasympathetic energy system - will suck up the chi energy to trigger more internal climaxes.

 

So the problem with this is the male can never store up enough energy to really open up the third eye to do deeper healing with stronger power.

 

Tantra is stuck to emptying out the realm of desire and emptying out the lower realm of form. So Tantra is great for healing lower emotional energy because the internal orgasms empty out the negative emotions and also tantra is great for converting jing to chi energy since the more mutual climaxes that happen between a female and a male doing internal orgasms (like a female) then the stronger the heart center opens up as electromagnetic love energy.

 

But to really build chi energy it has to be based on emptiness and so internal orgasms are still stuck to the lower emotional energy of the heart as overexcitement or love passion. There has to be a deeper slower breathing of the lungs to convert sadness to courage which then converts the heart love to compassion.

 

In a tantra situation this requires the female to also empty out her love emotions from excitement erotic passion into a deeper compassion beyond any feeling of lust and sex. This is difficult because it requires the female to go beyond the normal emotions and well the female is based on having babies - psychophysiologically.

 

Anyway so that's why it's easier for a male to train with other males -- preferably energy masters of course.

 

This is why traditionally the male trains in qigong only after being a kungfu master because it requires the male to physically be able to create a safe space for himself without being emotional harrassed by idiots who are stuck in the materialistic lower emotional realm - not focused on the Emptiness.

 

Or in the caste system the Emptiness meditation by the males was done by the intellectual priests while being protected by the warrior caste maintaining the caste system of gender relations and purity, etc. But of course this leads to a hierarchical system of strong exclusion based on heredity, race, etc.

 

So you can see how this issue of training turned into the deepest most codified stratification of humanity on Earth - the Indian caste system with all the subcastes, etc. Professor Bruce Lincoln has done fascinating research on the caste system.

 

http://www.academicroom.com/bookreview/classifying-universe-ancient-indian-varna-system-and-origins-caste-0

 

All for what - with the goal of creating real fully enlightened yoga masters but this system obviously got corrupted.

 

Yeah so obviously what you experienced was what primatologists call female display behavior and I can only assure you that I have experienced - in general public -- basically everything from extreme lap dancing with the female backside literally a few inches from my face while I was in full lotus -- to breast displays -- and navel displays -- spread eagle displays - leg pumping - masturbation -- all the sounds of orgasm -- a female even playing pornography to me. haha. Verbal confirmation by strangers of having orgasms from me, etc.

 

O.K. so yeah full on tantra for five years - in public. But yeah I have always been secretly religious and so you have reminded me of my previous days of females doing display behavior to me - long before I practiced qigong but just because I sublimated my energy.

 

So in the Western tradition without yoga this sublimation process is not very successful. St. Francis Assisi would have his monks jump into an ice cold stream in order to sublimate the energy. haha. I think Gary Clyman recommends cold showers to trap the chi into the inner core of the body.

 

Anyway I relied on full lotus to sublimate the energy but that is not the same as purifying the energy. Purifying the energy is the mind celibacy which means not even talking or writing about this subject. haha. I realize obviously you are learning how to best deal with your physical situation as am I - but the only real answer is more meditation in silence. Purification requires silence. But yeah it was not until 10 years after my initial training that I finally studied Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality for the details on False Fire of the Heart.

 

http://fulllotusqigong.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-sufi-way-of-blame-heyoka-tricksters.html

 

Yeah I blogged on this as

The Sufi Way of Blame, Heyoka Tricksters and the Heart's False Fire

 

Taoist YOga: Alchemy and Immortality:

 

 

 

So how can you or I train seriously?

 

When I trained seriously and I left my meditation room and I went to a local cafe and then this female I knew saw me and when our eyes looking into each other from a distance of about 20 feet suddenly I knew she had an orgasmic reaction to me.

 

That was the first time I could sense this and so I could not even mentally acknowledge or process what I had perceived through direct perception of the third eye pineal gland. So that was 2000 -- the end of 2000 -- and then in 2007 this female lept into the air after she did a "backside display" to me in full lotus - she lept into the air and yelled at the same time that I had internal climax up my spine - and so the energy had shot out of my eyes into her backside and even the next day she was still giddy and she pushed her coworker aside from the register so she could serve me. So that was the first time I discovered the psychic mutual climax in public - and it happened from female display behavior in reaction to me building up my energy.

 

Gary Clyman says he avoided female contact for two years while he was doing his training.

 

Hmmm ok this is shedding some light on something else that has been happening (aside from my roommates display behavior lol). So I'd been pretty happy cause I'd been meditating a lot and all those desire episodes had subsided substantially so I'm all like "yay I feel content and peaceful". Also what I noticed was that as I continued to meditate more that not only did I feel pretty peaceful but also the occurrence of having my energy sucked off lessened. So I was happy about that, as I was less tired.

 

It was at this same point when not just my roommate but other female friends at school seemed to up the ante as well. So I got invited out to diner Friday night and lunch yesterday after clinic by two different female classmates. Now on the surface nothing out of the ordinary happened as both of these girls are simply friends and classmates and they behave themselves more than my roommate does lol. But what I did notice was that during the conversation while eating that talking to them, but especially while making eye contact was nice as in these pleasant sensations that are hard to explain in words. Judging from their facial expression I assumed they were having a similar experience.

 

But the point is whether its my roommate now exposing more of herself to me or classmates going out to eat with me it seems that whereas in the past all of them would simply siphon off my energy while sitting next to me, now they are all going through more elaborate measures to do so. So what I'm wondering is if this indicates that further sublimation during meditation has made the energy into a state that is more difficult to take or sense than before thus explaining why more effort is made now than before?

Edited May 26, 2013 by dmattwads

[voidisyinyang]

Hmmm ok this is shedding some light on something else that has been happening (aside from my roommates display behavior lol). So I'd been pretty happy cause I'd been meditating a lot and all those desire episodes had subsided substantially so I'm all like "yay I feel content and peaceful". Also what I noticed was that as I continued to meditate more that not only did I feel pretty peaceful but also the occurrence of having my energy sucked off lessened. So I was happy about that, as I was less tired.

 

It was at this same point when not just my roommate but other female friends at school seemed to up the ante as well. So I got invited out to diner Friday night and lunch yesterday after clinic by two different female classmates. Now on the surface nothing out of the ordinary happened as both of these girls are simply friends and classmates and they behave themselves more than my roommate does lol. But what I did notice was that during the conversation while eating that talking to them, but especially while making eye contact was nice as in these pleasant sensations that are hard to explain in words. Judging from their facial expression I assumed they were having a similar experience.

 

But the point is whether its my roommate now exposing more of herself to me or classmates going out to eat with me it seems that whereas in the past all of them would simply siphon off my energy while sitting next to me, now they are all going through more elaborate measures to do so. So what I'm wondering is if this indicates that further sublimation during meditation has made the energy into a state that is more difficult to take or sense than before thus explaining why more effort is made now than before?

 

It's possible. The jing is definitely more easy for people to detect. The chi at first makes people a bit confused but yeah it's a delayed effect for it to then increase their jing.

 

So for example I could take in a female's jing energy but at the same time increase her chi energy. So her voice would then go from being deeper and stronger to being more feminine as higher and weaker voice - but her emotional state is much more heart focused and blissed out since her chi energy is stronger.

 

So then she will naturally deconvert that energy back to jing energy.

 

It's kind of like a shen transmission - well actually the pineal gland energy is shen energy but it's just a matter of intensity - so it's biophoton energy.

 

Umm..... yeah so I recommend if you can save up then get a phone healing from one of the Spring Forest Qigong masters -- call 952-593-5555.

 

So that will be a Shen transmission and then you'll have experienced the laser holographic energy. So then shen is light energy but it then basically works its way to the lower centers to increase the jing energy so there is a nice burning bliss in the lower tan tien.

 

Yeah for me - what happens is that unless there is eye contact then I can get away without the chi being noticed and so the pervs, etc. will not attempt to suck it off. But yeah like hand shaking - I can feel the energy vibration go from higher to lower - there's actually a buzzing sensation when it goes to someone with a low perv frequency. So the perv then will like put their other hand on me at the same time they shake my hand - basically groping me to get more energy. haha.

 

It of course makes me steaming mad and then I have to recharge my energy -- but the thing is that it's not worth expressing anger about - since the energy is free -- it just needs to be recharged.

 

So yeah I have had females pick up on my chi energy and then suddenly go - hey wait a minute - and then -- you know you can feel the cogs in their brain turning -- haha. So then they engage me in conversation about whatever stupid stuff they can think of - when the real reason is to suck off my energy.

 

Actually for the perv -- it is a creepy evil sensation - like the perv is actually evil hypnosis - they "engage" you like in Star Wars when they tractor beam is pulling in the ship into the Death Star. haha. They "engage" to lower your frequency -- so they can use your energy for their own evil purposes.

 

But evil is limited by its nature - it is also contained inside a greater good. So they "think" it's their secret means of increasing their power - and that they can hide their true evil intentions since it's their "private" thoughts. haha. But that's why Chunyi Lin just lets people take his energy since he recharges it from an infinite source and that is what forces the evil people to realize they are wrong.

 

So yeah I think -- see the yin chi energy is what you are talking about. You have to fill up the yin chi energy in the lower tan tien before the prenatal vitality or yang chi energy as the real kundalini is activated. That's when the chi is converting to shen energy to open up the third eye. The orgasmic bliss at that level is way more deep and full body - but basically the tailbone is vibrating in bliss.

 

You can reach this also from doing DMT with meditation -- umm..... but you gotta be careful of using syrian rue as an MAOI. haha. Maybe go with the Amazonian MAOI - the Caapi vine. Anyway yeah for me -- like the females flexing the back with a full body shudder as they shake off the stress when they orgasm - that is of course another type of female display behavior. haha. But it doesn't have to be like that - females are truly energy masters of the public orgasms -- with laser precision in how to soak up the male electromagnetic energy -- for example the breasts actually suck up the male electromagnetic energy to then achieve orgasm.

 

Yeah I don't have any regrets about my dirty tantra practice but it is definitely not the way to build up energy -- as Taoist Yoga says -- it's like kicking a football over and over until it looses its air. The jing energy gets depleted unless the third eye is fully open then you can recharge the jing energy through your shen energy. I can take in jing energy like I said so that I am at least balancing the loss -- but it takes a lot of jing energy to create chi energy.

 

You should be able to feel electromagnetic force inside your body - between your hands, for example. For me I always feel electromagnetic force in the center of my brain but that just means there is access to transmitting the astral energy. As Chunyi said he has met people with the third eye open but they use it too much so they are obese since their body is trying to compensate for loss of jing - they need to eat too much - or else they age early from loss of jing energy.

 

But our culture requires that the men services the females. haha. Like in China in the 1980s the females were not supposed to initiate conversation with the males in public - I read this in a book by a female professor who went to China with her husband -- she wrote about her experiences. So obviously it's a culture based on repressing the females physically and emotionally - I mean probably not as much anymore as females are working for their "liberation." haha. I mean it's a long road back to the original human culture where the males were trained to open the third eye to send real love energy to the females. So that culture relied on males training in isolation away from the females but the males also focused on healing the females after the males did their training. But the male training went to the opposite extreme of trying to "contain" the female formless awareness as a contained infinity - inside the body - as an immortal individual which is not possible.

 

That is the real origin of the male Solar priest religions like the Avatars: Buddha, Krishna, Jesus. So then technological civilizaton arose as a means for the female to protect themselves against this male materialistic culture - whether it's males going for materialistic immortality or just male ejaculation addiction as a materialistic mundane immortality. The Womb-Tomb as the Cosmic Mother is the only real truth that regenerates Nature. Nature is female -- nature almost always reproduces using parthogenesis -- mainly bacteria. For example for every one human cell there are ten bacteria.

 

 

All the bacteria living inside you would fill a half-gallon jug; there are 10 times more bacterial cells in your body than human cells, according to Carolyn Bohach, a microbiologist at the University of Idaho (U.I.), along with other estimates from scientific studies.

Edited May 26, 2013 by pythagoreanfulllotus

[Maddie]

Cool lots of interesting points. Yes understanding how things really work from an energetic perspective make things make more sense. When I first got on TTB's I used to speak in terms more of meridians and qi and elements but that didn't really seem to click with many people on here so I actually changed gears on how I explain things to a more western way of articulation cause it seemed when I made elaborate posts on organ qi interactions and conversions almost no one seemed to know what I was talking about, but then someone would post a post about how to pick up lots of chicks if you just fondle yourself the right way and everyone was game to talk about that lol.

 

So yea it feels like the point am at now is that when I feel like I'm beginning to feel a little bit of shen being generated that's like the precise moment my roommate will show up and "try on and model slutty outfits to see if I think her bf would like them" lol.

 

But anyways the reason I want that shen is because I've found that when I'm doing Vipassana that the depth of my insights seems to be directly related to how much shen I have at the moment. If before I was beginning to see deeper into the nature of reality after my roommate models for me and then turns on some music and does pelvic thrusting dance moves in front of me my shen seems to be diminished and for the life of me I can't get those same insights until I sit in meditation for a good length of time and rebuild that shen, at which time she usually shows up again lol.

 

Something else I've noticed as I convert more qi is that it seems like people become increasingly easier to read. For example the girl who asked me to go to lunch with her after clinic yesterday (this is the same one who put her hand on my back in class last week). Well I just know that she is upset about something and i feel that its probably her relationship (I don't know how I knew this I just did). Anyways so when we go to lunch sure enough she starts telling me how upset she is with her bf and so on and so forth. Then again I felt that what she wanted me to say was something along the lines of "oh man what an A-hole that guy is, I can't believe he treats you like that ect...). What I did instead was teach her the liver meditation lol, but she actually seemed to appreciate it. She tried it for a min or two at the restaurant and said she felt better from it and would do it on her own, and she looked happier too.

 

The girl who I went to diner with on Friday kept making little sexual jokes at first. When it was time for me to drop her off and I was driving again I just knew that she wanted me to invite her over (and no that's not just me being some arrogant guy, cause I also knew that the girl I went to lunch with yesterday did not want me to invite her over, she just wanted some attention, so I can distinguish lol) but I just bring her home and say good night lol, then go home and meditate for a few hours lol.

 

So anyways the point is, is that I thought that to have such a clear read on people like that you had to have your third eye open, but I guess just building up qi to a certain level accomplishes some of that? Also what you said about qi making people a bit confused at first. This seems to be the looks I get lately. Like this befuddled look as they are trying to figure out what's going on lol. Yea I've also noticed that pervs seem to definitely have a different flavor to them. Their energy seems more dirty and also I've noticed the energy of a perv also seems to be way more angry.

 

I guess I don't understand why this topic rubs some people the wrong way? It seems to explain so much.

[voidisyinyang]

So Hun and Po -- yeah I'm recording Paranormal Witness marathon on SciFi today -- I missed the first half of it but I've never seen this show before - it's dramatic recreations of "eyewitness accounts" of paranormal activity. They actually interview the eyewitness so it seems credible (unless the eyewitnesses are actual actors also). haha. Anyway it's very much like the NDE show I love - "I Survived: Beyond and Back" - forgot about that - if there's been a new series or not. It's produced out of New Zealand though.

 

Anyway so this how so far has had a couple who messed with a Ouja board and called on any spirit to manifestion - a friendly one - but instead some psycho spirit attached to the lady and began attacking the family and doing poltergeists.

 

So the third show on now is this kid who was in jail but then got furlow for his Grandpa's funeral but his grandpa was evil and abused the kid and the kid hated the grandpa and then he got out of jail -- wait now he is going back -- anyway he was staying at a friend's house but this spirit was attacking the house and family with poltergeists and physical abuse. Not sure why he's back in jail - was that whole house stay his attempt to escape jail?

 

He saids he has the power inside him to make it rain! He caused a poltergeist in the house with rain inexplicably falling from the ceiling and walls - and the landlord and his wife even were called over to see it.

 

Anyway so it appears he is possessed by his grandfather's dead spirit - the show is not over.

 

The first episode I saw was this UFO sighted by several different police departments -- and the thing shot off at incredible speed - sounds like the UFO that I saw - the big black triangle equilateral with no fuselage - but none of the cops saw the craft to make out a shape - just the bizarre lights. Anyway so the local military air base denied any activity but of course they would be the main suspects.

 

O.K. so yeah as Gurdjieff says a person needs to create an astral body otherwise when they did they don't actually have an astral body. Instead they have a ghost spirit that stays close to Earth - I have seen these spirits of dead people.

 

So actually when we are alive - without spiritual training - we are actually also already like ghosts or dead people - in a trance state - since ghosts are controlled by their lower emotional attachments - the shen spirit energy is still controlled by the kundalini energy as unconscious attachments. So we live in a lower frequency, lower dimensional dream state that is more materialistic and therefore inherently more destructive - hence all the violence on Earth, etc.

 

I mean violence has a role in balancing life on Earth with predators being fewer in number as the top of the pyramid but then killing off the sick and elderly so that the masses maintain healthier populations without wiping out the plant sources of food.

 

Yeah but what is happening with humans is way beyond our natural role as predators in the Natural balance of life.

 

So Gurdjieff said how the dominant life force on Earth has to first help the Moon grow spiritually before the Earth itself can evolve to become more like a Sun.

 

Life on Earth is governed by the Moon energy -- it is psychic but powered from the emotional energy - it is this yin chi energy -- so there is always shen energy within the jing energy and so there is yin jing energy and yang jing energy. The yang jing is the yin chi energy.

 

Yeah it takes a lot of jing energy to get to the Solar chi energy -- the prenatal vitality -- the shen within the jing energy to fully open up as the kundalini energy. This only happens through the source of the I-thought as the Emptiness meditation -- what I call the female formless awareness.

 

Modern humans - including females - do not live in harmony with ecology because modern humans rely on technology as the answer -- the technofeminism - and so there is a separation of heaven and earth.

 

So modern human culture is all based on male ejaculation and so females are trained to try to get a male to ejaculate and that is supposed to be the secret to love for the female. It sounds crude to say but this is reflected subconsciously also through the technological agenda as just being phallic power. So in feminism it is taught that the emotional energy and sexual energy is repressed by males and then this is projected as disharmony or oppressive energy towards females. This is very true but also the females then try to be like males - and this is technofeminism - why? Because since there are very few really enlightened males then the females never experience real love energy - so that the heart love is rarely really opened up.

 

The heart energy is opened up by the sublimated male energy which is the opposite of the male ejaculation. The male needs to embrace the truth that Nature is female and so the male needs to learn to have the internal female orgasms - called an impersonal eroticism - and this enables the male to not need to ejaculate - and so this enables the energy to keep building up to then increase the number of female orgasms for the female also.

 

The shen energy is a top down approach - it is indirect for the female - but the goal of the female is the internal orgasm. Even in male spirituality this role of the female orgasm is suppressed. As soon as I stopped "flexing" my pineal gland to transmit energy then the females not only got super cranky but they also got sick!! They got so sick and cranky that I got sick from them - they were dragging my energy down!!

 

So trying to rely on male separation from females in order to build up the energy while refusing to transmitting energy to the females to give the females what they want and need - orgasms - then this forces the females to have to sublimate their energy on their own - to learn how to rely on the Female Formless Awareness - instead of relying on males to give them orgasms.

 

Our culture does not understand the connection between orgasms and real heart love but it is through more and more female orgasms that the love energy increases. Instead our culture is based on male ejaculation as being the real goal - this is never directly stated but it is the focus of the culture being increasingly pornographic. So it is a sick evil culture since male ejaculation is based on increasing stress hormones - it is the psychophysiology of evil - this belief in infinite male ejaculation - which is a positive feedback cycle of using up the energy of Mother Nature -- raping and pillaging Nature and humanity as a whole.

 

So the females go around trying to get males to ejaculate - thinking this is female liberation to have "better" male ejaculations by having better male sex - but actually the females are trying to be more like males by doing this!!

 

So this energy is actually "yin chi" energy -- it is actually the ETHERIC travel - not real astral travel - it is still the HUN soul energy because it is still based on the lower emotions.

 

I was told I would need to fully open up the 2nd chakra to move beyond this area - but that also requires fully opening up the third eye. It is very difficult since it requires a ton of jing energy to be stored up in order to fully open up the third eye.

 

If you study the book Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality - it's all based on male celibacy. So any loss of energy means having to start over -- essentially. A certain threshold has to be obtained for a new trajectory - a quality change from the quantity change. It is explained by Chaos Theory - called a "bifurcation point" and that's why it's alchemical. Unless that amount of yin chi energy is built up internally in the lower tan tien then the "bifurcation point" is never achieved to start opening up the third eye through the real kundalini or yang chi energy.

 

Yeah I achieved that level for just a few weeks - the energy was too strong -- people around me were freaking out - I was told I should have called Chunyi Lin. haha. I stopped practicing and then my energy channels closed up. But the main thing I noticed is that I had turned into a "chick magnet" and so after that whenever I tried to build up energy again then either the pervs or the females would chase after me. As I was told -- it is very difficult to train in the city.

 

So there is the issue of "ghost pollution" and I would say this also possesses people to be stuck in their lower emotions - and so an exorcism is necessary. Like qigong master Jim Nance telling me about my dad - that was a type of exorcism of me.

 

So modern humanity is essentially possessed by all the ghosts of all the wars, etc. and so there needs to be some sort of mass exorcism of life on Earth.

[Maddie]

Yea I noticed in the past when I was in a relationship with a female they would often be upset if I did not ejaculate in them. I'd try to explain that its not good to over do it, but they didn't care they just wanted me to do it lol.

 

I got on xbox again after having not played it for a while and once again noticed that after being online with xbox after a while I felt the de-conversion process starting. So I'm getting off xbox and am going to do some more meditation. All those young males tend to want to pull me down to their vibration ugh.

 

Speaking of meditation for what ever reason it seems like my ego is resistant to Samatha. It seems to prefer to do a meditation with some kind of form. The idea of just watching the breath and mentally saying Budo over and over rubs ego the wrong way lol, BUT I had already done over 2 hours of other meditation and when I finally did Samatha THEN I felt all sorts of stuff start happening. Previous to that it didn't seem like a lot was going on. Weird.

 

Ok so now time to go and to some more Samatha. Brodi says to do one practice you like and one you don't like. He says its the one you don't like that is really making progress for you. So apparently Samatha is my practice I don't like lol, but I notice that if I can just get myself to do it after a while it feels great. Ego is a weird thing.

[Maddie]

I found this interesting article about the Po

http://taoofnourishment.blogspot.com/2011/09/po-corporeal-soul.html

and this too

http://www.fivespirits.com/po.php

 

I had a great Lung/Metal element meditation today and it made me feel super good, which is quite a relief after having a rather rough week of Kundalini symptoms.

 

Anyways the reason I wanted to comment on this is because the most common diagnosis in TCM for depression is the Liver. While it is true that the liver can and does cause a lot of depression I think its important to differentiate the various types of depression, as the word is a western one and can be somewhat ambiguous. So let's consider a few different types of sensations that are called "depression" in the west.

 

So you have the Liver/wood Hun type of depression for sure. I consider this kind of depression to be the more yang type of depression. If you break it down to its "aggregates" or component parts you will find a mixture of stress, anger, frustration, vengeance, and unfairness. Granted its easy to see how these feelings can definitely make someone feel bad. Since the Liver is responsible for our plans, and decisions if any of those don't work out like we would have hoped we get stressed. Since the liver is also in charge of problem solving, if it becomes overwhelmed people tend to feel "hopeless" as they can no longer see a solution to their problems (the problem solving aspect of the liver has broken down).

 

On the other hand this is another type of depression that is more yin in nature and that is Lung/Metal Po depression. This kind of depression has a more "empty" feel to it than the Liver/wood Hun type depression. The emotion of the Lung/Metal Po is grief, loss and longing. An obvious example of this would be mourning the death of a loved one. You have lost this person who was previously in your life and resistance to letting go causes grief. Just in the way the Liver is responsible for planning, decision making and problem solving, the Lung is responsible for taking in what is needed (oxygen) and letting go what does not serve us (CO2). We can see this function in the other metal element organ the Large Intestine as well. It takes in what the body needs (water) and releases what we do not need in the form of solid waste.

 

One way then of viewing Metal type grief would be as emotional constipation. Not being able to let go of grief and things that no longer serve us. On the flip side the virtues of the Lung/Metal Po are Dignity and Respect. If our metal element is strong then we feel very good about ourselves and we feel go about others. If our metal element is weak then we lack these feelings of dignity and respect for both ourselves and others.

 

A few other interesting aspects about the Po/Metal/Lung is that it relates to boundaries. What you let in and what you keep out (O2 vs CO2) (water vs solid waste). It also governs the skin and wei qi (defensive qi) so we can see how there is another example of boundaries there too. The Po is our instinctual animal nature so all things relating to such things are contained in the Po. Being that it is the instinctual part of our animal nature it represents the more primitive and automatic parts of our brain such as the limbic system. The limbic is the part of our brain that relates to emotions and smell. (This is why aroma therapy is effective in treating emotions). The Po is also very much about feeling and touch and we can again see this in its governing relationship to the skin.

 

From a more personal experience point of view, I realized earlier today that after doing the Lung meditation that not only did I feel much better and less bummed out from this week of Kundalini hell, but that this great feeling of "chaos" was replaced by a very nice feeling of "order" which is also a metal aspect.

[Maddie]

Though its not Hun nor Po, I thought this article about the Yi would be interesting nevertheless.

 

http://www.fivespirits.com/yi.php

 

The Yi is our intellect and intention, and our earth element and resides in our Spleen. It's emotion is worry and over thinking. It's virtue is fairness, trust and openness. It's function is to apply the thoughts of our heart and the will of our kidneys into the real world. It takes a feeling, a desire, a want, a notion, and forms it into a mental/intellectual concept that can then be applied to the physical or conceptual world.

 

Worry therefore arises when the Spleen gets stuck and can not preform this function and instead keeps going round and round trying to form a desire into a mental construct but is unable to do so. Difficulty in concentration can also arise if the Spleen is busy working on one mental task when we are trying to focus on another. Hesitation can arise when the Spleen has formed a mental construct but is having difficulty figuring out how to apply it to the real world.

[Maddie]

The Zhi: Our Will.

 

http://www.fivespirits.com/zhi.php

http://yang-sheng.com/?p=35

 

The Zhi lives in our Kidneys and is related to the water element. It's emotion is fear, its virtues are wisdom and gentleness.Its function is to house our will and willpower. The kidneys also have the unique and important function of storing our pre-natal jing (essence) and are also capable of storing a large amount of qi, so much in fact that there is a saying in TCM that "the kidneys are always deficient".

 

The kidneys also rule over the bones, and the bone "marrow". The concept of marrow is important in TCM in that it differs significantly from the concept of marrow in western medicine. Marrow in TCM not only includes what we commonly think of as bone marrow but also the spinal cord and brain. This is why we often see in old people who's kidney pre-natal jing is low that their kidneys are not able to nourish the marrow sufficiently anymore and thus become forgetful. The brain falls under the domain of the kidneys in TCM, Various aspects of brain function fall under all the various organs, but the physical substance of the brain itself is under the kidney's domain, as well as parasympathetic fight or flight reactions or anything else that involves the Adrenal glands, as they are classified as part of the kidney's in TCM. This also explains the kidney's relation to the emotion of fear.

 

The lack of willpower is related to the kidney's as well. If you know what needs to be done, know how to do it, but lack the motivation (especially between the hours of 3pm-7pm) this indicates a kidney deficiency. Lack willpower? work on your kidneys. Stressed out because your never sure what next disaster life is going to bring your way (fight or flight)? work on your kidneys. Want to be more calm and gentle in life? work on your kidneys. Forgetful, or have a hard time remembering stuff? work on your kidneys. Want a pizza? call the pizza place lol, just seeing if your paying attention lol.

[Phoenix3]

On 26/05/2013 at 8:07 PM, voidisyinyang said:

The heart energy is opened up by the sublimated male energy which is the opposite of the male ejaculation. The male needs to embrace the truth that Nature is female and so the male needs to learn to have the internal female orgasms - called an impersonal eroticism - and this enables the male to not need to ejaculate - and so this enables the energy to keep building up to then increase the number of female orgasms for the female also.

 

The shen energy is a top down approach - it is indirect for the female - but the goal of the female is the internal orgasm. Even in male spirituality this role of the female orgasm is suppressed. As soon as I stopped "flexing" my pineal gland to transmit energy then the females not only got super cranky but they also got sick!! They got so sick and cranky that I got sick from them - they were dragging my energy down!!

 

So trying to rely on male separation from females in order to build up the energy while refusing to transmitting energy to the females to give the females what they want and need - orgasms - then this forces the females to have to sublimate their energy on their own - to learn how to rely on the Female Formless Awareness - instead of relying on males to give them orgasms.

 

I’ve read many of your posts, I don’t know if you already have described it before but how does this internal female orgasms work for a man like myself? I tried being celibate for over a month, but it just makes me overly emotional, lust too much and feel like my qi is stagnant. I’m not sure how internal female orgasms can arise from this. If you have anything you can recommend reading to learn this, I would be grateful.

 

Also, sending healing internal orgasms to females remotely. That sounds really unusual. Do you send it with your third eye? Is it Shen you’re sending, or something else? It sounds quite draining to one’s energy. I think you said that it’s just passive, but I don’t recall any woman ever mentioning that when she visits a Buddhist or Daoist monk or Hindu yogi.

Edited May 30, 2018 by Phoenix3

[voidisyinyang]

1 hour ago, Phoenix3 said:

 

I’ve read many of your posts, I don’t know if you already have described it before but how does this internal female orgasms work for a man like myself? I tried being celibate for over a month, but it just makes me overly emotional, lust too much and feel like my qi is stagnant. I’m not sure how internal female orgasms can arise from this. If you have anything you can recommend reading to learn this, I would be grateful.

 

Also, sending healing internal orgasms to females remotely. That sounds really unusual. Do you send it with your third eye? Is it Shen you’re sending, or something else? It sounds quite draining to one’s energy. I think you said that it’s just passive, but I don’t recall any woman ever mentioning that when she visits a Buddhist or Daoist monk or Hindu yogi.

 

You don't want to do this - it is "qi deviance" and depletes the Spleen Qi. So I discovered the 1615 book that was the original source for the book Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality. This book from 1615 explains how at first the Hun Soul goes out the eyes but then if your Yi intention holds onto it - the Po Soul grabs onto the Hun Soul and the Po Soul gets pulled out of the skull. So this then causes the energy to go up the FRONT of the body - via the vagus nerve. So that is why it is a Spleen Qi deficiency as overuse of the qi - with too much serotonin then going into the brain via the vagus nerve.

 

So as for celibacy - you need to do the standing active meditation - the horse stance - with the knees more bent, the thighs more parallel to the ground - so that the thigh muscles are sore. You have to do this each night before you go to sleep. The legs pulsate 7 to 9 times per second - this pushes the dopamine to the extreme as an extreme sympathetic nervous system reaction, thereby causing an opposite parasympathetic extreme reaction - called "parasympathetic rebound." So that will then flood your intestines with serotonin and flush out the crap in the intestines. And so you get a win-win scenario - as you clear out the lust and the crap - and also you then increase the serotonin in the brain. But you do so first through a strong sympathetic reaction of the energy going up the spine and then back down the front.

 

YOu can see my "idiot's guide" for more details -

 

[Phoenix3]

Hey thanks, how many reps and sets do you suggest? And for how long (to failure?)?

 

do you suggest any other exercise too? I know too much exercise is bad for the jing, but a few people on this forum encourage lots of exercise. Is that really necessary? I have a really fast metabolism, so I could sit around all day everyday and still be thin.

Edited May 30, 2018 by Phoenix3

[voidisyinyang]

12 hours ago, Phoenix3 said:

Hey thanks, how many reps and sets do you suggest? And for how long (to failure?)?

 

do you suggest any other exercise too? I know too much exercise is bad for the jing, but a few people on this forum encourage lots of exercise. Is that really necessary? I have a really fast metabolism, so I could sit around all day everyday and still be thin.

 

What is called "common sense" is to learn to listen to your sensations - and so these things change based on primarily the emotions but also your age - and the emotions are closely tied to your environment - the people you interact with. For example it is arguable that posting on this forum does more harm than good for training. haha. And so - the environment includes change of seasons - and then diet is the next big factor after emotions and age.

 

So as you build up the energy more then you should be able to do horse stance longer - this is shown in the pdf link I gave - the link is in the video description. And so ideally you need to restore your energy to a 16 year old.

 

Exercise is NOT the same as harmonic resonance of energy based on yin-yang - I cite the research in the pdf. So a ph.d. research studied the energy of someone who is advanced at T'ai chi and does 15 minutes - compared to weight lifting or running - and only the T'ai chi dramatically increases the electrical conductivity of the body-mind.

 

So for example if a person is over 45 - then the qigong master - I was told via his assistant - says that lifting weights is dangerous for the health since you can burn out the liver qi too easily. On the contrary - for me - the only way I was able to lift weights was when someone got really angry at me. So I absorbed their anger energy and then I did not dare say one word back to them - instead I went directly to the bench press and converted THEIR anger into MY muscle. haha.

 

So that is another example of how our sense of individuality in terms of energy training is very limited - it is much more of an interactive experience.

 

 

[Phoenix3]

Just to clarify, this is the horse stance you’re talking about, right?

 

https://youtu.be/yxqrxYC0i70

 

It seems that there are a few different types of horse stance out there, so I just wanted to make sure.

[Phoenix3]

Also, back on the topic of Hun and Po,

 

where is Hun and Po found?

 

I’ve read that Hun is produced by the liver and goes to the head, and at night returns to the liver to rest.

 

I’ve also read that Po is produced by the lungs. But I don’t know its movements.

 

Also, is Po a jing, qi or shen?