Open Letter To Tao Bums About Mak Tin Si

[gossamer]

Friends in Dao,

 

I opened the forum this morning and there were TWELVE (12) POSTS by Mak Tin Si.

 

This is basically SPAM, with someone trying to SELL his lineage for $312.00.

 

Believe me, I know.

 

If someone was spamming the forum with pornography, or automobile ads, we'd ask for em' to be kicked off.

 

Or at the very least, to be shut up.

 

12 posts, in one period, my opinion, is excessive.

 

I know that I've been arguing for the NOT paying for initiation position.

 

But this is much deeper than that.

 

This is about somebody that's trying desperately to SELL SOMETHING here.

 

Does it really matter WHAT it is to you?

 

And at the same time, I'm all for open and free speech here on the forum.

 

But most of this is ABOUT MAKING MONEY.

 

It's NOT really about sharing Dao/Tao, it's about SELLING A TRADITION.

 

Please, please could we not find a way to ask politely for some of this SPAM to begin to wind down?

 

And for those of you who need it, maybe you and Mak Sin Ti could establish a PM relationship, and carry on from there.

 

If someone is spamming the forum, which I feel is happening, maybe it's time to at least ASK for it to cease, or maybe to ask for three or four posts a day, instead of *12*, and the day is still young, here in North America.

 

Thank you for taking the time to read my post.

 

I would enjoy hearing ANY feedback about this subject.

 

 

Peace, gossamer

[Mak_Tin_Si]

Did I tell anybody to pay me or join my lineage in this forum by the recent post? Um. I guess not.

 

If you have more to post and more to share, mine don't even looks like a spam to you. I am just posting more to share the knowledge of chinese culture and taoism. Please do respect those who want to read.

 

Is this forum now having a rule saying that we cannot post more than such an amount of stuff per day or something? That means even I am posting all these scriptures and knowledge of taoism or chinese terminology or taoism traditions, I am still spamming? SPAM means filling you up with rubbish like junk mail, but here I am sharing you true knowledge and facts or even taoism scriptures which is translated into english for all westerners. Is this also a SPAM? I never ask you to pay or any body to pay me. I am doing this for free here. So may you please just respect others for their knowledge? If you have more to share, you can post more too, that is what makes a forum big! more knowledge and more post really makes a place bigger.

Edited December 22, 2008 by Mak_Tin_Si

[genmaicha]

I couldn't find any SPAM to become a member or buy something from him in Mak Tin Si's posts.

But I'd appreciate it if you cut down the frequency of your posts to say max three new ones per day, Mak Tin Si.

Save some for the future.

Or perhaps even better write stuff for those interested in your practice journal or blog here.

Thanks

[Mak_Tin_Si]

That I can see it is reasonable and I will try to cut down the post abit. Thank you for your suggestions. What I am posting are just all about Taoism and Chinese Culture here nowaays, which is just very little. Wish all the best.

 

I couldn't find any SPAM to become a member or buy something from him in Mak Tin Si's posts.

But I'd appreciate it if you cut down the frequency of your posts to say max three new ones per day, Mak Tin

Si.

Save some for the future.

Or perhaps even better write stuff for those interested in your practice journal or blog here.

Thanks

[h.uriahr]

That I can see it is reasonable and I will try to cut down the post abit. Thank you for your suggestions. What I am posting are just all about Taoism and Chinese Culture here nowaays, which is just very little. Wish all the best.

 

Oh so I have to pay you to get you to say which hormones in the body are yin and yang??

 

HAHAHA.....

 

[freeform]

Is this forum now having a rule saying that we cannot post more than such an amount of stuff per day or something?

 

...

 

more knowledge and more post really makes a place bigger.

 

Bigger is not necessarily better!

 

Mak Tin Si - Sean, the rather mysterious and godly person who set up and is looking after this forum is very open to having a community that shares and regulates itself - in a respectful way - not a forum ruled by tight, iron-clad rules.

 

I think gossamer is approaching this in a relatively respectful way - in asking you to stop posting so many separate topics. For me it's pretty irritating - I'm only marginally interested in religious Taoism and when I come on the board seeing that 80% of the topics are by you, and with hardly any replies and the topics I am interested in are pushed several pages back.

 

I do appreciate that you bring an interesting religious aspect to Taoism that few here are familiar with, and I don't want you to stop contributing, but perhaps look for a way to share more respectfully.

 

I would suggest that you start combining your posts - not have one topic for each of the dozens of FUs you write about, but one topic covering as many of them as you want. Also we have a handy "Contributed Articles" section which would suit most of your posts as you don't seem to be asking questions or wanting to debate, but rather attempting to 'educate us'.

 

If we don't notice a change in your posting habits I'll speak to Sean and see what the best solution would be...

[Yoda]

I don't have a problem with Mak's posts. I think there is a lot of great information there to consider even if he is a bit more traditional then most of us are used to.

 

If Mak is interested, he could PM Sean to set up a personal practice section. While personal practice sections don't get the same level of traffic that the main discussion section gets, I'd guess most bums just use the View New Posts section which tracks all sections equally. A huge plus that this would offer is to keep all of Mak's posts together in one place which would be a valuable reference section for the long term.

 

Yoda

[Taiji Bum]

I don't have a problem with Mak's posts. I think there is a lot of great information there to consider even if he is a bit more traditional then most of us are used to.

 

If Mak is interested, he could PM Sean to set up a personal practice section. While personal practice sections don't get the same level of traffic that the main discussion section gets, I'd guess most bums just use the View New Posts section which tracks all sections equally. A huge plus that this would offer is to keep all of Mak's posts together in one place which would be a valuable reference section for the long term.

Yoda

Yeah.

[Smile]

Posting it as articles is a great idea.

[rookie]

Obviously he has a lot to say

It is more than I can or care to read, but some of it is very interesting.

 

If it were up to a vote I would say let him do his thing

[Taiji Bum]

Posting it as articles is a great idea.

Yeah.... that too!

[Apech]

 

 

I think gossamer is approaching this in a relatively respectful way - in asking you to stop posting so many separate topics. For me it's pretty irritating - I'm only marginally interested in religious Taoism and when I come on the board seeing that 80% of the topics are by you, and with hardly any replies and the topics I am interested in are pushed several pages back.

 

 

 

 

Actually gossamer is saying that Mak is spamming and trying to sell his lineage. Is this respectful or not? It seems fairly challenging to me. But I wouldn't want any restrictions. For me that is up to Mak and the people who might like to donate through his website.

 

My problem is that I have no idea if what Mak is saying is legit or not, I am not a Taoist scholar. So could someone enlighten me - is it all worth reading? Should I take Faat, Fuk and Duck seriously???

 

Thanks.

[rex]

Mak Tin Si seems more sinned against than sinner. We're lucky that he is willing to share his knowledge. Fellow Taobum Pietro met Mak Tin Si and gave good account of him.

Edited December 22, 2008 by rex

[gossamer]

Yes, this IS what I'm saying.

 

If someone else wishes to pay $312.00 for his lineage, be my guest.

 

NO problems.

 

But I DO have a problem with someone trying to SELL his lineage/tradition through writing posts here on the forum.

 

I mean NO dis- "respect" what so ever.

 

Look, if you guys wanna pay for anything, it's NOT my business.

 

But when someone is *spamming* the forum, so I've gotta read it too, that IS my business.

 

And besides, it's actually hard to find other NEW posts when Mak Tin Si, is all I see (lol).

 

 

Peace, gossamer

 

 

 

Actually gossamer is saying that Mak is spamming and trying to sell his lineage. Is this respectful or not? It seems fairly challenging to me. But I wouldn't want any restrictions. For me that is up to Mak and the people who might like to donate through his website.

 

My problem is that I have no idea if what Mak is saying is legit or not, I am not a Taoist scholar. So could someone enlighten me - is it all worth reading? Should I take Faat, Fuk and Duck seriously???

 

Thanks.

[thelerner]

I don't have a problem with Mak's posts. I think there is a lot of great information there to consider even if he is a bit more traditional then most of us are used to.

 

If Mak is interested, he could PM Sean to set up a personal practice section. While personal practice sections don't get the same level of traffic that the main discussion section gets, I'd guess most bums just use the View New Posts section which tracks all sections equally. A huge plus that this would offer is to keep all of Mak's posts together in one place which would be a valuable reference section for the long term.

 

Yoda

 

His own Personal Practice section makes mucho sense. That way his information would get less lost. What happens now is his posts get taken off the main screen so its hard to find and/or discuss them. What irritates Gossamer is the effect of one person posting 7 or 8 (12?) new topics in a single day shoving other conversations off the main page and forgotten. He's such writes on so many subjects his own posts are quickly lost to old pages as well. His own mini forum in the Personal Practice section would be just the ticket.

 

 

 

 

Michael

 

 

Michael

[Tao99]

Actually gossamer is saying that Mak is spamming and trying to sell his lineage. Is this respectful or not? It seems fairly challenging to me. But I wouldn't want any restrictions. For me that is up to Mak and the people who might like to donate through his website.

 

My problem is that I have no idea if what Mak is saying is legit or not, I am not a Taoist scholar. So could someone enlighten me - is it all worth reading? Should I take Faat, Fuk and Duck seriously???

 

Thanks.

 

A lot on here are promoting/selling their schools, techniques, dharma, etc. How is he any different? Lots of different ideas here like throwing chi balls, passing energy to others via hands, bloodletting, sperm retention, hot palm marking, extermination of spirit/soul/self. etc etc. Why is he somehow different? Buyer beware, do your research, know your purpose before accepting ways, seems to be the disclaimer here.

 

As far as Mak Tin Si goes he does teach Taoist virtue (ethics), and the Fu can be seen as a way to focus the mind for a conscious way purpose, if nothing else, all of which can merge you with the way. Who knows what else he teaches to his formal students. But this alone might be worth the price of admission (free).

Edited December 22, 2008 by Tao99

[gossamer]

$312.00

 

 

 

"But this alone might be worth the price of admission (free)"

[fiveelementtao]

Ooops. Master Yoda already suggested it. I guess I should read entire threads before posting...

Edited December 22, 2008 by fiveelementtao

[rodgerj]

Edited August 30, 2009 by rodgerj

[Tao99]

$312.00

"But this alone might be worth the price of admission (free)"

 

As far as Mak Tin Si goes he does teach Taoist virtue and the Fu can be seen as a way to focus the mind for a conscious way purpose, if nothing else, all of which can merge you with the way. Who knows what else he teaches to his formal students. But this alone might be worth the price of admission (free).

 

Obviously I meant what he is saying here (virtue/Fu/etc), which is free.

[Aetherous]

The personal practice section idea sounds cool.

 

I value Mak's posts, because they're something different. We can potentially learn a lot from what he knows that can help us, even if we don't like how traditional he is.

 

For instance...I liked his post about the winter solstice being the best time for yang qi.

[Yoda]

I was a bit worried that we'd run him off but fortunately he seems fine with our little ways.

[fizix]

I was a bit worried that we'd run him off but fortunately he seems fine with our little ways.

He seems like a man of all theory and no practice or application, sorry to say.

[joeblast]

whether or not mak tin si's posts are extremely helpful or moderately helpful, it is like an herb that can only be taken so much at one time. point in case, there were so many of these threads that its not likely I'll read all or even most of them. but just a few a day is more likely to effectively disseminate information to those interested.

[Spectrum]

I like spam in eggs.