Open Letter To Stigwerd

[gossamer]

Now THIS is the person who is supposed to be "healing me"..........

 

 

"That is what I meant by "Gossamer deserve his own karma pay back" a long time ago. He love to do crazy stuff with people on the forum, internet, so what he get in return is the same problem too. Can't you just see the pattern of karma running?

 

So let's say he is being attacked by black magic, what do you think he usually do to people he dislike?

 

 

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Mak Tin Si 麥天師 "

 

 

FUNNY. Real funny.

 

Ask David Screeton why he HACKED my book review here:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Aramaic-English-Test...3386&sr=8-8

 

 

You can read my comments right after Dave Bauscher's review.

 

David is A LIAR. His wife is A LIAR.

 

You guys bought into he and and his wife's LIES.

 

Oh well, believe whatever you will.

 

Take the money, and help Sean with the website. That would be my desire.

 

Mak Tin Si cannot "heal me" and say bad shit about me in the same sentence.

 

That doesn't make ONE BIT of sense to me at all!

 

I came here this morning with the INTENT of going along with this "healing".......and THEN I read Screeton's and Mak Tin Si's posts.

 

Mak Tin Si believes that I AM the problem.

 

Screeton, is of course, afraid that this "healing" will effect HIM (and his hacking and his negative magic) in some negative manner, that's why he DOESN'T REALLY IT WANT TO HAPPEN.......that's why he didn't want it to go on, when it was about to, when I wasn't here..........believe me or NOT, I don't really care.

 

David Screeton is bullshitting the whole bunch of you. Very, very SAD.

 

WHY can't you all 'see through' his bullshit?? Is your spiritual discernment really so very WEAK?

 

Gossamer

 

 

P.S. You guys SHOULD HAVE REALLY LISTENED to Paul Walter when he wrote THIS:

 

 

"..........So, in summary--I recognise goss' pain as something complex and real. Something has happened which people aren't acknowledging and are actually getting sick of hearing (remember it wasn't acknowledged as something that happened to him in whatever form so Goss would feel the injustice of it if his claims are true or even exaggerated by pain, and like me he seems to be at wits end trying to be heard). The 'accussed' party has a very deliberate engagement pattern on this forum which is almost too reasonable and too willing and pops up at oppurtune times. There is too much repeated reasonableness in goss' outraged postings to ignore. I hope i am wrong on all of this and that goss is making shit up about people or is paranoid-but hey so was Hemingway!......................................I have come to learn that if someone asks for help they need it on THEIR terms first or they won't change because the initial fear/defensiveness about being misunderstood/hurt again comes into play. Again, I HAD to write this because the whole forum was so disturbing to me. this is all to bring things to light NOT to keep the fight going. In the 'end' the solution will be the same as what people said in the 'beginning'--letting go and moving on however best one can..."

Edited March 18, 2009 by gossamer

[sunshine]

So far I stayed out of all of that... but let me say one thing at this point in time:

 

do yourself a favor and just go for it without looking for an excuse. Really. I have my trouble with Mr. Mak Tin Si, but hey: seemingly he has helped people already.

 

The idea of "karma" & "karmic outcome" is not a new one and belongs to his tradition. It counts for you as well as me as well as anyone else. I have done things wrong in earlier life times so I have to reap the benefits of it now.

 

No excuses. Go for it and hope it helps, honestly!

 

sincerely

 

Harry

[growant]

Gossamer,

 

My tendency is to believe you, at least in part, and I also believe you should go along with the healing- what have you got to lose? I believe Mak Tin Si will do his best to be 'professional' and help you, regardless of what he wrote about karma.

 

Also, I find in life, its best to keep one's eye on the endgame. What is more important to you?- stopping this drama that has been messing up your life for a long time or Mak Tin Si's opinion of the situation?

 

If I were you, I would do it, unless you have a better option, which it doesn't seem like you do.

[rodgerj]

Edited March 22, 2010 by rodgerj

[gossamer]

Me disrespecting Mak Tin Si?

 

It seems the other way around, to ME.

 

Furthermore, I've NOT been involved in magic since 2002.

 

And THEN it was becoming 'One' with the Spirit of ancient Britian, also known as "Albion".

 

But I I absolutely DO hate and despise David Screeton, and if he was destroyed tomorrow in a car wreck or whatever, I'd not lose even one minute of sleep!

 

In fact, instantly the world would become a BETTER PLACE, for MANY people, and NOT just FOR ME!!

 

I've NEVER cursed David, EVER, and I highly resent someone implying that I am involved with negative magic!

 

That this group CANNOT "see through" David's LIES, is utterly amazing to me.

 

There are one or two fearless people who seem to have 'clear vision' (spiritually) here, but they are the exception to the rule!

 

I've told you THE TRUTH, and it's not from being crazy, I just told you what's REALLY HAPPENED TO ME.

 

It's your CHOICE to believe me, or NOT. But I HAVE told you the TRUTH, the whole time.

 

gossamer

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mak Tin Si has proven his healing ability. Yoda's wife was healed after trying a ton of other stuff just by being added to the Lineage. The proof of the pudding is in the eating I guess. I can also attest that the results so far from my practice in stage one of Chi In Nature are very strong.

 

Many people here put there hands in their pockets for you Goss. If you were starving hungry and I invited you into my house to feed you only to be told 'I am not eating that!' Then it is not my fault if you starve. you cannot be forced to eat.

 

You accused people of causing you harm, then someone turns to help and you point a finger at them?

 

As bad as this all seems, if the trend continues and you move to another site accusing whoever of doing you wrong, I hope they can come here and see that you were taken in, accepted, people reached out and you rejected and insulted them all.

 

I truly hope you find peace and health. But do not disrespect Mak Tin Si.

 

Good Luck.

Edited March 18, 2009 by gossamer

[宁]

It's beginning to look like a bad soap-opera.

 

1. Don't feed the trolls

2. Trying to "save" guys like gossamer... it may have been an honorable task before, but now it's plain stupid. Let the itch heal by itself, scratching it will only spread it.

 

Appreciate your intent Stig, but for the sake of strawberry pie, let it be, man.

 

 

PS: Goss, you should check your head from time to time, try a specialist

[Taiji Bum]

 

But I I absolutely DO hate and despise David Screeton, and if he was destroyed tomorrow in a car wreck or whatever, I'd not lose even one minute of sleep!

 

gossamer

That was an angry, hate-filled statement that deserves an apology.

[TheWhiteRabbit]

Yes, angry hate filled statements... please dont do that.

 

But just because some lower entities heal someone DOESNT MEAN THEY ARE GOOD OR ARE A HEALER.

i heard some squeaking about this. barely subauidable.

 

If you need healing, varjasatva is a good healer!

 

Therea are some of us who have credentials UNLIKE some.

[contrivedname!]

hi gossamer

[TheWhiteRabbit]

Furthermore Real healers that are very effective like this charge $1000 to $2000!

$310 is just pennies. Though only a handful of people on this forum may be aware of that or even be exposed to that!

[contrivedname!]

Furthermore Real healers that are very effective like this charge $1000 to $2000!

$310 is just pennies. Though only a handful of people on this forum may be aware of that or even be exposed to that!

 

...(damn stigweard where do you get that guy rolling on the ground?)

[Smile]

Gos, are you addicted to being offended or hurt by others?

It seems like you are just waiting for a reason to continue to be in the state you are now.

It is your choice to accept the help from others, and Stig and others put so much effort to help you.

Yet you refuse help because a Daoist master said a few words about how he sees things.

Well, world is not perfect and unicorns and pink bunny rabbits are not going to cross my path very soon. And if they ever did, I will be calling Mak Tin SI for help myself.

 

You are not alone in this, but you can't be helped if you refuse it. Nor it productive to assign blame here. Just let all your old grudges go... wash them off your mind... let them go.

[Stigweard]

Hi Gossamer,

 

It is good to hear from you again

 

I truly understand how you are feeling my friend. If I was in your shoes I would be thinking and feeling exactly the same as you. I can see how there are some fairly large obstacles in the way of you feeling 100% happy with proceeding with the process we have started together.

 

On one hand we have Mak Tin Si whose manner may appear less than 'ideal' in comparison to our preconcieved ideas of what we think a healer should be like. And then we have David and his wife here displaying none of the malevant behaviour you hold to be true.

 

But just like I recently mentioned to a good friend we have the luxury here, due to the fact that we can take as long as we want before hitting the "Add Reply" button, of being able to present only the best of ourselves. Appearances after all can be very decieving and we all have the prevailing tendancy to believe in what we want to believe even if the bare truth is jumping up and down like a jack rabbit right in front of our noses.

 

Wihout being attached to any outcomes I would like to ask you a question if I may

 

Hypothetically, imagine just for a moment that you did in fact come to the point where you were 100% happy and enthusiastic to go ahead with our process. What would have had to take place for you to arrive at this 100% happy and enthusiastic place?

 

Most sincere and warm regards my good friend

[Mal]

Hi A,

 

Love to you my brother.

 

Hang in there. YOU CAN fix this

[TheWhiteRabbit]

Back in 2005 My girlfriend (now my wife) spent $1000 on an energy treatment called "Yandhi" Which is a form of emotional cleansing. It worked very well and resolved most of the issues she had from her past. She lost weight and even felt good about herself!

 

Jerry Alan Johnson would charge around $2000 for a medical chikung healing session, with expenses for travel tacked on.

 

Really these healers are more or less really covering most of their own expenses so that they can continue doing what they are doing. Far from living just an extravagent lifestyle there are herbal formulas and many other needed accesories that are needed to maintain the life they lead. Most are wounded healers at that.

 

You could rationalize that you shouldnt have to pay that much, but really all you would be doing is cheating yourself.

 

Okay enough jumping up and down...

[Mak_Tin_Si]

I am sorry, but I must clarify,

 

I did not charge for ANYTHNG for gosammer's healing. The $300 something amount is called "donation" which is for the temple and part of it goes to other charities or temple too.

 

Taoism never charge for anything, it's all donations. I never get anything from the donations like how healers you talked about did. Taoism temple is a place where we give help to those who needed for a very low amount which opens the door of taoism to all who suffer and need help. Yes you are right, $300 is very little, that is why I call it "donations" all the time. Not a cost. The healing is priceless.

 

I do not "SELL" or "CHARGE". I spread the tao.

[Aetherous]

But you wouldn't heal him without the donation.

 

At least where I live and in my culture, if you HAVE to pay money to get something, then you're being "sold" a product. Donations are when you can get it for free, but if you appreciate it, you give some money. But you don't have to! There's a big difference.

[YMWong]

But you wouldn't heal him without the donation.

 

At least where I live and in my culture, if you HAVE to pay money to get something, then you're being "sold" a product. Donations are when you can get it for free, but if you appreciate it, you give some money. But you don't have to! There's a big difference.

 

Needless to say, Scotty, the same stands true here in China with Chinese Culture

 

YM

[Aetherous]

Cool, I wasn't aware. No offense meant to any other culture by what I said, of course. Maybe it's a Canada thing?

[YMWong]

[Ryan T.]

I am sorry, but I must clarify,

 

I did not charge for ANYTHNG for gosammer's healing. The $300 something amount is called "donation" which is for the temple and part of it goes to other charities or temple too.

 

Taoism never charge for anything, it's all donations. I never get anything from the donations like how healers you talked about did. Taoism temple is a place where we give help to those who needed for a very low amount which opens the door of taoism to all who suffer and need help. Yes you are right, $300 is very little, that is why I call it "donations" all the time. Not a cost. The healing is priceless.

 

I do not "SELL" or "CHARGE". I spread the tao.

 

I am sorry to say this MTS but once again your words ring hollow.

 

It is not a donation. You set the price. That is where the $300+ came from to begin with. It's not like we got together and decided that $300 would be a good amount to "donate" to you in honor of your charity to Gossamer. You laid out very specific prices for your services. Otherwise, as far as I remember, you weren't going to help Gossamer.

 

If you would have done the healing without the money then it can be called a donation. Otherwise you are engaged in commerce.

 

There is nothing inherently wrong with selling goods and services. But please don't say that you aren't selling something. It just comes off as disingenuous and, IMO, it discredits other things you say that probably have a true depth and meaning!

[Mak_Tin_Si]

The $300 something was the given "minimum" amount of donation, you can donate more if you want. The minimum is calculated to ensure the effect does work due to karma balancing. If you are going to donate or one of the donors, I would be glad to hear from you.

 

The word donation in Taoism is actually an amount of money given to the temple as a support for the temple to run and help other people.

 

We do require people to give a specific amount of donations for each service as a "minimum" amount. If they like it, they can pay more to get more effect of course. Karma balances.

 

But you wouldn't heal him without the donation.

 

At least where I live and in my culture, if you HAVE to pay money to get something, then you're being "sold" a product. Donations are when you can get it for free, but if you appreciate it, you give some money. But you don't have to! There's a big difference.

[Ryan T.]

The $300 something was the given "minimum" amount of donation, you can donate more if you want. The minimum is calculated to ensure the effect does work due to karma balancing. If you are going to donate or one of the donors, I would be glad to hear from you.

 

Actually, if I remember correctly, you had it all priced out ala carte.

 

$50 for this and $50 for that. I don't remember specifics other than there was a specific charge for the "long distance" nature of the healing. Kind of reminds me of my cell phone bill.

 

You can call it what your will but you are charging for your services.

 

So if the Bums were able to put more money together the healing would work better? Stronger karmic rebalancing?

[Mak_Tin_Si]

The amount listed were just basic minimum amount. All people who request for the service here do recieve the same numbers too.

 

If you are the donors, you can always say "give me my money back" if you want. I did not force anybody to donate for him. Please talk to stingward if you do not like the idea. I have my way of doing things. Which cannot be changed, it is the rule of the temple here. Solidly in a building. not at home.

[Ryan T.]

The amount listed were just basic minimum amount. All people who request for the service here do recieve the same numbers too.

 

The basic minimum amount...otherwise no service/product is performed/given. The basic minimum amount that you would SELL your service or product for.

 

Again, there is nothing wrong with needing money for your temple and such. Things cost what they cost. And you SELL for a price.