A question about the Hun and the Po

[voidisyinyang]

1 hour ago, Phoenix3 said:

Also, back on the topic of Hun and Po,

 

where is Hun and Po found?

 

I’ve read that Hun is produced by the liver and goes to the head, and at night returns to the liver to rest.

 

I’ve also read that Po is produced by the lungs. But I don’t know its movements.

 

Also, is Po a jing, qi or shen? 

http://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Fac/Adler/Writings/Spirituality.htm

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The spirit of jing is called po; the spirit of qi is called hun. What enables the eyes and ears to see and hear is the po;

 

So this is very tricky - because if you put shen or Fire into Earth (bones) it turns Water (jing) into Qi (Air)....

 

So everything is qi - yet the spirit is our awareness of the qi or our consciousness of the qi. Qi is pure awareness that is also energy but it is impersonal and formless - so it powers the shen but it also guides the shen. But the shen is how we are aware of the qi guiding us.

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Together, the po and hun are the spirit of yin and yang,

 

So the goal is to activate the Yuan Qi - which is "Undivided yin-yang" as the T'ai Chi - and so this it the alchemical process. So the movement of the energy changes - depending on whether you are doing alchemy meditation or not, and various other factors...

 

You have to study the book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" for details.

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thus the po becomes the ghost and hun becomes the spirit.

 

Edited May 31, 2018 by voidisyinyang

[Phoenix3]

How does qi power the shen and guide the shen, when it is shen within the heart that transforms jing into qi? Doesn’t this mean shen has control over qi since it produces it?

 

Also you said in ancient times in Africa, men used to share their qi with women. But in the past few posts, you now say it’s ‘qi deviance’ which depletes the Spleen qi. So are you now saying that in the Ancient times, what they did during the tribal dances was incorrect?

Edited May 31, 2018 by Phoenix3

[voidisyinyang]

3 hours ago, Phoenix3 said:

How does qi power the shen and guide the shen, when it is shen within the heart that transforms jing into qi? Doesn’t this mean shen has control over qi since it produces it?

 

Also you said in ancient times in Africa, men used to share their qi with women. But in the past few posts, you now say it’s ‘qi deviance’ which depletes the Spleen qi. So are you now saying that in the Ancient times, what they did during the tribal dances was incorrect?

 

O.K. so the Qi as Heaven emanates out of the pineal gland as Yuan Qi along with the Yuan Shen. This is "pre-Heaven" qi - which means that the third eye has to be opened as the "ancestral cavity" via the Yellow Sprouts - the middle Tan t'ien.

 

So to do that - the Mind is the emotional heart with thinking - and so after puberty this causes the Yang qi - with substance - to get lost as the Po Soul energy. This is a  2017 pdf that explains how the Shen is perceived as a transformation of qi rooted in the jing.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=29&ved=0ahUKEwihxLmyl6_bAhUwjK0KHQRCDxw4FBAWCFUwCA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.duo.uio.no%2Fbitstream%2Fhandle%2F10852%2F60835%2FMai-Thi-2017.pdf%3Fsequence%3D1&usg=AOvVaw1_kYF4AkMi1lEIKeQqlh7z

 

So the oldest definition of Qi is actually the alchemical process of putting the Shen or Fire underneath the Jing or Water to create Air - or literally put the Fire into the Earth to turn Water into Air. This is Bronze Age alchemy - so it is found across Asia - from the Levant to India to China - but it originates from the original human culture - the San Bushmen - that taught to visualize fire at the base of the spine so that the water rises up as steam that is electrical charge out of the skull.

 

O.K. so the Lung as the Po Soul is then created by the Earth as the Spleen with the Proper Intention - only the Spleen is directly connected to the Yang Sympathetic Nervous system. So with deep reverse breathing - Quick Fire - this ionizes the neurohormones - the Jing - so that the Water gets ABOVE the fire. And with the eyes closed in meditation - and the deep reverse breathing - this uses the Lung energy to pull DOWN the Fire of the spirit (the biophotons) - along with the Liver qi.

 

So the Po Soul has Substance but it alchemically requires the proper intention of the Spleen - so that the substance is ionized - so the Yang within the Yin is brought out - and this Yang is then the Earth as the Qi.

 

Heaven has Virtue as the Yang Shen but it has yin within it as the yin qi without substance - but the Hun Soul as this yin qi is the proper function that then descends down - to bring the Po Soul lung energy then down the front.

 

This is how the Tiger and Dragon "copulate" or mix together to form the lower tan t'ien at the base of the spine - in the small intestines.

 

So the lower tan t'ien does not exist - unless the meditation as alchemy is practiced.

 

So the Yuan Qi is only activated once the third eye is fully open - with the Yuan Shen - which means you go deep into the Emptiness after you yang qi is restored - back to the moment of your own conception. So this is very rare - it means to get beyond chapter 11 in the book Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality.

 

But you can still get a "taste" of the Yuan Qi activated - and this is up to Chapter  Six in the book Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality - it is the T'ai Chi experience. I had this - but you have to rotate the eyes to maintain celibacy to keep building up the energy.

 

So the left eye is the Hun soul and the right eye is the Po Soul.  But only when they rotate and turn the light around - then does the light and qi return back to its source back in the body. Otherwise subconsciously when you see form as beauty - this triggers the Yuan Qi emanating out of the pineal gland to send the qi - via the shen as a biophoton or photon signal - it signals the kidneys to then signal the prostate - all through the sympathetic nervous system. This then triggers the "gate of mortality" and causes the Yuan Qi to then separate back into Yang Qi with substance and then during sleep it deconverts back into generative fluid and the sympathetic nervous system then, since it's already been triggered by the shen signal - then causes the loss of the qi via the essence lost.

 

So we can think of the Po Soul as the Vagus nerve - because the vagus nerve "restrains" - and so this is detailed in the book Taoist YOga: Alchemy and Immortality. The Lung as Metal is the emotion of Passion - and so seeing the beauty as form - this is a subconscious trigger of the Shen - a photonic signal as science calls it.

 

So you have to do standing active exercise to reverse that sympathetic nervous system that got triggered subconsciously at the gate of mortality. This is the Quick Fire breathing. Again the pdf link as the Idiot's Guide explains this.

 

If not then the qi of the body is used up via no celibacy and so the Po Soul is White because it is the Lunar psychic energy as the yang qi - the White Tiger that has to have its power restrained - but also it is the white of the bones after death - as the Ghost that remains with bones. So this is just a residual light. In ancient times - the bones would be dug up after the body had wasted away and then the bones as energy would be "contained" in an alchemical cauldron and worshipped - if the person had been a powerful ancestor. And this way the person's Hun Spirit could reunite with its Ghost at the bones - and feed on that energy of the current living family worshiping it, and potentially restore it's Yuan Qi again - as the Yang Shen golden body.

 

So due to the five elements - it is all interconnected alchemically. And so unless the Yuan Shen is activated with the third eye fully open - then the easiest way to error in the training - as the book Taoist YOga explains - is that once the third eye is activated - then it is very easy for the Hun Soul to go out the eyes at forms of beauty - as this is the sympathetic nervous system as the willful attention. Then the Po Soul will "grab onto" the Hun Soul - and so then this creates a lowering of the frequency of the shen in the person. You have a Shen exchange with the form of beauty - so you take in their lower frequency jingshen while your higher frequency qishen goes into them. So then this uses up your own jingshen as it gets pulled up the front of the body, instead of the going up the back of the body via the proper intention of the spleen with the Quick Fire breathing.

 

So if the third eye is fully open then you can recharge your jing energy - as the Yuan Jing - through the yuan qi and the yuan shen. This can be done only with the proper intention as I explained above. Otherwise you keep just separating out of the yang qi and the yin qi - as the yin qi goes out of the body and pulls up the yang qi - up the front. And so you don't have the alchemical purification of the yang qi going DOWN the front via the heart - as the ambrosia saliva of the cerebrospinal fluid - after the yang qi has first gone up the spine. So it is only with the tongue against the roof of the mouth and the shen as below the jing - that the qi in the body is built up with Green Dragon as the lower tan t'ien creating the proper intention as the Earth - the shen of the green dragon is then the Universe as the Emptiness via the lower tan t'ien that once the yang qi is restored to a 16 year old - then activates the yuan qi of the middle tan t'ien as the Yellow Sprouts - which is the ancestral cavity of the heart that opens up the mysterious gate of the third eye - the upper tan t'ien.

 

So only if you store up lots of Jing then can you build up enough qi to then build up enough Shen to fully open the third eye. But if you use the qi to then burn of the jing - this burns of the ionization of the lecithin (the yang qi is from that sympathetic nervous system of the lecithin being activated from the yuan qi of the pineal gland signal - as external shen signal). So normally a person's yang qi is regulated subconsciously by their organs - so by 16 the thymus and pineal gland shrink as the lecithin production instead is focused in the prostate as the "ocean of yin qi" - so that each time you see beautiful form - your yin qi as the WRONG intention then triggers the loss of the yang qi. That is the reverse of the alchemy - and so that is "post-heaven" since it is caused by breathing through the lungs - which also closes off the shen from the qi in the heart - via the pericardium and the ventricle and atrium.

 

So the Tiger channel as the vagus nerve then restores the connection between the shen and the qi in the heart - with the proper intention - to then restore the Yuan Qi - which itself is the impersonal soul energy. So the Po Soul then - it stores the holographic spirit exchanges - it is astral energy - but lower frequency then the Hun soul. This is why the chakras are the different colors. So a male who is addicted to evil - this is the black color of the frequency. They may have strong will power as kidney black color - but their intention is to just steal everyone's energy for their own constant sympathetic nervous system discharge.

 

Similarly when we send qi energy out of the body this also is a sympathetic nervous system discharge - and to store up energy it has to stay in the Vagus nerve - and that is the "restraining nerve" - with deep relaxation - as deep breathing - the vagus nerve controls the lungs. So again Qi creates Shen because Light has no rest mass due to time-frequency uncertainty (as it is called in science) - it is actually the T'ai Chi as the undivided yin-yang as the Yuan Qi. So light has relativistic mass which means that the Emptiness as spacetime is the curvature force that guides the light - from the future. So this means that in deep meditation then the Shen can have visions of the future as precognition - this is the shen interacting with its own "yin matter" or yuan jing - from the future. So the energy keeps cycling like that - the yang shen is from the yuan jing - the golden body - is the shen of the yin qi with the proper intention of the yang qi. So the yang qi has the yin shen as the golden body combined with the yuan shen of the yin qi of the heart.

 

So the Po Soul and Hun Soul are both yin shen - the yuan shen is still a yin shen - because it has no substance. This is why Daoists made fun of Buddhists - stating that even if you go past death via the heart of the Yuan Qi - unless you ALSO transform the shen of the Po Soul - the Jingshen - then you still turn into a spirit as a ghost after death. But the Buddhists realize that the Yuan Shen is impersonal and so there is no ego of the mind as a lower emotional "joy" of the heart attached - the Hun Soul still has this lower emotional joy of the heart.