Thoughts on Homosexuality

[Raise_hell30]

Thoughts on Homosexuality and the Tao.

Nothing insulting please, for that is rude and un-called for.

Say what you think taoism has to say about this.

[Long Yun]

This has probably been stated before in other posts I don't know what conventional Taoists would say about it, but I am of the opinion that there's nothing wrong with it. I think it may verge on unnatural and some have suggested that some sort of imbalance may be involved, but that's neither here nor there.

 

The fact is that homosexual people are homosexual because that's the way they feel, so who's to say that it's good or bad? It's just how they feel. Trying to live a heterosexual life would just make them lie to themselves and others, suppress their feelings, and create an overall negative outcome for everyone involved. So, it's just better to let their natural feeling take over instead of trying to lie to themselves about it. Nothing wrong with being gay. Not sure if it would really benefit them in an energetic sense, but nothing wrong about it.

 

And since the world population is at the breaking point or damn near close to it, I'd like to see some more homosexual couples. They're doing us a favor by keeping our species in check.

[markern]

Taoists tend to look to nature for answers to what is the way of the Tao no? Nature is full of homosexual animals. It is very frequent. Both just plain homosexual sex but also life long monogomous homosexual relationships.

 

It is also extreemly clear that most homosexuals are born that way. In part it is easy to see just by observing certain personality and energetic aspects prevalent amongst gay people. If you have any sort of gaydar you will know what I mean. These things are easily seen also amongst very young children. They are however often more prevalent when someone comes out of the closet but they then usualy explain that as finaly being able to be the way that is natural to them rather then making themselves more "manly" to apear straight. It is probably very unhealthy and energeticly counterproductive to contain oneself in such a way.

 

Research has also shown that the more older brothers one has the more likely one is to to be gay. In other words were taking genes here.

 

It is also a fact that by and large al though not always there is usualy one more active/masculine/yang person in the realtionship and one more passive/feminine/yin person in the relationship. Gay people no this very well themselves, have names for the types of personalities and relationship structures and will often make it clear what they are and that they seek the oposite in an online personal add for example.

 

I remember Mantak Chia saying that a portion of men that were more feminine and more emotional than normal would often have a more open front then back channel and had an easier time flowing the orbit up the front and down the back. I meet so many gay meen that have a more yin nature then many of my of my girlfriends. That leads one to specualte if during dual cultivation a more feminine gay man could easily, and healthily, play the yin role. Usualy yang gay men also have some sort of more pronounced feminine quality to them in addition but they are still usualy cleraly yang at least with regards to sexual polarity. Such things lead me to speculate that all the talk about gay relations being unhealthy because yang and yang don\t mix to just be the result of Taoists never actualy exploring this issue with open eyes and actualy having missed a complex part of the equation due to their own prejudice. Tosit manuals are highly inconsistent anyway were one deems something unhealthy and another beneficial. It should be enough to mention the disparity between those manuals clearly advocating onesided vampirism and those condeming this as unhealthy in the long term to make it clear that no taoist source can be taken as authoritive with regards to such issues without closer investigation and real life testing.

 

The taoist view that lesbian sex is healthy because yin and yin toghether do not conflict does not take into regard how extreemly yang many lesbian women are, especialy in the act of having sex itself. At a yoga retreat there was a lesbian couple were one of the women clearly was more masculine then all the present men combined. I have seldom seen anyone more filled with testosterone and exclusively yang without any yin then this woman. It seems more likely taoists did not understand the first thing about lesbian relationships but were describing the "bi-try" relationships between straight women so often seen today and so enjoyed by men. Men don`t watch porn with lesbians they watch porn with straigth women or at the very least highly yin/feminine lesbian women. There just ain`t any mutual use of genuine lesbian porn sites by straight men and gay women.

 

One scientific clue to wether the taoist were right would be to look at how long homosexual animals live compared to stragiht animals. But you would also have to look at the health aspects of homosexuals trying to surpress their urges and living all their lives with guilt and failed attempts at realtionships with the other sex as has been attempted so unsuccessfully so many times. I suspect no amount of dual cultivation in line with old manuals will be able to compensate for such detrimental effects to health.

[orb]

Taoists tend to look to nature for answers to what is the way of the Tao no? Nature is full of homosexual animals. It is very frequent. Both just plain homosexual sex but also life long monogomous homosexual relationships.

 

 

I would have to disagree with you on that one.

In nature homosexuality is an exception and usually is clearly associated with some radical deviation in the animal's way of life. The documented cases that you refer to occur mostly in detained conditions where the animals actually have lost their true identity as a wild and proud animal and became a victim of the regrettable abuse from the humans that virtually brainwashes the animal to the point of a total mental confusion. It's a very sad thing.

 

Also quoting Mantak Chia in this case is just as pathetic. The only time you could quote that guy is if we were discussing different methods of "jerking off" and you needed a BS taoist justification for it so that the wanker didn't feel so bad about himself.

 

Now wether it's right or wrong for human to be homos - I don't care - nor do I care what taoism or any other religion has to say about it. As long as they don't interfere with my life and my rights - to each his own.

 

But I do feel the need to post a scientific definition of "anus"

 

The anus is an opening at the opposite end of an animal's digestive tract from the mouth. Its function is to expel feces, unwanted semi-solid matter produced during digestion, which, depending on the type of animal, may be one or more of: matter which the animal cannot digest, such as bones; food material after all the nutrients have been extracted, for example cellulose or lignin; ingested matter which would be toxic if it remained in the digestive tract; and dead or excess gut bacteria and other endosymbionts.

[Taoist81]

I would have to disagree with you on that one.

In nature homosexuality is an exception and usually is clearly associated with some radical deviation in the animal's way of life. The documented cases that you refer to occur mostly in detained conditions where the animals actually have lost their true identity as a wild and proud animal and became a victim of the regrettable abuse from the humans that virtually brainwashes the animal to the point of a total mental confusion. It's a very sad thing.

 

Also quoting Mantak Chia in this case is just as pathetic. The only time you could quote that guy is if we were discussing different methods of "jerking off" and you needed a BS taoist justification for it so that the wanker didn't feel so bad about himself.

 

Now wether it's right or wrong for human to be homos - I don't care - nor do I care what taoism or any other religion has to say about it. As long as they don't interfere with my life and my rights - to each his own.

 

But I do feel the need to post a scientific definition of "anus"

 

The anus is an opening at the opposite end of an animal's digestive tract from the mouth. Its function is to expel feces, unwanted semi-solid matter produced during digestion, which, depending on the type of animal, may be one or more of: matter which the animal cannot digest, such as bones; food material after all the nutrients have been extracted, for example cellulose or lignin; ingested matter which would be toxic if it remained in the digestive tract; and dead or excess gut bacteria and other endosymbionts.

 

You need to do some reading. While there have been cases in zoos of homosexual animals they are far from the only examples. In nature, with people observing without interacting from a distance, many examples of homosexuality have been observed. The most notorious are the bonobos (who seem to be a completely bisexual species) but many other species have as well.

 

Oh, and homosexuality doesn't always involve the anus.

[dragonfire]

According to Taoists, there is nothing wrong with thinking about homosexuality.

It's natural to wonder and be curious once one is developing. Keep in mind that

sometimes, curiosity is meant more for imagination rather than direct

action. If you had all these curiosities or desires that come up and you

acted on them, it would mean a loss of self-control. Actions always

have some kind of repercussion whether positive or negative. If you

do it, you may develop instability and feel regret, shame, unbalanced, etc...

 

The fact is many homosexuals are imbalanced because of too

much Yang. Yang wants more yang and it is insatiable, eventually leading

to mental imbalance according to the Taoist teachings. This is the

same for lesbians as well. They actually have too much Yin and

not enough Yang, again imbalance grows.

 

This is not to say, the anus should not be massaged. For men, the

prostate is located there and frequent massages is necessary to keep

it healthy. There are many different exercises to keep it healthy

without requiring homosexual behavior. The joys of anal pleasure

do not need to be associated with homosexual behavior. Many heterosexual men

today becoming more open to anal play. You don't need to have desire

for a penis to enjoy anal stimulation.

 

I think most men eventually think about this question. It is very

natural and part of being human. Taoists are very practical and

this area is well addressed.

 

If you choose to engage in homosexual behavior, keep in mind that

ultimately, you will be imbalanced without yin. The best way to keep the balance

is also be with woman or find ways to get more Yin.

 

Genetics: Nature presents us with all sorts of variations. Some people

are by nature, gay. If you are born feeling a strong affinity towards

men, than you are probably gay. Its like some people are born

hermaphrodites. They are rare, but a genetic variation. What would

one tell this person who he/she should be in this case? I hope you

get the point and good luck.

 

The human life is struggle, and the key is balance in whatever you do.

[markern]

I would have to disagree with you on that one.

In nature homosexuality is an exception and usually is clearly associated with some radical deviation in the animal's way of life. The documented cases that you refer to occur mostly in detained conditions where the animals actually have lost their true identity as a wild and proud animal and became a victim of the regrettable abuse from the humans that virtually brainwashes the animal to the point of a total mental confusion. It's a very sad thing.

 

 

Not at all true. We had that debate throrughly in Norway related to an exhibition about homsexuality in nature and the scientists were unanimously clear that it is frequent and just as normal in the wild.

 

According to Taoists, there is nothing wrong with thinking about homosexuality.

It's natural to wonder and be curious once one is developing. Keep in mind that

sometimes, curiosity is meant more for imagination rather than direct

action. If you had all these curiosities or desires that come up and you

acted on them, it would mean a loss of self-control. Actions always

have some kind of repercussion whether positive or negative. If you

do it, you may develop instability and feel regret, shame, unbalanced, etc...

 

The fact is many homosexuals are imbalanced because of too

much Yang. Yang wants more yang and it is insatiable, eventually leading

to mental imbalance according to the Taoist teachings. This is the

same for lesbians as well. They actually have too much Yin and

not enough Yang, again imbalance grows.

 

This is not to say, the anus should not be massaged. For men, the

prostate is located there and frequent massages is necessary to keep

it healthy. There are many different exercises to keep it healthy

without requiring homosexual behavior. The joys of anal pleasure

do not need to be associated with homosexual behavior. Many heterosexual men

today becoming more open to anal play. You don't need to have desire

for a penis to enjoy anal stimulation.

 

I think most men eventually think about this question. It is very

natural and part of being human. Taoists are very practical and

this area is well addressed.

 

If you choose to engage in homosexual behavior, keep in mind that

ultimately, you will be imbalanced without yin. The best way to keep the balance

is also be with woman or find ways to get more Yin.

 

Genetics: Nature presents us with all sorts of variations. Some people

are by nature, gay. If you are born feeling a strong affinity towards

men, than you are probably gay. Its like some people are born

hermaphrodites. They are rare, but a genetic variation. What would

one tell this person who he/she should be in this case? I hope you

get the point and good luck.

 

The human life is struggle, and the key is balance in whatever you do.

 

 

I highly doubt many homosexuals suffer from too much yang. Too much yin would be more credible actualy.

 

 

Also quoting Mantak Chia in this case is just as pathetic. The only time you could quote that guy is if we were discussing different methods of "jerking off" and you needed a BS taoist justification for it so that the wanker didn't feel so bad about himself.

 

 

 

I am not quoting Mantak as an authority about homosexuality and taosim or any of the sort. What I am saying is that he has observed that a lot of men that are a good deal more feminine and emotionaly in tune show energetic patterns more typical of women. Considering the amount of students he has had his statistical base for saying that is extreemly solid. It was plain from what I wrote that that was the meaning so what is pathetic is not quoting Mantak but you don`t understanding that simple difference in use of quoting someone.

[Aetherous]

I have nothing against homosexuals, and have had a few friends who have been so...but I don't think it's a genetic thing. The way I see it, it's a learned behavior due to some imbalance or deep issue. Yes, I believe it's natural to be straight. Sorry if that offends anyone, but it's just what I've observed based on the behavior of most homosexuals (men and women).

[dragonfire]

I highly doubt many homosexuals suffer from too much yang. Too much yin would be more credible actualy.

 

Yin and Yang are not absolute. They are relative. It depends on what you are comparing.

Men are by nature Yang compared to Women. If you compare two different homosexual men, one may

be YIN (feminine) compared to the other Yang(masculine), however, they both are Yang, energetically (essence) speaking because everything in nature is energy manifestations of Yin and Yang. The Male who is Yin will exhibit extreme feminine behavior and the Male who is Yang will develop extreme Yang behavior when

combined. According to the Tao, neither one will ever be satisfied. They will always desire for more, thus

leading to the extreme and mental instability. This is why we see the one's that are feminine become more

extremely feminine. Because both are exchanging Yang essences, they further the extremity of

the personalities or roles they adopt. The morphing of mentality is furthered by society's

nonacceptance and prejudice of this behavior through one's possible guilt, alienation,

and confusion in identification.

 

You can be Yang in a Male-to-female relationship and then later engage in a male-to-male

relationship, making you possibly Yin or Yang depending on the other man. The man that

is more Yang or more strong in personality will play the dominant role. So if you are Yin with another man, you will become more feminine because that is your trait now. Even if they were to switch roles

playing dominant and submissive, they will always revert to the natural tendencies in the relationship. It does not change the essences exchanged. It is still Yang essences exchanged. Just like a man and woman may switch roles of dominance, it does not change the natural roles and tendencies. For a women

and man to switch roles, Yin and Yang essences are still exchanged, but for man and man, mostly yang essences are exchanged. Because both men are Yang energetically in nature, it will lead to imbalance mentally and physically.

[orb]

Not at all true. We had that debate throrughly in Norway related to an exhibition about homsexuality in nature and the scientists were unanimously clear that it is frequent and just as normal in the wild.

I highly doubt many homosexuals suffer from too much yang. Too much yin would be more credible actualy.

I am not quoting Mantak as an authority about homosexuality and taosim or any of the sort. What I am saying is that he has observed that a lot of men that are a good deal more feminine and emotionaly in tune show energetic patterns more typical of women. Considering the amount of students he has had his statistical base for saying that is extreemly solid. It was plain from what I wrote that that was the meaning so what is pathetic is not quoting Mantak but you don`t understanding that simple difference in use of quoting someone.

 

 

I don't know what you guys figured out in Norway but I got my own scientists that I talk to (in this case from Germany) studying wild life in Alaska - 1 month every year for the last 6 years - but that's not even the point I spent a lot of time in nature myself and never ever have I seen homosexuality manifested in normal conditions so maybe it's just the Norwegian animals that are more prone to having gay relationships.

 

As for Mantak Chia - I am against quoting that guy - because I don't consider him a valid authority to be quoted in Taoist matters. And the amount of students that he has - have nothing to do with it. Scientologists have a lot of followers too, so... ???

[dragonfire]

I don't know what you guys figured out in Norway but I got my own scientists that I talk to (in this case from Germany) studying wild life in Alaska - 1 month every year for the last 6 years - but that's not even the point I spent a lot of time in nature myself and never ever have I seen homosexuality manifested in normal conditions so maybe it's just the Norwegian animals that are more prone to having gay relationships.

 

As for Mantak Chia - I am against quoting that guy - because I don't consider him a valid authority to be quoted in Taoist matters. And the amount of students that he has - have nothing to do with it. Scientologists have a lot of followers too, so... ???

 

Behavior whether naturally inherent in one's personality or whether through learned does

not not mean it is healthy. You still need to balance out Yin and Yang essences. If

one chooses to engage in homosexuality, it is best to be bi-sexual, not purely homosexual.

[Lantsberger]

I think bringing this topic up is asking for a fight for the most part. Things have stayed mostly on the up and up so far.

 

I think people get way too hippie about Taoism as a do as you feel sort of philosophy, when actually there are volumes and volumes written about conservation of essence regardless of orientation.

[Taiji Bum]

Raise_hell30, are you homosexual? What are your thoughts?

[Sunya]

homosexual.. straight.. whats the difference? both are seeking pleasure through sexual stimulation. i don't see a difference.

[Seth Ananda]

David Attenbourogh (or however you spell his name ) did a great documentary on 'Gay' animals. I think its worth watching before saying anything like homosexuality is an exception in nature.

If I remember its called Homosexual Animals.

 

there are a few points. One is that any where over population in a community starts, Homosexuality increases. Natures way of slowing down breeding for population control.

Another is just for pleasure, The monkeys that are believed to be closest to us are rampantly Bisexual, with any monkey having multiple sexual encounters a day with members of both sexes. The Footage is hilarious! Monkey Orgy's quite literally- with oral, anal, vaginal, penile, digital, and even including food!!!

 

I Find the religious Idea that its wrong quite amusing, as a side diagram of a male and a female human body shows the rectum and the vagina to be pretty much the same shape with just the right angle - Just right for an erect penis that is. And gay men have Far lower issues with prostate health, due to the regular 'massage' they receive internally. Not to mention the prostate being a Major pleasure centre for a man. It seem's to me that God likes Anal sex or He wouldn't have made it all this way .

 

Biologically in some people there are differences. It has to do with how much testosterone the foetus gets or not.

For instance when a girl is at the stage when her attraction centres in her brain are forming, if she gets lots of testosterone from her mum she will develop a male attraction centre, and its round the opposite for gay men, with a small amount giving them a female attraction centre so that they are attracted to Men.

It goes even further if the testosterone condition remains, in that the entire brain structure will be that of the opposite sexes. Many gay men actually have a Woman's brain, with its inter hemisphere connections, Eye for detail, nesting instincts (interior design),multi tasking capacities and the attraction to men.

And Vice versa. Many Gay women, (often what we call Butch) have a Man's brain with its lack of inter hemisphere connections, ability to focus intensive on just one thing to the exclusion of all else. Drive and no ability to multi task. It is funny to think that many of these women are champions of the feminist movement, with there male brains.

 

Of course Many people are Bi. And many learned the behaviour as well. You cant ignore the child sexual abuse victim statistics in the gay community. Many were abused and surely that can have a role in a developing sense of sexual identity.

 

I know one boy who is 8 years old. His dad is a construction worker (a burly Male specimen) and seeing what a little queen his son was from about 3 caused him a lot of despair. He tried all kinds of things to de-gay him but to no avail and he has finally accepted it and fully supports him. All the little boy wanted to do was wear dresses, Do Ballet and he does and is great- and excessively hug other boys which sometimes gives him an erection, much to his dads embarrassment. He spends his time talking with the girls and gets infatuated over the boys. He also speaks with that sort of lisp that many gay people have. I found that really strange as I had thought that the way of speaking was probably developed within the gay community as some form of group Identity. Apparently not as he has had it since he could speak. I should add that he has No members of the gay community around him. quite the opposite really.

 

Enjoy.

[super80]

 

I know one boy who is 8 years old. His dad is a construction worker (a burly Male specimen) and seeing what a little queen his son was from about 3 caused him a lot of despair. He tried all kinds of things to de-gay him but to no avail and he has finally accepted it and fully supports him. All the little boy wanted to do was wear dresses, Do Ballet and he does and is great- and excessively hug other boys which sometimes gives him an erection, much to his dads embarrassment. He spends his time talking with the girls and gets infatuated over the boys. He also speaks with that sort of lisp that many gay people have. I found that really strange as I had thought that the way of speaking was probably developed within the gay community as some form of group Identity. Apparently not as he has had it since he could speak. I should add that he has No members of the gay community around him. quite the opposite really.

 

Enjoy.

 

 

What you describe here sounds like gender identity disorder

[Apech]

 

I know one boy who is 8 years old. His dad is a construction worker (a burly Male specimen) and seeing what a little queen his son was from about 3 caused him a lot of despair. He tried all kinds of things to de-gay him but to no avail and he has finally accepted it and fully supports him. All the little boy wanted to do was wear dresses, Do Ballet and he does and is great- and excessively hug other boys which sometimes gives him an erection, much to his dads embarrassment. He spends his time talking with the girls and gets infatuated over the boys. He also speaks with that sort of lisp that many gay people have. I found that really strange as I had thought that the way of speaking was probably developed within the gay community as some form of group Identity. Apparently not as he has had it since he could speak. I should add that he has No members of the gay community around him. quite the opposite really.

 

Enjoy.

 

 

Seth,

 

Than story conjures up the most amazing images. So great that the dad supports his little boy. Surely this is what its all about - deal with the individual ... with love and not judgement. The rewards are enormous.

 

I have no idea what the official Daoist view on homosexuality is but I know the traditional Buddhist view is not very right on. I think that any way that condemns some people for this kind of thing is probably culturally based (mostly medieval) and not at the heart of mysticism - which in its heart deals with the reality of individual consciousness and not through a set of rules or whatever.

 

I'm not sure if it matters whether animals do it too. Even if they didn't would we be entitled to stand in judgement?

 

A.

[aoc924]

 

Now wether it's right or wrong for human to be homos - I don't care - nor do I care what taoism or any other religion has to say about it. As long as they don't interfere with my life and my rights - to each his own.

 

What's "interfering" with your rights? Holding hands? Kissing? Marrying? Are you just as concerned with straight people "interfering" with your rights?

 

 

But I do feel the need to post a scientific definition of "anus"

 

The anus is an opening at the opposite end of an animal's digestive tract from the mouth. Its function is to expel feces, unwanted semi-solid matter produced during digestion, which, depending on the type of animal, may be one or more of: matter which the animal cannot digest, such as bones; food material after all the nutrients have been extracted, for example cellulose or lignin; ingested matter which would be toxic if it remained in the digestive tract; and dead or excess gut bacteria and other endosymbionts.

 

If you want to play this card, lets look at the vagina. Vaginal intercourse is meant for inseminating the female egg with male sperm. So is having sex with a condom or with a woman on birth control unnatural? Your logic would seem to say yes.

[VCraigP]

I think that any way that condemns some people for this kind of thing is probably culturally based (mostly medieval) and not at the heart of mysticism - which in its heart deals with the reality of individual consciousness and not through a set of rules or whatever.

 

 

This simple comment cuts to the heart of the matter IMO.

 

So much cultural baggage here.

 

Going deeper into cultivation, cultural baggage is left at the side of the road.

 

Jing Qi Shen, Balance and Harmony, and so on.

 

What is important.

 

who are you. Where are you? Where did you come from, where are you going. What is your internal environment, what is your external environment? How do you integrate?

 

And other questions...

 

Craig

[markern]

David Attenbourogh (or however you spell his name ) did a great documentary on 'Gay' animals. I think its worth watching before saying anything like homosexuality is an exception in nature.

If I remember its called Homosexual Animals.

 

there are a few points. One is that any where over population in a community starts, Homosexuality increases. Natures way of slowing down breeding for population control.

Another is just for pleasure, The monkeys that are believed to be closest to us are rampantly Bisexual, with any monkey having multiple sexual encounters a day with members of both sexes. The Footage is hilarious! Monkey Orgy's quite literally- with oral, anal, vaginal, penile, digital, and even including food!!!

 

I Find the religious Idea that its wrong quite amusing, as a side diagram of a male and a female human body shows the rectum and the vagina to be pretty much the same shape with just the right angle - Just right for an erect penis that is. And gay men have Far lower issues with prostate health, due to the regular 'massage' they receive internally. Not to mention the prostate being a Major pleasure centre for a man. It seem's to me that God likes Anal sex or He wouldn't have made it all this way .

 

Biologically in some people there are differences. It has to do with how much testosterone the foetus gets or not.

For instance when a girl is at the stage when her attraction centres in her brain are forming, if she gets lots of testosterone from her mum she will develop a male attraction centre, and its round the opposite for gay men, with a small amount giving them a female attraction centre so that they are attracted to Men.

It goes even further if the testosterone condition remains, in that the entire brain structure will be that of the opposite sexes. Many gay men actually have a Woman's brain, with its inter hemisphere connections, Eye for detail, nesting instincts (interior design),multi tasking capacities and the attraction to men.

And Vice versa. Many Gay women, (often what we call Butch) have a Man's brain with its lack of inter hemisphere connections, ability to focus intensive on just one thing to the exclusion of all else. Drive and no ability to multi task. It is funny to think that many of these women are champions of the feminist movement, with there male brains.

 

Of course Many people are Bi. And many learned the behaviour as well. You cant ignore the child sexual abuse victim statistics in the gay community. Many were abused and surely that can have a role in a developing sense of sexual identity.

 

I know one boy who is 8 years old. His dad is a construction worker (a burly Male specimen) and seeing what a little queen his son was from about 3 caused him a lot of despair. He tried all kinds of things to de-gay him but to no avail and he has finally accepted it and fully supports him. All the little boy wanted to do was wear dresses, Do Ballet and he does and is great- and excessively hug other boys which sometimes gives him an erection, much to his dads embarrassment. He spends his time talking with the girls and gets infatuated over the boys. He also speaks with that sort of lisp that many gay people have. I found that really strange as I had thought that the way of speaking was probably developed within the gay community as some form of group Identity. Apparently not as he has had it since he could speak. I should add that he has No members of the gay community around him. quite the opposite really.

 

Enjoy.

 

 

Perfectly said and scientificly well backed up. The fact that gay mean have attraction centers and other brain centers identical to women should complicate the simplistic taoist view of yin yang balance during intercourse. The reality is probably that there is a whole lot of complexity with this concerning gay mean and that the energetic interplay is not at all understood (and certainly not investigated without bias) by taoist.

[NorthWide]

This used to bother me the whole homosexuality thing.

 

Now I just see man, woman, blur car, red car yellow car.

When one opens up and realizes the higher energies deal with compassion it releases the lower energies you generally feel before.

 

Metta

[WhiteTiger]

This used to bother me the whole homosexuality thing.

 

Now I just see man, woman, blur car, red car yellow car.

When one opens up and realizes the higher energies deal with compassion it releases the lower energies you generally feel before.

 

Metta

 

HAHA your using the closing sign Metta a sure way to stop me from bothering you... Although do you sincerely mean it? I'm seriously interested to know? Have you practiced Metta Sutta? (just communicating. Because you said Metta my personal actions, other then attempting to communicate, will be of no harm if one sincerely means it)

 

Yeah... my actions with communicating may be annoying... for that I'm sorry for and i may also be suffering because I'm indirectly attacking you through words. (Indirectly as in, I'm not trying to with the words i use but I fail to sincerely do it well enough which is how I'm also suffering at the same time.)

Edited March 26, 2009 by WhiteTiger

[NorthWide]

I wish everyone well, without enmity, and that they be happy.

Just like my loved ones.

I admit, I have recently been practicing it, it came recommended, also I was open to the concept.

 

loving kindness,

rabbit

Edited March 26, 2009 by TheWhiteRabbit

[markern]

I am seriously looking forward to soemone coming up with a qigong sequence to turn gay people straight. That would be the natural consequence of what some people here say, and if they are right on the cause of homsexuality being an energetic imbalance the right sequence should do it.

[Taoist81]

This was on MSN this morning and seemed notable here:

http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/art...6&gt1=32023