Celibate or not

[WestwardMonkey]

I have been trying many years to achieve celibacy whether I will keep to this path or enlighten to something else I don't know at this time all I know is what I have experienced.

 

I have tried resisting which made my mind want it more and weakened my minds memory but I never got sick from a cold.

 

I found ways to get my memory better through herbs I stumbled across, diet and learned how to retain semen though the huiyin cavity. Welcome back memory. I could resist longer the need for sex but I started getting colds and headaches unless it was after a really long space between the last time then there would bliss that lasted half the day or much longer. Now through these longer durations of resistance I had odd stuff happen sometimes with in the first 5 minutes of waking like some kind of figure was there in the room but then it would vanish slowly.

 

Resently I have tried 2 new herbs after reliezing the key element is in my mind I have to remove the under lying cause my thoughts which partly is a result of my bodies chemisty which worked really well but after extended use I get headaches my body temp drops and 1 of the herbs makes me depressed. So I am trying two other herb to counter act some effects of the first two which is showing promise but I have not found the right balance yet. I hope though herbs it can help my mind get closer to letting go of the need for sex but ultimately I think it will come from something more self reliant some understanding. Maybe celibacy is not the way for me maybe I am to attached to the idea of it.

 

I know some of the ways I go about this some would say your doing it all wrong but most of what I learned has been through trial and error I live in PA I know no Taoist masters here. Well not alive anyway. I read as much as I can from misc taoist classics like the Tao Te Ching and different translations of them and when I can not find it in them trial and error.

 

If any one has anything that can help me out, some technic, some insite or can just point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.

[picnic]

You can't be enlightened as when all is one then naturally there can be no other, especially no you.

 

Trying to achieve oneness is like stepping forward to achieve standing still.

 

Methods require doers so are dual.

 

Personally I am married. Celibacy for me will be after my wife is dead and that will be the way of nature and therefore perfect. Enlightenment is not to be had but lived.

 

You are never not in the moment, stay here now, where you always were, always are and you are much better off than thinking or planning or looking forward and back.

 

Edited January 15, 2009 by picnic

[WestwardMonkey]

You can't be enlightened as when all is one then naturally there can be no other, especially no you.

 

Trying to achieve oneness is like stepping forward to achieve standing still.

 

Methods require doers so are dual.

 

Personally I am married. Celibacy for me will be after my wife is dead and that will be the way of nature and therefore perfect. Enlightenment is not to be had but lived.

 

You are never not in the moment, stay here now, where you always were, always are and you are much better off than thinking or planning or looking forward and back.

 

 

I never contemplated it that way. I have reflected on other things in a similar fashion but not my concepts on celibacy. My mind seems to always be in motion to endless possibilities some have improved my life some have not but it seems this issue has been at the root of it. My life has settled in the greater sense I feel peace unattached thing flow naturally it is just this last aspect that has not setted. I guess I am still seeking nourishment from the mother and maturing slowly. But I'm patient. Thanks for you insite though it will help mature a little more.

[TTT]

Hey, I have been trying to be celibate as well. My spiritual path is trial and error as well.

I could be without sex now, altough sometimes I fail. If i fail in a wet dream it is not that bad. However, I think I will be without loss of semen in the future (maybe some wet dreams, but that doesn't matter much).

 

I meditate sometimes and it helps. However, I sometimes I feel disconnected from the world in that way. Thus I still miss a girl. It is not that i want a girl for sex, but still. I think we man and woman are wired to be together. When I love a girl or when I meditate I can feel my chi rising to higher chakras. Make the love for a woman divine love and the chi will rise even higher, I guess.

 

When the chi/prana comes higher I often feel a lot better (especially the heart chakra) Old memories from my youth come in my mind. Remember how blissful your youth was! This was because you had a lot of chi in your higher chakras!

 

Damn I am so happy I found this out at www.celibacy.info. This is a lot better than masturbating on porn!

 

Thus, dual cultivation is the way I am going to pursue in the future (I have no girlfriend yet)

[TTT]

Besides your memory IMPROVES from no semen loss!

 

Another question is which herbs do you take? I take ginseng & ginko bilboa. However, these herbs should be taken before 12 o'clock otherwise you cannot sleep deep. You wake up unrefreshed. (like with taking caffeine)

 

Besides you have to stop using those herbs in a while, otherwise they loose their efficiency! (they don't work anymore after days using them) compare it to mushrooms or something, you won't trip anymore after days using them!

[Lightbringer]

Trying to achieve oneness is like stepping forward to achieve standing still.

 

I think that's going to have to go in my sig. How concise yet profound!

[Adj]

Sex is healthy. Orgasming is healthy. Ejaculation is not. When I have sex, I get renewed energy and excited about life and motivated.

 

When I go a long period of time without it I get depressed, anxious, headaches.

 

You need to have sex, you need to orgasm, and every once in a while you need to ejaculate. (3 or 4 times a month)

 

Contact with another human being is key, produces chemicals that are creatable in no other way.

 

Good luck!

 

 

-Adj

Edited January 15, 2009 by Adj

[Ryan T.]

You need to have sex, you need to orgasm, and every once in a while you need to ejaculate. (3 or 4 times a month)

 

Not necessarily. Most people are at different places and to say things like sex, orgasm or ejaculations are needed is a an over-simplification. I believe people should listen to their bodies and have some level of analysis about what they are or are not doing. I have not seen any practice which can or should be applied with a "cookie-cutter" approach.

 

Although I do agree that sex is quite natural I find that we, in the West, tend to have an unhealthy fixation on it. Even the idea of celibacy seems to me to be a bit of a fixation. Things are appropriate when they are appropriate. When you have respect for yourself and your partner(potential or otherwise) this just is not an issue.

 

And as far as advice is concerned, I say try to release yourself from the fixation. Immerse yourself in your studies. And by far the best thing I have found to keep myself away from fixation, sexual or otherwise, was and is to immerse myself in service to others. True service without thought of self.

[WestwardMonkey]

Hey, I have been trying to be celibate as well. My spiritual path is trial and error as well.

I could be without sex now, altough sometimes I fail. If i fail in a wet dream it is not that bad. However, I think I will be without loss of semen in the future (maybe some wet dreams, but that doesn't matter much).

 

I meditate sometimes and it helps. However, I sometimes I feel disconnected from the world in that way. Thus I still miss a girl. It is not that i want a girl for sex, but still. I think we man and woman are wired to be together. When I love a girl or when I meditate I can feel my chi rising to higher chakras. Make the love for a woman divine love and the chi will rise even higher, I guess.

 

When the chi/prana comes higher I often feel a lot better (especially the heart chakra) Old memories from my youth come in my mind. Remember how blissful your youth was! This was because you had a lot of chi in your higher chakras!

 

Damn I am so happy I found this out at www.celibacy.info. This is a lot better than masturbating on porn!

 

Thus, dual cultivation is the way I am going to pursue in the future (I have no girlfriend yet)

 

Cool I have been looking for sites with info I will have to check that out. Now I saw you were having trouble during sleep. I have found if you reiforce a though in your head like a mantra but not as excessive just more regulary it will come to you in sleep and can protect your cultivation when your dreams lead you astray.

[WestwardMonkey]

Besides your memory IMPROVES from no semen loss!

 

Another question is which herbs do you take? I take ginseng & ginko bilboa. However, these herbs should be taken before 12 o'clock otherwise you cannot sleep deep. You wake up unrefreshed. (like with taking caffeine)

 

Besides you have to stop using those herbs in a while, otherwise they loose their efficiency! (they don't work anymore after days using them) compare it to mushrooms or something, you won't trip anymore after days using them!

 

I know this way is not as effective because it is not permant but it can buy me time (less energy loss) and put me in a calmer state of concousness maybe awaking in my mind to a better way. Far as the herbs I tried some odd ones chastberry has dropped my sexual desires but it is very potent by itself you can get depressed and can make your body colder. Black cohosh root can be really effective to by itself but it can give you headache with prolonged use and make your body colder. I am trying to counter act some of the side effects with dong quai and red dates. Which I have not found a good balance yet but I am still better off then yesterday. Now when I said about these being odd herbs one most can already see there more for females. I was contemplating the Tao Te Ching verse 28 "Know the male but hold to the female become the world's stream. By being the world's stream the power will never leave. This is a returning to infancy." I relized my mind is seeking femine nature through sexual desire so if it is satisfied the thought vanishises. I keep usage to once in the morning maybe once in the evening. But if anyone reads this and tries this don't over do it you don't want to become a female its just for the mind.

[WestwardMonkey]

Although I have lately been leaning towards celibacy for thoughs who are not I have found the more unattached you are from sex the more giving and loving you are with your partner because it is not an issue. Then when you have sex it is from the heart not an attachment to a desire for sex which can bring out ugly emotion as most attachments can.

[TTT]

Although I have lately been leaning towards celibacy for thoughs who are not I have found the more unattached you are from sex the more giving and loving you are with your partner because it is not an issue. Then when you have sex it is from the heart not an attachment to a desire for sex which can bring out ugly emotion as most attachments can.

 

Yes this is true. Altough even then sex with cause a disturbance in your world. It's really worth it to read "bliss of the celibate". Do you know most geniuses in the world were celibate (without semen loss)?

 

I take soya products (contain fytro-oestrogen) which is similar to the female hormone.

Edited January 15, 2009 by TTT

[Anabhogya-Carya]

Sex is healthy. Orgasming is healthy. Ejaculation is not. When I have sex, I get renewed energy and excited about life and motivated.

 

 

I don't think it is a matter of health. Its like saying breathing is unhealthy, sex and ejaculation are biological imperatives of all life.

[TTT]

I don't think it is a matter of health. Its like saying breathing is unhealthy, sex and ejaculation are biological imperatives of all life.

 

If it is for procreating, otherwise it is like breathing while you already have enough air. What is the biological function of ejaculating just for fun?

[Lightbringer]

This whole ejaculatory fixation thing is truly bizarre to me. After studying so many spiritual paths and gaining a diverse metaphysical knowledge, I would have expected to have some clue as to why certain Eastern philosophies regard ejaculation as bad. Hell, if women only do it when they FIX their emotional and physical issues, shouldn't that make ejaculation a sign that energy is flowing freely through the body? To try and halt a simple biological function seems unnatural, not to mention the idea of some hardcore, religious form of blue-balls seems painful. Could someone please explain to me this practice of "conserving one's energy"? Right now, this is just ringing a loud bell in my mind that says "I have abundance issues! I need more energy and it's always being taken from me, so while I like sex, I shouldn't let anything come out."

Edited January 15, 2009 by Lightbringer

[Spectrum]

To live life without a woman is like trying to cross a raging river without a raft.

Edited January 15, 2009 by Spectrum

[Gerard]

Semen retention for non-Orientals is insanity. They are a lot more Yin than us Westerners. Also bear in mind the Yin & Yang makeup of your own self according to the year you were born.

 

Lots of spiritual practices from the East need to be adapted to Westerners.

 

There is a lot of misunderstanding in this and similar topics.

 

This only brings more suffering.

 

 

Edited: typo.

Edited January 16, 2009 by durkhrod chogori

[Ya Mu]

This whole ejaculatory fixation thing is truly bizarre to me. After studying so many spiritual paths and gaining a diverse metaphysical knowledge, I would have expected to have some clue as to why certain Eastern philosophies regard ejaculation as bad. Hell, if women only do it when they FIX their emotional and physical issues, shouldn't that make ejaculation a sign that energy is flowing freely through the body? To try and halt a simple biological function seems unnatural, not to mention the idea of some hardcore, religious form of blue-balls seems painful. Could someone please explain to me this practice of "conserving one's energy"? Right now, this is just ringing a loud bell in my mind that says "I have abundance issues! I need more energy and it's always being taken from me, so while I like sex, I shouldn't let anything come out."

 

Yes, it IS bizarre.

My view AND my research in China of this subject brought me to the conclusion that, the method of seminal retention had nothing whatsoever to do with cultivation and everything to do with birth control. A certain well-know scholar that had migrated to the USA wrote this up as a cultivation method and many western males jumped all over it. Soon there were "MASTERS" teaching this to others and it has become embedded as a true cultivation method. Can it be turned into a cultivation method? Well, I can show you ten ways of bubble gum chewing qigong that I can guarantee you works, so yes, virtually anything can be turned into a cultivation method. But is it an efficient method? I do not think so. And I have personally performed medical qigong on too-many-to-count young, numb, and dumb western males who have created severe imbalances with this method. To those that say "BUT I get SO much out of it", I say congratulations, you created that.

The Taoist alchemical transmutation method of sexual cultivation I was taught involves love, male and female, and the ejaculation is utilized as a catalyst in the transmutation of energies where MUCH more Higher Level energy is received by both the male and the female than either utilized in creating the alchemical act.

I describe this method in this book.

 

And no, I REALLY care not if anyone reading this forum purchases said book. In fact, please don't unless you feel a resonance with the book itself.

[Taiji Bum]

OK.. all you married and ejaculation isnt an issue members.... what is your meditive attainment. Have you converted jing to chi, chi to shen, shen to void and void to Tao? What stage are you in? I have been in the celibacy camp all my life with my alchemy practice and now I am looking to get married and want to know what to expect in regards to regular or semi-regular ejaculation.

[WestwardMonkey]

I feel it is all in effiency. If the there is force applied your trying to hard it should be effortless this shows thing are going smoothly naturally with the Tao there is no blockage. Understanding the Tao is a gradual process gental and patient like water but in the end powerful like fire making it seem unattainable but this only do to ones effort or if that path is right for one to begin with.

[WestwardMonkey]

Far as westerners I think it is in life style issues. Example the U.S.A. is based in poor diet fast food high in salt, sugar, oils and excessive meat. I found the American diet set you up for failure for celibacy. I found when I eat a lot of salty foods my sexual desire increases probably from the increase in blood pressure. Sugars increase body heat like in sex. Oils sap nutrient from the body same with excessive meats that end up undigested in the intestines an at a amount that increase your risk for cancer because of chemicals in the meat not only that your digestive system is your livelyhood. Oh and what nutrients do you have to begin with they been replaced by additives and preservatives which were never ment to be ingested. How does your body repair and maintain itself on foods lacking nutrients. I personally am vegan and feel way healthier than when I was younger. It all depends on the individuals understanding.

[TTT]

Edited January 16, 2009 by TTT

[Pietro]

the worm life lengthed by 10% not 40%

[TTT]

the worm life lengthed by 10% not 40%

 

Sure about that? Maybe you could provide us with a link.

[TTT]

Take also in mind all the coffee drinkers (90% of people in VS) They need to coffee to be alert and to get a good feeling. (caffeine+ dopamine increases) Afterwards, they take pills to get into sleep (I think 20% of the VS). Take also in mind all the antidepressant takers (I think 10% of people in the VS), which induces also a good feeling. I believe if you just cultivate your own energies and not waste it regularly, you don't need all this crap.

Edited January 16, 2009 by TTT