Eye of Horus

[Cloudhand]

This rings true - the Egyptians said "the buttocks are the buttocks of the eye of Horus" so there is a relation with the lower body. Can you explain more as to what Crowley and Regardie said?

 

 

Sure brother, Ok I not sure if you are familiar with Mr Regardie he spent a lot of time in the Golden Dawn and OTO he did alot of editing for Crowley, when he was young he became very attached to Golden Dawn teachings and not OTO. Higher grades in Golden Dawn are very similar to what we want to do in Tai Chi and Qigong we cirulate the inner energy but in the Dawn we bring the light down instead of up and then circulate, of course the Dawn rituals are infulenced by Egyptians and seat of power is the base of the spine. Now Crowley who started his own order A A which is where all the teaching are, is what im concerned with not OTO which has a Masonic and Egyptian flavor. The A A is where Crowley shined he linked Magick and Yoga just like Yin and Yang. The yoga Crowley studied was Burmese Yoga which circulates the inner engeries from the base of the spine. If you ever seen Kenneth Angers Lucifers Rising, Osiris and Issis preform the ritual of waking Osiris and bringing the energy down from the sky very close to Egytian Magic. Crowley always said he was the Eye Of Horus which he meant he was a asshole, but it did have another meaning the seat of power is at the base of the spine. The Egyptians new this and used it in the rituals they did. Move Slowly, Cloudhand

[deci belle]

Moving energy up or down doesn't matter, these are practices relating to energy or the science of life and the refinement and building up of primal vitality. Essence is the prime focus of alchemy of enlightened mind. The Eye of Horus teaching is highly symbolic. The fish ate his penis. Fish are notoriously unemotional creatures. It is the deliberate transformation (sacrifice) of one's sexual vitality towards impersonal (fishlike) totality (ocean) that one gains the magic penis (godhead).

 

Of course, nothing is to be gained by enlightenment except the experience of the 1/64 symbolic of nonbeing. Wholeness is the knowledge of selfless living awareness. The fight in which Horus looses his eye is symbolic of rational consciousness (duality). The knowledge of good and evil is to know neither in everyday ordinary situations. Worldly issues do not apply. Purity is neither good nor bad.

 

What a beautiful teaching the ancients gave us!

Edited December 6, 2010 by deci belle

[Cloudhand]

Moving energy up or down doesn't matter, these are practices relating to energy or the science of life and the refinement and building up of primal vitality. Essence is the prime focus of alchemy of enlightened mind. The Eye of Horus teaching is highly symbolic. The fish ate his penis. Fish are notoriously unemotional creatures. It is the deliberate transformation (sacrifice) of one's sexual vitality towards impersonal (fishlike) totality (ocean) that one gains the magic penis (godhead).

 

Of course, nothing is to be gained by enlightenment except the experience of the 1/64 symbolic of nonbeing. Wholeness is the knowledge of selfless living awareness. The fight in which Horus looses his eye is symbolic of rational consciousness (duality). The knowledge of good and evil is to know neither in everyday ordinary situations. Worldly issues do not apply. Purity is neither good nor bad.

 

What a beautiful teaching the ancients gave us!

 

 

You dont read the Question **** ****. He asked me Crowleys and Regardie imput you are a **** **** who wants just to talk crap like most of the people on this site. Cloudhand

 

 

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[Cloudhand]

deci belle have you ever stood in a circle and invoked the Sun Disk to visible appearence? I think not you would not be so Sweet and Light. Move Slowly Cloud

[deci belle]

How does all this relate to the un-carved block of wood? That may not be all that occult on the surface. Perhaps, But that is Apech's original premise.

 

It's also not very juicy and exotic or even mysterious. It's just what it is. Whole. Complete. Unadulterated. Sure, the Eye of Horus teaching has all these parts to play with …but the similarity (Apech's thrust for this thread), would seem to be hinged on the essence of completeness.

 

Would you care to tell us what you know about that, Cloudhand? If not, carry on, as your topic is interesting too❤

Edited December 20, 2010 by deci belle

[rain]

what are you to up to?

 

trying to entice dumcopfs with a socalled fake duel?

[rain]

deci belle have you ever stood in a circle and invoked the Sun Disk to visible appearence? I think not you would not be so Sweet and Light. Move Slowly Cloud

 

Cloudhand..could you share some information on which mecanisms make the sundisk appear and..disappear?

[9th]

Horus and Set cooperating to produce a Divine Working, typically rendered by archaeologists as the "unification of Egypt".

 

Each figure has one foot on the top of the pelvic bone as they knot lotus and papyrus stalks around the spinal column at the location of the navel.

 

[Apech]

They would also say that the thing in the middle the 'sma' is the lungs and trachea ... but I agree with you that it is the pelvis and spine. I've discussed this with Mark Foote who is interested in the sacrum. We used the version of this that has the two Hapy figures instead of Horus and Set.

[Mark Foote]

Horus and Set cooperating to produce a Divine Working, typically rendered by archaeologists as the "unification of Egypt".

 

Each figure has one foot on the top of the pelvic bone as they knot lotus and papyrus stalks around the spinal column at the location of the navel.

 

 

Here's another idea about this carving for you, 9th; this is something I produced as part of a comment on reverse breathing that I made on the Chun-yi Lin interview thread (I think), and concerns the ligaments that attach the sacrum to the pelvis, and the role of the ilio-lumbar ligaments in the movement of the sacrum:

 

 

And here's the caption of the video on YouTube, which applies the video to reverse breathing:

 

The autonomic respirations coordinate through the place of occurrence of consciousness (illustrated with a gyroscope) to cause action that opens the nerve channels between vertebrae; thus, the place that consciousness occurs has impact and opens feeling, through the body to the surface of the skin and in the senses.

 

We all know what it feels like to stretch, and how close stretch can be to pain; a lot of my practice is learning what is stretching at the moment, and how to relax and allow stretch and activity to reciprocate as consciousness takes place. The length of the movement of breath can be a guide to healthy stretch and the subsequent involuntary activity, both with the breath in and with the breath out.

 

With that in mind, the impact and feeling as consciousness takes place in inhalation tends to result in reciprocal activity that draws upward and inward, while the impact and feeling as consciousness takes place in exhalation tends to result in activity that sinks downward and forward. This is my experience, when the length of the movement of breath guides the stretch and activity as consciousness occurs, and I believe this is because the ilio-lumbar ligaments from the pelvis to the 4th lumbar vertebrae engage on the inhalation (they are vertical), and the ilio-lumbar ligaments from the pelvis to the 5th lumbar vertebrae engage on the exhalation (they are horizontal).

 

When the length of the movement of breath guides the stretch and activity as consciousness occurs, reverse breathing is already taking place, even though each breath is completely natural.

 

(the image at the close of the video is from the tomb of Rameses at Luxor)

Edited January 13, 2011 by Mark Foote

[9th]

Hey there, mark... been to the Hardcore Zen site in a while?

 

[Mark Foote]

Hey there, mark... been to the Hardcore Zen site in a while?

 

 

Hi, 9th- yes, I made a comment on Brad's recent blog entry about the Hendrix recordings, although I was actually speaking to his prior thread- about abbot Muho's remarks on the Antaiji site. We are all concerned to see the lotus come West; the abbot is an amazing adept for leading the practice at Antaiji, but as I said in my comment I feel that Brad may have more success, because he speaks to the happiness associated with meditative absorption.

 

Are you a regular on "The Truth About Hardcore Zen"?

[9th]

Are you a regular on "The Truth About Hardcore Zen"?

 

nope

[Cloudhand]

Cloudhand..could you share some information on which mecanisms make the sundisk appear and..disappear?

 

 

The best you can do is see Lucifer's Rising by Kenneth Anger you will get it or you won't. I am not sure if its on U tube, but you can get it at Mystic Fire Video. The proof is in pudding my friend. Move Slowly, Cloud

[Cloudhand]

The best you can do is see Lucifer's Rising by Kenneth Anger you will get it or you won't. I am not sure if its on U tube, but you can get it at Mystic Fire Video. The proof is in pudding my friend. Move Slowly, Cloud

 

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066019/ I all so found it here so you can see it http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710883728662460695#

Edited January 18, 2011 by Cloudhand

[Cloudhand]

This is the Vision and the Voice of the film maker, a rare interview with Anger the best magician of our time.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710883728662460695#docid=6341396037170242726

[deci belle]

Hardcore Zen and YouTube notwithstanding …shall we be moving right along…?

 

Apech originally said:

The discussion thread about the un-carved block set me thinking about the Eye of Horus. There is a debate as to whether spiritual work is about refining, forming, intending some purpose or how much it is just returning to a natural un-formed state. Or that is how I would express it.

 

 

Could we, pretty-please? …as I have this thing for the natural un-formed state!❤

Edited March 2, 2011 by deci belle

[Mark Foote]

[deci belle]

[Apech]

[Mark Foote]

"The word 'akh' as a verb means 'to be effective' and the 'akh' as an entity was seen as a

shining being who could come and go as it pleased. This means that the akh was not

impelled by the forces of the universe to follow a set path but had achieved a state of

freedom and ability to act in any situation." - Pyramid Text by Apech

 

I'm suggesting that the free movement of awareness that is experienced in waking up and falling asleep is the "akh". I'm also suggesting that we don't see this all the time because we are attached, averse, or ignorant of the sense of location associated with the movement of consciousness.

 

I would also say that action that is precipitated by the sense of location without the exercise of volition is action which occurs from a state of freedom (and is appropriate, regardless of situation); as Kobun Chino Otogawa said, "you know, sometimes zazen gets up and walks around."

 

When the sun is in the void, the sun is in its place (and moving?), even though it is unseen. I'll have to reread the text, about whether there is a death and rebirth involved- is a connection to the entirety of creation implied, during the passage thru the void? You'd think I'd remember these things.

 

Checking the text:

 

"By tuning in to, or joining the sun's journey through the Dwat the Egyptians

sought the same power of eternal rebirth that the sun had. They understood this to be the

key to immortality albeit in the spiritualized form called the 'akh'."

 

That's exactly my experience, by tuning into the sense of location of awareness even as I am falling asleep, I realize that my awareness moves, and when I tune in to that movement waking up I discover that this is a source of action beyond volition.

Edited March 7, 2011 by Mark Foote

[deci belle]

Perhaps "akh" implies readiness (to act). This is not a disposition. I have read in a taoist text that what is most wonderful is on the verge of action …as in consciousness of the movement of awareness upon awaking from and falling asleep. It is movement itself. Awareness is moving, so the shift is seamless? Is it a shift in location …is location the difference? Is the difference in terms of time?

 

So sleep is not a "thing" either? It is a shift? It is a movement. Don Juan Matus called it a shift in the assemblage point of a luminous being. For him too, the emphasis was on freedom, or more to the point, a feeling of fluidity, of equipoise, of readiness.

 

Chapter One of the Chuang Tzu is titled "Freedom".

 

Akh. To be effective. So this freedom is not for the sake of an ideal or a truth in the Greek, western philosophical sense— but the capacity to be ready to act on conditions without being constrained by conditions.

 

Haha! Akh-tion! haha!!

 

Mark Foote: "action that is precipitated by the sense of location without the exercise of volition is action which occurs from a state of freedom"

The proper effect of wu-wei in real-time… True spontaneity is non-kinetic movement. Non-karmic movement. Selflessness in akhtion.

 

I'm not saying knowing or not; just saying readiness on the verge is zazen sometimes gets up and walks around.

 

Spiritual immortality is akh's location?

 

Sensing potential …happens.

 

Gaps in terms of strategy are critical junctures; times occurring naturally requiring readiness to act effectively …freely. Gaps are voids. The time between sleeping and waking is such a gap, such a void, a vulnerability, an opportunity— a location.

 

Apech's "Things and the spaces between them".

haha! Edited March 12, 2011 by deci belle

[Mark Foote]

[Apech]

Yes, the placement of awareness can precipitate physical movement, and I've sought for a long time to pin down the particulars in words. It does have to do, I think, with falling asleep and waking up, and with the movement of breath and the cranial-sacral rhythm. It is possible to realize action out of the stretch of ligaments and fascial tissue, and the place of occurrence of consciousness can initiate action in this way as a part of the movement of breath. I think I only had this experience initially because I crossed a line into observing things that normally happen when I'm sleeping, awake; that's the way it seems to me.

 

 

 

 

Falling asleep and waking up ... yes, yes yes!

 

The akh appears in the akh-et ... the horizon ... the space between day and night .. the twilight of dawn and dusk that's where consciousness transforms from what the Egyptians called 'wn'-being to 'kheper'-being ... that is being as a kind of passive absorbtion in the void (wn) and being as a becoming/transforming shape shifting self (kheper).

 

Its a cycle of becoming and return. Night is sleep, day is wakefulness.

 

 

Decibelle,

 

Readiness to act ... yes also ... the akh is about a kind of total responsiveness and the ability to cross the boundaries ... fluidity perhaps ... readiness ... awareness ...

[deci belle]

Yes, to act perhaps out of context, yet in harmony with future as well as present and past events.

Mmmmmm!!

Edited March 20, 2011 by deci belle