death,blood and chi

[Guest paul walter]

This may be a bit macabre but I have been thinking on this for a few weeks and would like some input. A month ago my sisters friend was involved in a horrific car accident in which he lost his mother and 4 year old daughter-other serious injuries were sustained by him and his other daughter. Out of this I have been musing about karma and the afterlife with various confusions arising. If you have any info on the following issues that would be very helpful:

 

:If one dies of blood loss ( chi being connected to blood in our bodies) does it mean the person would be less likely to 'attain' the level of the afterlife to which they have been 'working' towards in this life? Does the chi leak out and create a blank slate type of effect? Does the loss of this type of chi affect the post-death reserve of chi that is needed in order to get somewhere in our evolutions?

 

:When masters make the choice to end their lives by stopping their vital functions and peacefully shaking off their mortal coil is this 'suicide', would it be karmically ordained, or is it the transcendence of the limitations of all those terms and the masters' creating of their own 'reality' beyond our limited understanding ?

 

 

I hope this is clear enough. I have had dozens more thoughts come up from what has happened but knowing the variety of responses possible don't want to drive myself or anyone else crazy with more possible complications/interpretations. If you reply try to keep the answers direct and relevant or I will probably get very lost and confused---thankyou all.

[Yoda]

Paul,

 

I haven't the foggiest idea but I like to think that everything works out for the best in the end. You might research NDEs... the accounts of car accident transition stories seem to work out fine. If you feel inspired to do something for them, I'm sure there are lots of traditional ways to help out. Mak Tin Si and Shontonga come to mind as specialists in this sort of thing.

 

Your pal,

Yoda

[TheWhiteRabbit]

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Edited July 7, 2010 by TheWhiteRabbit

[Mak_Tin_Si]

#1 ) When people die, no matter what method, chi have nothing to do with them anymore. What goes with them is their karma credits and their souls. (Ling Wun 靈魂) only.

 

#2 ) No masters will end their life like how you describe, unless they are crazy. masters are suppose to have a enjoyable life and a peaceful way to go. Those who trained and got high in the trianing will ascend by meditating and have their souls left the body which they don't even care about it anymore because they can travel to another place with the souls already, not even needing the physical body.

 

Some taoist can experience this too even in their trianing. They can have their souls go out to travel to other diemensions such as heaven and hell. But they need to go back to the body because they know they cannot travel on and on like this, their souls are not trained enough.

[TheWhiteRabbit]

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[Guest paul walter]

Connection to higher vibration especially that of the void or wuji, or higher planes of existence, though few find or learn the path is one way to limit oneself from the energy problems involved with death.

 

Since most of us return and return many times, the oversoul (Yuan Shen) which is a part of us that is difficult to describe and is our true self, takes over. We innately go through our connections with other spirits which we had previously known and make agreements or contracts for the next life regarding issues and things we have left to learn before finally achieving the aforementioned path.

 

If we are not ready for it there are many obsticles that come up that impede us from achieving this goal, and are spiritual signs that we are not ready, or are on the wrong path.

 

Hope that answers your questions, if not my wife (who is a trained and certified medium) and I can hold a seance to speak with your dead loved ones to find out more information about how they are currently doing. Dont hold me to this, because I havnt asked her yet but it is most likely she will. The cost: free.

 

 

 

First thankyou for offering-I don't know these people myself and would be hesitant to ask my sister if this could be done for her and others involved as they would simply think it's completely crazy stuff. Thank your wife too and I hope you both retain enough time/energy for yourselves each day as I know you at least are under some stress.

 

So- another problem I have is comprehending the difference between the 'soul' which seems to hang around as an entity in the afterlife, and the re-incarnating aspect of a person. What happens when a being re-incarnates into another body as opposed to them being a ghost. For a young child to die this way what would they have 'done' to have this happen-or are they some form of 'collatoral damage' which doesn't have consequence because their souls haven't formed yet (at age seven as is believed). What makes ghosts unable to transform into things......will stop. paul

[Guest paul walter]

[quote name='Mak_Tin_Si' date='Apr 16 2009, 11:20 AM' post='116446']

#1 ) When people die, no matter what method, chi have nothing to do with them anymore. What goes with them is their karma credits and their souls. (Ling Wun 靈魂) only.

 

 

Ok that seems straightforward.

 

 

 

 

 

#2 ) No masters will end their life like how you describe, unless they are crazy. masters are suppose to have a enjoyable life and a peaceful way to go. Those who trained and got high in the trianing will ascend by meditating and have their souls left the body which they don't even care about it anymore because they can travel to another place with the souls already, not even needing the physical body.

 

 

ok so that is what I have heard-they leave the body willingly, in control. I used the term suicide in a way suggesting that they take their earthly life consciously, it wasn't a "description".

[TheWhiteRabbit]

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[TheWhiteRabbit]

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[Guest paul walter]

Okay here it goes.

 

I will add an additional analogy.

I wont cover exceptions to this quite yet.

Generally our souls (Yuan Shen) are like people who drive cars.

Our cars are like the physical body.

You can fine tune a car but eventually, and in most cases the car has wear and tear on it and eventually breaks down and dies. Then we leave for a time, enter the spirit world, then go and depending upon what we wish to learn, choose the next body.

 

ok, yep.

 

It has been my experience that soul migrate generally in groups, soul groups being very large with many hundreds possibly of souls. The experiences of communicating with dead ones has led me to this conclusion. So you may be a father one lifetime and the next your kids could be your parents, after you all pass and do Kou Tai. Bizarre huh?

 

 

How did your experiences come to this conclusion and what is a 'group' made up of? Why do you think this is the chosen structure of post earth migration? Actually the flux I feel in life would accomodate the possibility of your kids becoming your parents etc very naturally-all very 'paradox' related which is much more logical to me. Even in the earthly realm most kids should be their parents' teachers for starters ...he he

 

 

During this time, in the spirit world we spend relaxing and studying with other spirits we know/knew and learning and making arrangement preparing for the next life.

 

How would this work? Do you do homework 'there' and test it out 'here' or is there a complete chance element to it where you don't know what cards you'll get dealt in the next life and the best laid plans of mice and men....? Do you think there is a part of us (the real, conscious part we tend to ignore everyday in every way that has the 'code' that was worked on in the last life) that knows all that will happen or is possible in this life because of the 'study' that went on, but is submerged by material concerns? As you can see questions, questions....I feel like a kid in a toyshop tugging at your leg...

Pre-Mao era Chinese recorded names but did not speak the names of the dead, because this draws their awarness back to this reality and can drain energy. Native Americans who are traditional also likewise do not speak the names of the dead. They love them so they let them go. Which makes me always wonder, are natives the Shamanic Wu that left China thousands of years ago?Generally I found that the time it takes for a soul before it does Kou Tai (enters the body of the unborn fetus) is generally several years to as many as over a hundred years. I have not come in contact with any spirits that have told me that they decided to instantly enter another body after dieing.

 

And 'heaven' and 'hell' concepts? Do they get to loll around or are they suffering or is to learn from your mistakes heaven and hell at the same time do you think?

 

As for the spirit attaching to the embryo, the spirt sometimes leaves and comes back to the mother while still attached. Spirits are more free flowing and active at this stage. This my wife has experienced many times being around pregant mothers and her sister when she was pregnant.

In simple terms we all leave behind energy imprints and karmic traces of our existence as time goes on. people who were angry who lived in a house and then since moved leave behind that emotional garbage at that place. Strong memories can induce similar phenomena that are not actual spirits themselves but exist as a type of residual energy. There are many different ways that this manifests itself.

 

So would our humanistic understanding/perceptions of the afterlife simply be a manifestation of our earthly limitations in understanding? Could spirits have infinite dimensions/manifestations of which we can only comprehend the humanist, narrative driven ones (such as the idea of a life:birth, life,death) because we project ourselves onto everything in the universe?

 

So for example I was a Jesuit last life, and was possibly influenced by asian culture last life time. I dont know when this was but I just know there was some type of famine that happened and not many had food to eat. Mightve been around 1901 when I died. I like to think I ate only few days to give hungry people who had not a bite to eat in a long time food to eat. At that, i had severe stomach pains and an unexplainable digestive disease when i was young. I think a past life regression is in order.

 

 

Hope that answers all your questions.You wish ...ha ha

 

As for exceptions, some texts speak of people who have accrued enough good deeds, compassion and been able to raise their vibration highenough to accrue more yang energy (the two concepts are related) thus ideally creating the situation where one has enough awareness and energy to become aware of all facets of matter and energy so that they get to keep their physical body by being able to transfer matter to zero point and back.

 

I use the term zero point because once something becomes light or of a higher vibration of photonic or zero point energy it follows the rules of quantum mechanics which states that light does not necessarily have to travel but can warp through the mesh of space to another location in the universe without traversing the distance. Thus high level metaphysics does not follow the rules of just plain physics which is newtonian and in general conflict with quantum physics. Quantum physics is not taught in High School, and there have been no efforts to do so.

 

Some research along these lines should point to these conclusions. So what makes that possible?

Could it be that because the photons are so small, that they tend to phase in and out of our exisentce and travel fast because there is hardly any matter to collide with(besides the electron jumping)? It is a curious idea, however quantum theory now seems to support this idea supremely well, it may not be some time before we truely understand why.

 

 

I feel this much more to be the truth than so many theories I have encountered that don't take the 'science' into consideration about karma/re-incarnation/transcendence. Although funny how every New-ager has popularised these theories now and think that this process is as easy as thinking good thoughts in order to overcome 'negative' karma and become a light being or what have you...Thanks WR

[TheWhiteRabbit]

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[Guest paul walter]

So onwards to another thing coming out of this.

 

Why were the ninja,samurai, Shaolin monks etc willing to kill and give up their lives for earthly concerns readily (power)? Did they know something about the afterlife we don't or were they fanatics who signed a contract no matter what the cost? 'Our' rulers kill with impunity and have knowledge of the occult-does this perhaps mean that they feel or know that if your intent does not register a 'guilty' feeling (which it seems they don't have) you are off the hook and will not take your bad feelings with you? Is it like just accepting life and death as pure transferences of energy so that moral issues are seen as things made up for suckers and proles in order to keep them in line (though shalt not kill)? Any thoughts anyone-I know it's a bit unfocused, but so is my thinking on the topic . Paul

[TheWhiteRabbit]

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[Yoda]

Why were the ninja,samurai, Shaolin monks etc willing to kill and give up their lives for earthly concerns readily (power)? Did they know something about the afterlife we don't or were they fanatics who signed a contract no matter what the cost? 'Our' rulers kill with impunity and have knowledge of the occult-does this perhaps mean that they feel or know that if your intent does not register a 'guilty' feeling (which it seems they don't have) you are off the hook and will not take your bad feelings with you? Is it like just accepting life and death as pure transferences of energy so that moral issues are seen as things made up for suckers and proles in order to keep them in line (though shalt not kill)? Any thoughts anyone-I know it's a bit unfocused, but so is my thinking on the topic . Paul

 

 

Wasn't there a story where the Buddha killed someone in a previous incarnation to prevent their doing greater evil? On a ship or something.

 

Even with all the complexities, the whole situation is like playing Clue... Colonel Mustard, candle stick, kitchen... and then we open up the envelope at the end of our lives and see how we did!!

[TheWhiteRabbit]

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Edited July 7, 2010 by TheWhiteRabbit