The polarity of healing/curing

[karen]

Karen are their any energy healers who could give a similar resonance to cure disease on the non-balance level ?

 

Yes, but let me clarify some terms first.. "Disease," as I'm using the term is not the same as the allopathic disease labels, but it's an energetic impingement that is like a pregnancy - no amount of balancing will abort it. Many people who seem to be healthy and have no allopathic diagnoses are still encumbered by these diseases (especially the latent predispositions called miasms which can be triggered into activity, but also many other types )

 

When we're talking about the specific jurisdiction of curing disease, we're talking about targeting those impingements energetically, each one precisely. The disease entity exists on the etheric level so we have to use etheric means to target it. But even though it's energetic, it's not "healing" per se.

 

Healing is the other side of the polarity, which can include diet, nutrition, exercise, and even various kinds of energy healing for balancing the life force. This may involve working on the physical, biochemical level or on the etheric level but here we're addressing imbalances only.

 

Now, in order to achieve a full "remediation" from disease, you need to address both sides of the polarity. This is what Dr. Hahnemann discovered, and is why his system of medicine is called Heilkunst - the art of remediation - not the art of cure or the art of healing. Remediation encompasses both, according to the polaric nature of the universe, and of the life force.

 

Heilkunst practitioners therefore work on both sides of that polarity. The curing side is called Medicine, and the healing side is called Regimen. (Of course when we say "medicine" we have to clarify that we're not talking about conventional or even alternative medicine in the common parlance but a very specific principle).

 

So the short answer is, yes . See the HCH clinic website, and there are practitioner listings there. Most of them do most of their consults by phone, so people aren't restricted to local practitioners.

 

Here's a more in depth article on Healing vs. Curing

 

-Karen

[cricketty-rise]

why do you insist on complicating something very simple?

[karen]

If this is not your cup of tea, you can just ignore it.

If you have respectful comments, that's always welcome.

 

-Karen

[Upfromtheashes]

Yes, but let me clarify some terms first.. "Disease," as I'm using the term is not the same as the allopathic disease labels, but it's an energetic impingement that is like a pregnancy - no amount of balancing will abort it. Many people who seem to be healthy and have no allopathic diagnoses are still encumbered by these diseases (especially the latent predispositions called miasms which can be triggered into activity, but also many other types )

 

When we're talking about the specific jurisdiction of curing disease, we're talking about targeting those impingements energetically, each one precisely. The disease entity exists on the etheric level so we have to use etheric means to target it. But even though it's energetic, it's not "healing" per se.

 

Healing is the other side of the polarity, which can include diet, nutrition, exercise, and even various kinds of energy healing for balancing the life force. This may involve working on the physical, biochemical level or on the etheric level but here we're addressing imbalances only.

 

Now, in order to achieve a full "remediation" from disease, you need to address both sides of the polarity. This is what Dr. Hahnemann discovered, and is why his system of medicine is called Heilkunst - the art of remediation - not the art of cure or the art of healing. Remediation encompasses both, according to the polaric nature of the universe, and of the life force.

 

Heilkunst practitioners therefore work on both sides of that polarity. The curing side is called Medicine, and the healing side is called Regimen. (Of course when we say "medicine" we have to clarify that we're not talking about conventional or even alternative medicine in the common parlance but a very specific principle).

 

So the short answer is, yes . See the HCH clinic website, and there are practitioner listings there. Most of them do most of their consults by phone, so people aren't restricted to local practitioners.

 

Here's a more in depth article on Healing vs. Curing

 

-Karen

 

Karen Thanks a bunch

Great information

Well ok this raises questions then in regards to the curative side - It seems like the balancing side is very understood and often talked about (healing)

The curative side however -

now one is receiving curative remedies in a heikunst treatment with a practioner -

These remedies are acually higher "spirits" if you will similar to the affliction?

Say for example someone suffers from cancer - Could cancer be thought of as acually an entity that has assisted in our evolution and has some benefits as well as drawbacks thus disease is a "spirit" if you will

A higher form of the spirit is introduced thus the person keeps all the benefits and the the drawbacks disapear-

Maybe cancer is a bad example because it brings to mind the tumor or the physical manifestations as opposed to the genetic predisposition or energetic configuration of the person which causes cancers manifestations

 

Could one then call on a higher spirit to assist them without the heikunst remedy or could a skilled heikunst

practioner hear the symptoms the patient is describing and send them the curative spirit energetically on a curative level meaning they use their intent like a scalpel - They are sure of what spirit needs to be sent based on the patients descriptions/ historys traumas and they are very in tune with themselves energetically and possess the intent and concentration and well just the ability and they send out exactly what is needed

Edited December 21, 2008 by Upfromtheashes

[karen]

I'm going to preface this, for those just tuning in, by saying that this is about the Heilkunst system of medicine, which is the complete system of medicine developed by Dr. Hahnemann, which includes homeopathy. What I'm presenting here is only certain points, the tip of the iceberg. In order to fully understand how these insights grew out of the observation of actual laws of nature, there's a large body of writings to provide that grounding - Dr. Hahnemann's original work, and the work of those who have brought it into current practice.

 

Well ok this raises questions then in regards to the curative side - It seems like the balancing side is very understood and often talked about (healing)

Yes.

 

The curative side however -

now one is receiving curative remedies in a heikunst treatment with a practioner -

These remedies are acually higher "spirits" if you will similar to the affliction?

 

That's a good way to put it. The condition or symptoms are only the outer expression of the disease. The disease itself is a distinct entity, an energetic or spirit-like impingement on the person's energy (etheric) body. The remedy is given according to the law of similars, and it's energized, or dynamized so that it can reach to the same level as the disease.

 

(Just an aside note - This is actually a principle that is recognized not only in homeopathy and Heilkunst but in some schools of herbalism (spagyric) in which it's understood that a plant has a dynamic essence that acts more deeply than it does in its usual crude form. So an alchemical process is used to raise the plant to this higher potential and bring out its medicinal action. In herbalism, though, the herb processed this way is still chemically active, whereas the remedies most often used in homeopathy and Heilkunst aren't.)

 

Say for example someone suffers from cancer - Could cancer be thought of as acually an entity that has assisted in our evolution and has some benefits as well as drawbacks thus disease is a "spirit" if you will

 

Yes, cancer as a miasm is exactly that. The tumor that is thought to be cancer is just a symptom, not the disease itself, but there is a distinct disease called cancer that causes it. Disease is "beneficial" in the sense that it involves us in a spiritual process, to extract the spiritual meaning of the disease, so that we evolve in consciousness.

 

Many self-limiting diseases can be completely overcome by the natural heailng power of the body, such as childhood illnesses like chicken pox, etc. The child goes through that challenge and if it's not suppressed, the child emerges stronger for it, and the disease leaves no residue, no remaining impingement. They've embodied a spiritual lesson through that challenge.

 

But with many diseases especially chronic diseases, the natural healing power of the body keeps trying to respond to it by producing symptoms, but can't overcome it completely, so medicinal remedies are needed, and they remove the blockage and help the person move forward.

 

A higher form of the spirit is introduced thus the person keeps all the benefits and the the drawbacks disapear- Maybe cancer is a bad example because it brings to mind the tumor or the physical manifestations as opposed to the genetic predisposition or energetic configuration of the person which causes cancers manifestations

 

 

Exactly. For example, the same physical symptoms in different people may be caused by a different combination of disease entities and imbalances in each person. But if we're talking about cancer as a miasm, that is a distinct disease entity.

 

Could one then call on a higher spirit to assist them without the heikunst remedy or could a skilled heikunst practioner hear the symptoms the patient is describing and send them the curative spirit energetically on a curative level meaning they use their intent like a scalpel - They are sure of what spirit needs to be sent based on the patients descriptions/ historys traumas and they are very in tune with themselves energetically and possess the intent and concentration and well just the ability and they send out exactly what is needed

 

The image of a scalpel is perfect. I think what you're asking is can the remedy be delivered without the physical form of it? Yes. First the correct diagnosis has to be made. We need to identify the disease (I'll say more about that in a minute), and then we know which is the similar remedy. Then we need to give that remedy in the dynamic potency required in a given situation (and there can be several remedies needed at a given time).

 

How the diagnosis is done, though, isn't simply by an intellectual analysis of the case. Because the disease is an energetic entity, the practitioner needs to be able to observe what we call "supersensible" phenomena. This isn't psychic perception, but it means to engage the esthetic, noetic mind that is capable of making creative associations and illuminations, which the intellect alone can't. This supersensible perception isn't separated from the intellect; in fact it illuminates the intellect and brings it to a higher level of Reason. This is how we can have an objective and rational science, so the diagnosis isn't a matter of the practitioner's subjective perception.

 

This way of perceiving the patient requires a deeper interaction than a straightforward analysis of the patient's history or symptoms, although it also includes looking at all of that.

 

Now, once the diagnosis is made, we already know the remedy, as that is the true nature of diagnosis. As far as delivering the remedy, that can be done in a number of ways. We can use remedies made traditionally from the original substance.

 

Remedies can also be made radionically, by imprinting the energy pattern onto another carrier. A carrier isn't always needed at all, as the energy can be transmitted other ways, but often people need a physical carrier to focus the energy.

 

The delivery of the remedy doesn't depend on the skill of the practitioner - the diagnosis does, which tells the practitioner which remedy is needed. After that, the practitioner just delivers it in whatever form they decide is appropriate or practical.

 

Many homeopaths keep searching for more remedies, because their treatment doesn't work well enough. And they become mired in intellectual abstractions. But Dr. Hahnemann knew that he didn't need to keep proving more and more remedies - he needed to bring out a deeper understanding of the principles of nature that would inform the use of the remedies, and that he did.

 

And a note about complication.. Nature is complex, not complicated. Complication is like having a multitude of data and plowing through it in a linear, intellectual way. That loses the living essence of it. But to reduce it down to something simplistic is also to lose the living essence of it. We need simple keys to unlock the full complexity of truth.

 

I hope that helps.. thanks for asking such thought provoking questions!

 

-Karen

[Upfromtheashes]

I'm going to preface this, for those just tuning in, by saying that this is about the Heilkunst system of medicine, which is the complete system of medicine developed by Dr. Hahnemann, which includes homeopathy. What I'm presenting here is only certain points, the tip of the iceberg. In order to fully understand how these insights grew out of the observation of actual laws of nature, there's a large body of writings to provide that grounding - Dr. Hahnemann's original work, and the work of those who have brought it into current practice.

 

 

Yes.

 

That's a good way to put it. The condition or symptoms are only the outer expression of the disease. The disease itself is a distinct entity, an energetic or spirit-like impingement on the person's energy (etheric) body. The remedy is given according to the law of similars, and it's energized, or dynamized so that it can reach to the same level as the disease.

 

(Just an aside note - This is actually a principle that is recognized not only in homeopathy and Heilkunst but in some schools of herbalism (spagyric) in which it's understood that a plant has a dynamic essence that acts more deeply than it does in its usual crude form. So an alchemical process is used to raise the plant to this higher potential and bring out its medicinal action. In herbalism, though, the herb processed this way is still chemically active, whereas the remedies most often used in homeopathy and Heilkunst aren't.)

 

 

Yes, cancer as a miasm is exactly that. The tumor that is thought to be cancer is just a symptom, not the disease itself, but there is a distinct disease called cancer that causes it. Disease is "beneficial" in the sense that it involves us in a spiritual process, to extract the spiritual meaning of the disease, so that we evolve in consciousness.

 

Many self-limiting diseases can be completely overcome by the natural heailng power of the body, such as childhood illnesses like chicken pox, etc. The child goes through that challenge and if it's not suppressed, the child emerges stronger for it, and the disease leaves no residue, no remaining impingement. They've embodied a spiritual lesson through that challenge.

 

But with many diseases especially chronic diseases, the natural healing power of the body keeps trying to respond to it by producing symptoms, but can't overcome it completely, so medicinal remedies are needed, and they remove the blockage and help the person move forward.

 

Exactly. For example, the same physical symptoms in different people may be caused by a different combination of disease entities and imbalances in each person. But if we're talking about cancer as a miasm, that is a distinct disease entity.

The image of a scalpel is perfect. I think what you're asking is can the remedy be delivered without the physical form of it? Yes. First the correct diagnosis has to be made. We need to identify the disease (I'll say more about that in a minute), and then we know which is the similar remedy. Then we need to give that remedy in the dynamic potency required in a given situation (and there can be several remedies needed at a given time).

 

How the diagnosis is done, though, isn't simply by an intellectual analysis of the case. Because the disease is an energetic entity, the practitioner needs to be able to observe what we call "supersensible" phenomena. This isn't psychic perception, but it means to engage the esthetic, noetic mind that is capable of making creative associations and illuminations, which the intellect alone can't. This supersensible perception isn't separated from the intellect; in fact it illuminates the intellect and brings it to a higher level of Reason. This is how we can have an objective and rational science, so the diagnosis isn't a matter of the practitioner's subjective perception.

 

This way of perceiving the patient requires a deeper interaction than a straightforward analysis of the patient's history or symptoms, although it also includes looking at all of that.

 

Now, once the diagnosis is made, we already know the remedy, as that is the true nature of diagnosis. As far as delivering the remedy, that can be done in a number of ways. We can use remedies made traditionally from the original substance.

 

Remedies can also be made radionically, by imprinting the energy pattern onto another carrier. A carrier isn't always needed at all, as the energy can be transmitted other ways, but often people need a physical carrier to focus the energy.

 

The delivery of the remedy doesn't depend on the skill of the practitioner - the diagnosis does, which tells the practitioner which remedy is needed. After that, the practitioner just delivers it in whatever form they decide is appropriate or practical.

 

Many homeopaths keep searching for more remedies, because their treatment doesn't work well enough. And they become mired in intellectual abstractions. But Dr. Hahnemann knew that he didn't need to keep proving more and more remedies - he needed to bring out a deeper understanding of the principles of nature that would inform the use of the remedies, and that he did.

 

And a note about complication.. Nature is complex, not complicated. Complication is like having a multitude of data and plowing through it in a linear, intellectual way. That loses the living essence of it. But to reduce it down to something simplistic is also to lose the living essence of it. We need simple keys to unlock the full complexity of truth.

 

I hope that helps.. thanks for asking such thought provoking questions!

 

-Karen

Thanks Karen

Lots of good information

[karen]

You're welcome! You might like to see some new videos just posted, that explain the basic principles, on this youtube channel: www.youtube.com/pleromaproductions. Start with "Homeopathy Plain and Simple Part A"

 

Best,

Karen