TTT Posted February 26, 2009 So we live in a matrix. My body and the world is not real. When I reach enlightenment I see the world as one, and I will laugh and laugh about how reality really is. Ramana Maharishi said we never know if others are real. I think Hinduism says that life is only a dream and you have infinite potential. Â I am just on the path, so I don't know how reality is, but I wonder. How real are others? Â For example: I play a game with 50 participants, after a lot of praying to God and hard work I will be the winner of that game. Is this according to the law of infinity? I mean, because we are infinite we choose parallel worlds in which we win the game instead of others (like in dreams) Applying quantum physics this could be true?? (because every one is a center of a universe) There are infinite possibilites already existent? Â I don't get it. It seems that others are real, but sometimes I don't think it seems so real to me. For example, people can predict the future. I have seen weird things happening during Tarots game. Â This was an answer I got from a spiritual friend: The world is in you. It's a projection of yourself. As you save yourself, you save the world. Â Thus I think he means others are not real. But this will be a weird question for you, because either I am unreal or you are unreal or we exist in multiple universes at once? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted February 26, 2009 You can't understand the enlightened state being unenlightened. Theorizing doesn't bring enlightenment. It's best to continue on with what seems real to you at any given moment...so if other people seem real, don't doubt it. They are real, in that way. When enlightenment happens, you might "see through" that way they seemed real. But that doesn't mean it was a total illusion. Â But yeah. Practice good. Conceptualizing bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thelerner Posted February 26, 2009 This was an answer I got from a spiritual friend: The world is in you. It's a projection of yourself. As you save yourself, you save the world.  Thus I think he means others are not real. But this will be a weird question for you, because either I am unreal or you are unreal or we exist in multiple universes at once?  This is why Zendo's of old had teaching sticks, particularly for their theoretically oriented students. Masters would hold up the stick and say "I'm real, stick real, your head real" whack whack whack.  followed by:  'Look at your thumb, consider the molecules and atoms there. Do you think whole universes are contained there?  If the kid looks at his thumb and even starts to consider it, whack whack whack whack.   my 2 cents   Either ..........Michael ......................Or you've written this yourself which makes it even MORE valid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Posted February 26, 2009 This is why Zendo's of old had teaching sticks, particularly for their theoretically oriented students. Masters would hold up the stick and say "I'm real, stick real, your head real" whack whack whack. Â followed by: Â 'Look at your thumb, consider the molecules and atoms there. Do you think whole universes are contained there? Â If the kid looks at his thumb and even starts to consider it, whack whack whack whack. my 2 cents Either ..........Michael ......................Or you've written this yourself which makes it even MORE valid LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doc benway Posted February 26, 2009 "are others real?" No - there's only Me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TTT Posted February 26, 2009 Ok thanks, but still a LOT of western scientist are trying to figure out how it works. Holographic universe, divine matrix, god mind, etc. They have helped me somewhat on how reality works. Â But indeed, it is al Me with its spinning illusions, I just need to practise so I could see for myself. Besides I don't want any more sticks on my head :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sloppy Zhang Posted February 26, 2009 A world without anyone else seems kind of lonely.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thelerner Posted February 27, 2009 Whatever the causes and effects, you win when you create a good world and can function well within it.    Michael  Which reminds me of a story I'm working on Lords of Gossamer which touches on the subject of what is real. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoda Posted February 27, 2009 Let's be frank... No, No, Neti-Neti Aint! Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Posted February 27, 2009 I think we're real. It's only our idea of separateness that's unreal, and even our concept of non-duality is likely unreal. Separate and not separate. I prefer interdependent. Â I cut you and you bleed, and the same for me. That's pretty real. Saying that's an illusion is bullshit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeutralWire Posted February 27, 2009 are others real? Â They are as real as one considers oneself to be, certainly. NW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zanshin Posted February 27, 2009 I am as real as you are, but I may be no more than a butterfly's fleeting dream Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
minkus Posted February 27, 2009 This is all a dream dont wake me up plz it was yust getting good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
forestofsouls Posted February 27, 2009 Â If the kid looks at his thumb and even starts to consider it, whack whack whack whack. my 2 cents Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
