How humans are not physically created to eat meat

[Jedi777]

Edited January 9, 2009 by Jedi777

[TTT]

Excellent article! I have never had such a nice overview.

I am vegetarian, although I was not very sure that we

were 'designed" herbivore. The only thing you have to be careful

for nowadays is that you take vitamine b12 supplements. Decades ago,

many kinds of food contained vitamine b12, but not anymore because

of the mass production.

 

About the difference between vegan and vegetarian. I don't think

we were "designed" to consume diary products or chicken eggs either.

I am vegetarian, because vegan is to much effort, but I wonder about the

advantages and differences of being vegan instead of vegetarian? I pressume

we were designed vegan instead of vegetarian?

[sunshine]

There is a big big trouble when people try to say: "one thing counts for everything/everyone else"

 

it is a fact that we are genetically pretty close to some ape populations...

 

it is a fact that Gorillas (as far as we know) eat no meat (but still proteines by all the insects they

consume) while chimpanzees do go hunting and kill other ape populations once in a while

tpo eat their meet. Their jaw structure clearly allows for this as does ours...

 

with smiles

 

Harry

[TTT]

There is a big big trouble when people try to say: "one thing counts for everything/everyone else"

 

it is a fact that we are genetically pretty close to some ape populations...

 

it is a fact that Gorillas (as far as we know) eat no meat (but still proteines by all the insects they

consume) while chimpanzees do go hunting and kill other ape populations once in a while

tpo eat their meet. Their jaw structure clearly allows for this as does ours...

 

with smiles

 

Harry

 

Apes eat sometimes meat if there is not other food available. The same thing basically applies to

meat eathers. A lot of meat eating animals eat nuts or plants when there is not meat available.

[super80]

Great article. I was vegan for over 3 years and lacto-veg for another 4. I started eating some red meat again a few years ago, and my health has suffered because of it. I recently adopted a "vegan" + fish (Salmon, cod) diet and so far I am feeling well. I have to say, dropping dairy and red meat has made a world of difference especially with my immune system. Adding fish such as wild salmon has lessened joint pain, etc..

 

Some folks worry about b12 when on a meatless diet, in which case Brewer's and nutritional yeasts fortified with b12 can help keep those levels normal. You can sprinkle on soups and salads, it actually tastes great!

 

-Vic

[ZenStatic]

Great article. But don't be surprised by the number of responses you get justifying killing another animal for "needed" food.

[Aetherous]

Very nice write up...although I'm a meat eater. Great stuff to support your side of the argument.

 

The main reason why I eat meat is: I feel normal in doing so. If I go primarily vegetarian, I don't seem as grounded and balanced.

 

But this thread has got me thinking about it.

[Smile]

You can't win friends with salad!

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[alexandrov]

if you look at the healthiest normal (and by normal I mean having no advanced cultivation abilities to reduce

 

food intake needs) peoples by (bone structure)

 

you find that they had diets high in animal products

 

that article is loaded with bias trying to prove a point and unscientific nonsense using statements such as

 

However, eating raw or bloody meat disgust us as humans. Therefore, we must cook it and season it to buffer the taste of flesh

 

that is total nonsense, just because some vegan hippies are disgusted at eating raw meat does not mean all

 

humans are. the inuit routinely ate raw fish and game. in fact they let fish putrify for months and then

 

consumed it, this was considered a delicacy. The inuit even up until the early 20th century when on their natural diet which consisted almost entirely of meat in the winter had a tooth decay rate where only .09 percent of the population had ever had any dental decay. They also had almost no facial or dental deformities, a high resistance to TB and other pathogens, no pain giving birth to children etc.

 

all of these thigs were clearly documented by weston a price a dentist who went around the world studying nonindustrialized peoples in the 1930's

 

I don't know how some people can claim veganism is the ideal diet for humans across the globe when vegetable food is not found in higher latitudes and colder climates during the cooler months. Do you expect the inuit to live off of grass in the winter?

 

I love how this article picks and chooses it's "evidence" and omits facts that can be used as an argument against veganism. Why didnt the article explain that ruminant animals have up to 4 stomachs so that they can better digest plant foods?

 

 

more bs quotes from the "factual article"

 

If we are true carnivores or omnivores, cooking our meat and seasoning it with salt, ketchup, or tabasco sauce would disguise and we as humans would refuse to eat our meat in this form.

 

too bad there is no logic whtsoever in this statement, humans have seasoned all sorts of food from the beginning of time plant animal whatever.

 

this is as logical as me saying that "as humans do not like the taste of straight raw broccoli, putting ranch dressing on broccoli proves that humans were never intended to eat raw broccoli."

 

again some groups of people eat their meat raw and love it that way. I used to eat straight raw fish with no seasoning sometimes, and I was not raised to eat it in this manner, so what does this prove???

absolutely nothing other then different people like the taste of food prepared in different ways, AND that people can adapt to liking the taste of foods they are not used to.

 

more BS..........

 

Meat is not good for you as it clogs your thinking. This is especially true if you eat red meat; white meat has less fat compared to red meat. Excessive intake of fats into your body can result in having a high level of cholesterol. If you think that not eating meat is going to make you look scrawny or unhealthy please think again. Just imagine that cows, goats, gorillas, elephants, rhinoceroses and so on are all vegetarians (herbivores) but look at how tough these animals are, not to mention their life span which is longer compared to the carnivores (meat eating animals).

 

meat clogs thinking............hmm very scientific argument

 

excessive fat causes high cholesterol.....................well tell that to the samburu tribe of kenya who have been known to eat up to 1 POUND of butterfat per day and have an average cholesterol level of half of the average american's cholesterol level

 

cows, goats, are ruminants and have 4 STOMACHS that is why they can thrive on GRASS

 

gorillas eat small amounts of animal proteins in the form of insects and insect eggs

 

 

The great Tai Chi masters of China were adept at preserving their chi, even if some of the masters were not vegetarians, they still had a balanced diet. It has now been scientifically proven that a balanced vegetarian diet is better compared to a diet that is taken with meat.

 

like i said earlier chigung practitioners have ways of reducing their food intake needs so we are not talking about them, in their case a vegan diets or sometimes eating nothing is something thay have trained their body to adapt to by practice

not something that comes as a result of forcefuly being vegan.

 

 

 

in summary i think this article is very unscientific, the authors notion of loosing chi by eating meat is simply underdeveloped at best, no evidence of real logic in support of most of the claims made, the authour is trying to prove a point and is not providing obvios evidence that supports human omnivorism, no sources cited, full of false information

 

i am not against vegetarianism, but i am against people using flase info to support it

 

Ithink vegetarianism can be beneficlial to some people for a variety of reasons

 

 

to read about the work of weston price.........here are some inks

 

http://www.westonaprice.org/

 

here is a very good link on traditional diets

 

http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/index.html

[Jedi777]

Edited January 9, 2009 by Jedi777

[Taiji Bum]

That article was very biased and unscientific. That being said I have gone ova/lacta vegaterian this year but I still crave extremely rare steaks. I like my stake still quivering..... I used to love to hunt and on my first buck kill as a kid I munched on raw deer heart as did my brothers.

[宁]

Vegetarians trying to convince Carnivores - that I see a lot

 

Carnivores trying to convince Vegetarians - that I see not so often

 

I can appreciate vegetarianism, but I think it's a bit missunderstood by most of it's followers

 

All this activism doesn't look so healthy to me

 

You should stop and think a bit about it

 

just my 2.000 $

 

hehe

 

L1

[Jedi777]

Vegetarians trying to convince Carnivores - that I see a lot

 

Carnivores trying to convince Vegetarians - that I see not so often

 

I can appreciate vegetarianism, but I think it's a bit missunderstood by most of it's followers

 

All this activism doesn't look so healthy to me

 

You should stop and think a bit about it

 

just my 2.000 $

 

hehe

 

L1

Thanks but no activism on my part just sharing information

Peace

[h.uriahr]

I enjoy meat. I also enjoy eating it raw, especially fish like tuna, salmon, yellowtail, etc. I eat my steak raw too.

 

I do know that I had tried being vegetarian many years ago but I couldnt do it because I didnt feel as strong physically.

 

Why do we have 4 sharp teeth if we were meant to be strict vegetarians? It's obvious to me that we are omnivores.

[super80]

I do know that I had tried being vegetarian many years ago but I couldnt do it because I didnt feel as strong physically.

 

Opposite is true for me, it boils down to what works for the individual.

[h.uriahr]

I enjoy meat. I also enjoy eating it raw, especially fish like tuna, salmon, yellowtail, etc. I eat my steak raw too.

 

I do know that I had tried being vegetarian many years ago but I couldnt do it because I didnt feel as strong physically.

 

Why do we have 4 sharp teeth if we were meant to be strict vegetarians? It's obvious to me that we are omnivores.

 

Omnivores

bears, opossums, pigs, chimpanzees, humans, raccoons, chipmonks, mice, squirrels, rats, some birds, lizards, turtles, fish and even insects.

 

 

A common trait of carnivores are forward facing eyes and humans clearly have forward facing eyes. I eat minimal meat but I still eat meat. I dont think you can successfully argue that we are strictly veggies or strictly meat eaters.

[RongzomFan]

There is a great book which details the diet of the chimpanzee, our closest relative.

 

Basically, humans should be eating A LOT more green leafy vegetables. I mean A LOT more.

[宁]

Health is just a means to an end, what purpose are we talking about... if we're talking Daoism, we're in trouble, as we don't have too many specialists...

 

For some, it's like with sex... it's great in the early youth, but as time passes by, and the body and the mind change, grow, mature, sex become a parroting of that youthfull activity. Sex has in some school 9 levels of depth, most of us are around 1, and some to 1a. It's no wonder it becomes a little weird and kinky as time goes by... if it does not evolve, it freaks, changes into un-natural.

 

I think the same goes with food and health... It's complex, but not the kind of complexity that makes you think, ah, let's gather all the info available and use it by our own intuition... that's not what i have in mind. There are rules and limitations, which change in time, as the object of their purpose evolves...

 

L1

[gendao]

I enjoy meat. I also enjoy eating it raw, especially fish like tuna, salmon, yellowtail, etc. I eat my steak raw too.

I'd cut the tuna out due to mercury content.

 

And I'd also be wary of getting worms, parasites and other pathogens from eating all that raw meat. Yoikes!

Edited January 9, 2009 by vortex

[mantis]

i've been vegan before and i don't see what the big hype is, it's mostly propaganda.

 

i think the real culprit is carbohydrates, not meat.

[Smile]

Humans are not physically created to kill either, and look at us.

[Bum Grasshopper]

Humans are opportunistic eaters. Our greatest trait is that we learn to adapt very quickly. Early humans were largely vegetarian when vegetable matter was available. Meat was consumed only on the rare occasion. Even in the early modern era, meat was a rare (no pun ) treat.

 

As the world became industrialized, the thought became "wow! by making ranching an industry, we can eat meat everyday and make a fortune doing it."

 

Now we are finding that that too much meat is not a good thing and we are once again evolving. I feel that being a vegetarian is just as extreme as someone who only eats meat. Sure you can live that way but why?

 

It is the dead of winter here in Michigan. I am sure that the natives of this land lived mostly on deer, rabbit and other game as well as fish caught through the ice. The cold weather provides natural refrigeration. Root vegetables, winter squash and dried grains rounded out the diet.

 

In the spring and summer, fresh fruits and vegetables take center stage and with no more natural refrigeration, meat and fish are the supplements.

 

This diet is in accordance with the Tao. I try to adjust my diet to the seasons and eat local food whenever I can.

Edited January 9, 2009 by Bum Grasshopper

[thaddeus]

eat right for your blood type has alot to stay about who does better on meat and who does better vegetarian..I think type O is for meat and A is for veggies..B is for both..but dont' quote me..either way it's worth a look.

 

however, it's all about survival of the fittest, and I believe meat eaters would dominate all the vegeterians. maybe it's just me, but it's tough to find a robustly healthy vegetarian. don't go nuts with examples of olympic athletes or famous fighters who are vegetarian, i'm just saying..that's all.

 

T

[soundhunter]

I think Bum Grasshopper is dead on, I think that humans throughout human existence have been opportunivores, eating what was accessible to them at the time.

 

Inuit people, as mentioned, eat raw meat. So do many other cultures, mmmm, pickled herring, sushi, salt cured pork like proscuito. The taste for cooked meat, that is aquired, but I'm betting that human beings have been eating raw animal products for a very, very long time.

 

We can look at how people ate in older times by looking at what tribal rainsforest people eat, guess what, they eat meat! Lots of it, and little of it cooked.

 

What is abnormal in old human times, is the consumption of grains, this didn't happen until agriculture and stationary societies were created. what do most vegetarians eat an abundance of? Grains.

 

We are an adaptive, opportunistic species and that this is the reason we've adapted to different diets in different climates all around the world, our adaptability is one major characteristic of the human species that sets up apart from most animals.

 

There's a movement of people following what's often called the "caveman diet" which is based on research into human history and what ancient people ate. It was not a vegetarian diet.

 

I know lots of healthy vegetarians, I know lots of healthy meat eaters. Humans can be either.

Edited January 9, 2009 by soundhunter

[Lighttime]

Jedi777, You're well meaning, but the information you provided is quite wrong.

 

Digestive Tract.

http://paleodiet.com/comparison.html

 

Myths And Truths.

http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtvegetarianism.html

 

The Blood Moon.http://www.westonaprice.org/healthissues/bloodmoon.html

 

Real History.

http://www.earth360.com/diet_paleodiet_balzer.html

 

Weston.A.Price

http://www.thaifoodandtravel.com/features/price.html

 

Weston.A.Price Foundation.org

http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm

 

 

Taobums Archive.

http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=5687&hl=

Edited January 10, 2009 by Lighttime