A Message From the Hopi Elders

[Guest winpro07]

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Edited April 19, 2009 by winpro07

[Sunya]

you said, in the Kunlun thread,

 

There is very little time left to accomplish this in, very little

 

I guess this is what you meant? do you have any other sources for this impending Armageddon?

 

do you realize that basically every generation throughout history thinks that the world will end soon?

[markern]

Is it realy the Hopi elders (whoever that would be) saying this or just a few Hopi teachers claiming to speak for the Hopis? I ask this because I have seen south and north american indian teachers claiming all sorts of absurd stuff that their tribes and more conventional spiritual teachers do not agree with. I think many indian teachers are either just saying what New Age people want to hear or are quite confused themselves. I am not saying it is not the case that someone that can be considered genuine Hopi elders actualy say this but I would definitively check my sources

[Desert Eagle]

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[Owledge]

The whole thing with the drastic changes is so huge and confusing that I wish we could examine it like scientists, just with solid facts, you know ... leaving out all vagueness. I do a lot of research and wish I had much more time ( or were able to read faster ), but I haven't found the time yet to research the information that can be describes by terms like "Planet X", "2012" and "reptilians".

 

I think I'm an info junkie. A webhamster.

 

What I occasionally think is that if earth is about to be flushed down the toilet or something like that, this might be supported by people who believe in it. Power of belief ... shaping our future reality. Maybe it's simply an option, and we determine if we want to summon it. Hard to explain is so few words. I think it's safe to go by the motto "Don't panic!".

[Wayfarer64]

There was (IS) a wonderful movie made with Phillip Glass' music called Kyanoskotski- A Hopi word (-& not the right spelling I'm sure )- or "Life out of Balance"... If this is the time to bring us back into balance I will continue to do as I have been doing day by day trying to address the lack of harmony and imbalance I find along the way I trod....

 

Love to all- Pat

[Unconditioned]

you said, in the Kunlun thread,

I guess this is what you meant? do you have any other sources for this impending Armageddon?

 

do you realize that basically every generation throughout history thinks that the world will end soon?

 

 

Who said anything about Armageddon?

 

I read it as great change, not the end of the world.

 

What I occasionally think is that if earth is about to be flushed down the toilet or something like that, this might be supported by people who believe in it. Power of belief ... shaping our future reality. Maybe it's simply an option, and we determine if we want to summon it. Hard to explain is so few words. I think it's safe to go by the motto "Don't panic!".

 

There is a chance that it all becomes a self fulfilled prophecy, and if it is, then so it goes!

[goldisheavy]

Beautiful message. I salute the Hopi Elders.

[Guest winpro07]

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Edited April 19, 2009 by winpro07

[TheWhiteRabbit]

Yes, send my best and thanks to the Hopi Elders.

 

Winpro, I take this to mean remaining in the "now", is this correct?

 

As background information, as I understand it the Hopi language does not carry the concept of time. In fact they were very in tune with the "no time" of the spirit world. Or at least this is how I understand it.

 

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/...1/Hopi-language

 

So since you speak of 11th hour and hopi is based upon communicating in duration, othrwise a specific time tends to convey distance, could we say that this is a long period of time that is to be and to prepare ourselves...?

Or is it a period where tthings will be hard to reach?

 

Much is lost when one does not fully understand ones friend's language.

Edited April 17, 2009 by TheWhiteRabbit

[Guest winpro07]

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Edited April 19, 2009 by winpro07

[Eric23]

Is it realy the Hopi elders (whoever that would be) saying this or just a few Hopi teachers claiming to speak for the Hopis? I ask this because I have seen south and north american indian teachers claiming all sorts of absurd stuff that their tribes and more conventional spiritual teachers do not agree with. I think many indian teachers are either just saying what New Age people want to hear or are quite confused themselves. I am not saying it is not the case that someone that can be considered genuine Hopi elders actualy say this but I would definitively check my sources

 

I grew up in rural Arizona and still live here. One of my boyhood friend's father was with the Bureau of Indian Affairs on the Hopi reservation. He was able to get us admission to a snake dance on the Second Mesa. Although I was only 14 at the time it was very impressive seeing the elders reaching into pits and pulling out rattlesnakes. During the same trip we hung out with some of the Hopi kids and they are genuinely kind and peaceful people. During high school I had the fortune of having a Hopi friend as a track team mate. Again he was a quiet, peaceful young man. All of the tribes and reservations in the US have a number of serious problems and the Hopi are no exception. However from what I have seen and experienced over the years, the Hopis that stay home seem to do better than the others. Many of the tribes were forcefully moved out of their homelands onto the reservations while the Hopis have always lived on the three mesas. The Hopis have a rich shamanic tradition dating back to the ancient Anasazi people. There are Hopi elders, they are real. A few years ago at work we had a contract to do aerial photography over the Hopi communities. There were 2 villages that we had to give advance notice before the photography so the elders could invoke a protection against the photos stealing the souls of the residents.

 

You do have a point about the New Age crowd being attracted to many Native American traditions and questioning their validity. However I believe the Hopis have held on to their traditions and that they are the real deal. One thing did stand out to me when reading the original post was the address. Oraibi was changed to Kykotsmovi a number of years ago (one of the villages we had to notify prior to aerial photography) making this message rather old.

[Owledge]

The veils are getting quite thin. Becoming fearless is now paramount

What is it that is veiled?

 

A few years ago at work we had a contract to do aerial photography over the Hopi communities. There were 2 villages that we had to give advance notice before the photography so the elders could invoke a protection against the photos stealing the souls of the residents.

I started a thread about this topic:

http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=9733

[markern]

I grew up in rural Arizona and still live here. One of my boyhood friend's father was with the Bureau of Indian Affairs on the Hopi reservation. He was able to get us admission to a snake dance on the Second Mesa. Although I was only 14 at the time it was very impressive seeing the elders reaching into pits and pulling out rattlesnakes. During the same trip we hung out with some of the Hopi kids and they are genuinely kind and peaceful people. During high school I had the fortune of having a Hopi friend as a track team mate. Again he was a quiet, peaceful young man. All of the tribes and reservations in the US have a number of serious problems and the Hopi are no exception. However from what I have seen and experienced over the years, the Hopis that stay home seem to do better than the others. Many of the tribes were forcefully moved out of their homelands onto the reservations while the Hopis have always lived on the three mesas. The Hopis have a rich shamanic tradition dating back to the ancient Anasazi people. There are Hopi elders, they are real. A few years ago at work we had a contract to do aerial photography over the Hopi communities. There were 2 villages that we had to give advance notice before the photography so the elders could invoke a protection against the photos stealing the souls of the residents.

 

You do have a point about the New Age crowd being attracted to many Native American traditions and questioning their validity. However I believe the Hopis have held on to their traditions and that they are the real deal. One thing did stand out to me when reading the original post was the address. Oraibi was changed to Kykotsmovi a number of years ago (one of the villages we had to notify prior to aerial photography) making this message rather old.

 

I am sure the Hopis have preserved their traditions well and the Hopi elders are wise old Shamans but untill someone shows me evidence that someone that the Hopis themselves would characterise as the Hopi elders or Hopi Shamans with authority I am extreemly sceptical of something like that having been said at all. The reason is that I read a lot of prophecies supposedly given by Hopis, some south american indians and some african tribes. I googled the claims a bit and found that the south american claims came from a guy that had no authority within his tradition and was basicly a flaky maverick saying exactly what new age people wanted to hear. When I looked at the Hopi stuff I found some of the same combined with complete disagremment about what the Hopis actualy were saying. Same thing with the africans. In general the new age are expert at making what they themselves wish or feel to be true facts, and they rarely if ever check anyting out with rigor or scrutiny. Combine that with how infromation changes content when passed from one person to the next and then to others, specialy online, and you have a whole range of belives and claims about what indians and other tribes people say about this or that. By the way I also came a cross a guy claiming to be a north american indian shaman teaching indian tantra that turned out not to be an indian and teaching his own self invented sexual teachings. This has not stopped his teachings being widely redistributed by people as genuine north american indian sexual teachings. So when claims are made about stuff like this I either see sources for the claims or presume it is more likely new age fluff then true.

[Eric23]

You are correct in being wary of the way native traditions are being bastardized by both new agers and some natives themselves. In fact when I read the post in question my first reaction was "Oraibi?, it was renamed years ago, either this is rather dated or it's fake." The point I was trying to make is that of all the Native American traditions and communities, the Hopi have in fact preserved theirs better than most. That is largely the result of the elders' persistent vigilance. A good point in fact is that the elders fought hard and kept the tribe from building a casino. Every other tribe in Arizona and the southwest are building casinos and bringing in loads of money, but the Hopis have resisted. I don't know if the message was from the Hopi elders or not, just wanted to point out from my observations and experience that there are in fact genuine Hopi elders practicing their ancient traditions.